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Former cy Young awarrd winner Bob Welch passes away at 57.

Bob Welch, former Cy winner, has passed away at 57, #Athletics announce. Last night in Seal Beach, CA, cause of death unavailable

The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:48 PM | 71 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. winnipegwhip Posted: June 10, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4722724)
The conclusion of Game 2 - 1978 World Series was one of the greatest tv sports moment I ever witnessed of my youthful years.

RIP
   2. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: June 10, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4722726)
Of course Clemens should've gotten that Cy Young in 1990, but he has seven others (including one that should've gone to Mussina), so I doubt he's too torn up, and 27 wins - junk stat or no - is a sparkling total. I'd never really looked at his numbers until now - that was a really strong run from 1983 to 1990 (excepting the dip in '84): 1729.2 innings, 118 ERA+, 125-74.
   3. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4722735)
Article on MLB.com says cause of death was a heart attack. RIP.
   4. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:07 PM (#4722742)
Junk stat or no, 27 wins in a season was gob-smackingly mind-blowing to me as a 12 year-old.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4722743)
Ditto [1].
   6. Batman Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4722751)
Junk stat or no, 27 wins in a season was gob-smackingly mind-blowing to me as a 12 year-old.
Me too, as a now-39-year-old. Nobody else has had over 25 in my life.
   7. jayjay Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4722752)
Now both Bob Welchs are gone. R.I.P.
   8. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4722753)
Imagine someone winning 27 games now that we have fantasy baseball. We'd never hear the end of it from anyone with Welch on his team.
   9. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4722755)
Now both Bob Welchs are gone. R.I.P.

My friend is a rock-n-roll fan first and baseball fan second. When I told him Bob Welch had just passed, he was very confused.
   10. Publius Publicola Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4722761)
Didn't Welch have alcohol issues? Regardless- RIP.
   11. BochysFingers Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4722763)
Junk stat or no, 27 wins in a season was gob-smackingly mind-blowing to me as a 12 year-old.

And the most anybody earned in one year in my time on Earth (closing in on 44). While he didn't deserve the Cy, it's hard not to be impressed by that.
   12. ursus arctos Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4722765)
Nice piece by Jon Weisman

57 is too early. RIP
   13. winnipegwhip Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4722766)
#7 Not all of them are gone...

http://www.springfieldbraves.ca/Over_40/Pictures/Fisher Branch/2011/2011 Fisher Branch Champs.jpg

Back row. Spelling is different but pronounced the same and he is a pitcher
   14. dr. scott Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4722780)
According to the SS life expectancy calendar he got robbed of 25 years. According to the same calendar i have 39 to go... seems like a lot till I realize that i frittered away 39 years quite easily already. RIP.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4722787)
Didn't Welch have alcohol issues?


Yeah, he was a very serious alcoholic for a while, but he did the 12-step thing and learned how to manage it. The battle with alcoholism is a big part of his (pretty decent) autobiography, Five O'Clock Comes Early.

One of his sons ended up addicted to heroin, though fortunately it sounds like he's managed to get clean, too.
   16. Dale Sams Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4722791)
If guys 6-7 years older than me could stop dying...that'd be great.
   17. haggard Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4722795)
That award is named after a guy who is famous for winning the most games.
   18. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: June 10, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4722806)
If guys 6-7 years older than me could stop dying...that'd be great.

Motion seconded. It is kind of shocking to realize that the 1990 season was 24 years ago. RIP Bob.

   19. Batman Posted: June 10, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4722833)
Welch won his fifth straight start (and sixth straight decision) 24 years ago today. The streak made it to nine straight starts and ten straight decisions. He had a decision in his last 27 starts and only two no-decisions all season.
   20. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 10, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4722836)
It is kind of shocking to realize that the 1990 season was 24 years ago. RIP Bob.

The baseball event that I found most shocking - like a dagger to the heart - was realizing during the 1998 McGwire/Sosa HR race that it was farther removed in time from the Roger Maris 1961 61-HR season of my youth, than Maris' effort was from the ancient history of Babe Ruth's 1927 season. How did that happen?

BTW, don't gloat, you'll all be similarly shocked eventually.
   21. John DiFool2 Posted: June 10, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4722837)
The conclusion of Game 2 - 1978 World Series was one of the greatest tv sports moment I ever witnessed of my youthful years.

RIP


Seems like yesterday (he was 21 at the time)...

Damn.....
   22. Publius Publicola Posted: June 10, 2014 at 05:47 PM (#4722840)
BTW, don't gloat, you'll all be similarly shocked eventually.


Translation: Get off my lawn!
   23. Spahn Insane Posted: June 10, 2014 at 06:06 PM (#4722853)
RIP. Welch started against Fergie Jenkins in the first game I ever attended at Wrigley Field. The Cubs lit him up pretty good.

This news makes me feel very old.
   24. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 10, 2014 at 06:07 PM (#4722855)
The conclusion of Game 2 - 1978 World Series was one of the greatest tv sports moment I ever witnessed of my youthful years.


Needs to be watched with the sound on

   25. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 10, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4722859)
The baseball event that I found most shocking - like a dagger to the heart - was realizing during the 1998 McGwire/Sosa HR race that it was farther removed in time from the Roger Maris 1961 61-HR season of my youth, than Maris' effort was from the ancient history of Babe Ruth's 1927 season. How did that happen?


The greatest World Series of all time (1986 dammit no arguing) is now further away in time than 1986 was to the Mets 120 loss season in 1962.

Reggie Jackson hitting 3 home runs in game 6 of the 1978 World Series is far more ancient to my oldest son, than Don Larsen's perfect game was to me...

Dave Kingman is almost as far in the past to my sona as Lou Gehrig was to me...
   26. Leroy Kincaid Posted: June 10, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4722864)
1978?!?!

Edit: Oh yeah, bummer about Welch.
   27. Batman Posted: June 10, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4722866)
Vin Scully had just finished his seventh season with the Dodgers when Bob Welch was born.
   28. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:01 PM (#4722881)
Now both Bob Welchs are gone. R.I.P.

Bob Welch (the singer) had a big hit with "Ebony Eyes", which was also the title of a hit record by the Everly Brothers (but not the same song).

Anyway, I always wanted Bob Welch (the pitcher) to record the Everly Brothers song, just to confuse people. "Here's Bob Welch...no, the other one...singing "Ebony Eyes"...no, the other one!"

Fun fact: Welch was also a member of the 1976 Eastern Michigan Hurons (my alma mater) team that was College World Series runner-up. (They remain the last northern team to play for a CWS championship.)
   29. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4722883)
The baseball event that I found most shocking - like a dagger to the heart - was realizing during the 1998 McGwire/Sosa HR race that it was farther removed in time from the Roger Maris 1961 61-HR season of my youth, than Maris' effort was from the ancient history of Babe Ruth's 1927 season. How did that happen?


It's music stuff that does that to me. Like, the Sex Pistols' album came out something like 37 years ago. And 37 years before that, people like Glenn Miller & Tommy Dorsey were in the charts. Whoooooa.

Beatlemania was only something like 14 years in the past. Now that I'm in my dotage, of course, 14 years is nothing. Nothing.
   30. Matt Welch Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4722899)
He used to throw to my brother to keep in shape during the '81 strike at Lakewood High. I obviously would lie and tell everyone he was my uncle (just like Raquel was my aunt!). Very good pitcher for a long time, and those showdowns with Reggie were some of the best live sports on television during my childhood.
   31. AndrewJ Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4722903)
The Welch-Jackson confrontation was closer in time to the St. Louis Browns winning the pennant than to 2014. There were still a few active sportswriters from the pre-Babe Ruth era in the press box for the '78 Series, including Dan Daniel and Fred Lieb.
   32. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:36 PM (#4722904)
I hope Orel Hershiser gets a thorough checkup done very soon. Can't be too safe.
   33. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4722909)
In addition to the outcome, the other awesome things about the video are the absence of EXTREEEEEEME CLOSE-UPS of Welch and Jackson between each pitch and the sense of excitement conveyed by Garagiola and Kubek rather than Joe Buck's droning monotone.
   34. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:55 PM (#4722918)
I also like the way they give Jackson a little jab for not ducking the chin music quickly enough. Like it's his fault if he gets hit with it.
   35. JE (Jason) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:06 PM (#4722928)
Bob Welch, former Cy winner, has passed away at 57, #Athletics announce.

I blame Manny Machado. (What, too soon?)
   36. DanG Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:18 PM (#4722942)
Did Welch balk on the first pitch to Reggie?
   37. Canker Soriano Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:30 PM (#4722952)
Man, Reggie is not getting cheated on those swings. If he had connected with one of those fastballs, it was going to go about 700 feet.
   38. Moeball Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4722959)
Man, Reggie is not getting cheated on those swings. If he had connected with one of those fastballs, it was going to go about 700 feet.


Yeah, Reggie really corkscrewed himself sometimes, obviously a disciple of the Babe Ruth school of hitting. Swing as hard as you can!

When people remember Welch picking up all those wins in 1990, also stop for a moment and think about what kind of season Eckersley had closing out all those wins. Eck's numbers that year were just ridiculous!
   39. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4722965)
Bob Welch will probably stand as the last major league 25+ game winner for a long time.
   40. Textbook Editor Posted: June 10, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4722968)
Just watched the end of Game 2 of the 1978 WS and then Game 5 of the 1984 WS; the latter had a nutso field invasion by fans afterwards that I don't think would even be possible today... When did that kind of stuff stop happening, and why? It's not like fields are ringed with cops at the end of clinching games... It's almost like the practice just sort of died out here in the US. (Though I note there was a massive pitch invasion at the Ethiad Stadium both times Manchester City won the Premiere League in the past 3 years.)
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: June 10, 2014 at 09:34 PM (#4722982)
Bob Welch will probably stand as the last major league 25+ game winner for a long time.


Mark Buehrle is going to do his damndest to prove you wrong this year.
   42. AndrewJ Posted: June 10, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4722983)
Textbook Editor>> I think the rioting at Disco Demoltion Night at Comiskey in 1979 played a major role in stopping onfield fan celebrations.

It's not like fields are ringed with cops at the end of clinching games...

Cops on horseback ringed the field at Veterans Stadium in the ninth inning of Game 6 of the 1980 Series, which drew a lot of attention at the time. The last significant onfield celebration was probably when the Mets clinched the NL East in September 1986. There hasn't been anything that wild since.
   43. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4723044)
Just watched the end of Game 2 of the 1978 WS and then Game 5 of the 1984 WS; the latter had a nutso field invasion by fans afterwards that I don't think would even be possible today... When did that kind of stuff stop happening, and why?

I think what's generally considered to be the turning point was Chris Chambliss's walk-off ALCS-winning HR for the Yankees against the Royals. Fans got in his way on the basepaths & stole third base and home plate before he could get to them.

But then again, you note '84 and Andrew mentions it happening in '86, but as to why it ended - teams got sick of stuff like that.

Bill James once wrote something about how ballparks had a definite crackdown on rowdiness in the early '80s. (looks it up). Yeah - it's pages 302-305 in the New Historical Abstract. Opening sentences: "Between 1977 and 1983, I never went to a major league game at which I was not seated near to a loud, obnoxious drunk. I went to very, very few games in that era at which there was not a fight that broke out somewhere in the vicinity of my seat. I must have gone to 30, 40 games a year during that period, mostly Kansas City Royals games - and there were loud drunks near my seat at every single game."

He then noted that in '84, it seemed to clear up, primarily sighting more stringent efforts to monitor alcohol intake of fans, increased security, and the like.

That's not a direct response to what you're talking about, by keeping drunkedness down and encouraging more respectful behavior and having more security all would also cause less on-field fan celebrations.
   44. jobu Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4723063)
Imagine someone winning 27 games now that we have fantasy baseball. We'd never hear the end of it from anyone with Welch on his team.


The book "Rotisserie League Baseball" came out in ~1983 or 1984 (I started playing in a league--still active--in 1984). Fantasy baseball's invention is more ancient to my son (born in 2005) than Willie Mays's rookie year, the Korean War, and JFK's assassination are to me.

Bob Welch's 27 wins would still win the CYA. RIP to a strong contributor to a couple of all-time classic teams.
   45. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 11, 2014 at 01:06 AM (#4723079)
Fun fact: Welch was also a member of the 1976 Eastern Michigan Hurons (my alma mater) team that was College World Series runner-up. (They remain the last northern team to play for a CWS championship.)


Oregon State, who won it in 2006 and 2007, is further north than Eastern Michigan.
   46. Perry Posted: June 11, 2014 at 01:26 AM (#4723085)
#24 -- thanks for posting.

Love the ump with the big balloon protector. Must have been an AL guy, the NL umps wore the inside protectors.
   47. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 11, 2014 at 02:12 AM (#4723092)
The "Back to the Future" remake premise is still one of the best cultural time lapse signifiers. If "Back to the Future" were first released today, Marty McFly would travel all the way back in time to 1984.
   48. AndrewJ Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:00 AM (#4723119)
The assassination of JFK was closer chronologically to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand than to today.
   49. DanG Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:13 AM (#4723144)
Since Welch, a 24-win season is a once in a decade achievement.

24+ wins since 1975:

Rk             Player  W  L GS  WAR    IP Year  Tm
1           Bob Welch 27  6 35  3.0 238.0 1990 OAK
2         Steve Stone 25  7 37  4.0 250.2 1980 BAL
3          Ron Guidry 25  3 35  9.6 273.2 1978 NYY
4    Justin Verlander 24  5 34  8.4 251.0 2011 DET
5       Randy Johnson 24  5 35 10.9 260.0 2002 ARI
6         John Smoltz 24  8 35  7.3 253.2 1996 ATL
7         Frank Viola 24  7 35  7.7 255.1 1988 MIN
8       Roger Clemens 24  4 33  8.9 254.0 1986 BOS
9       Dwight Gooden 24  4 35 12.1 276.2 1985 NYM
10        LaMarr Hoyt 24 10 36  3.7 260.2 1983 CHW
11      Steve Carlton 24  9 38 10.2 304.0 1980 PHI 


Pitchers with 30+ decisions, 2006-13

Rk            Player  W  L GS WAR Year Age  Tm
1       Roy Halladay 21 10 33 8.3 2010  33 PHI
2    Adam Wainwright 20 11 33 6.3 2010  28 STL
3       Roy Halladay 20 11 33 6.2 2008  31 TOR
4    Carlos Zambrano 18 13 34 3.4 2007  26 CHC 

Obviously, you can't win 30 games if you don't have 30 decisions.
   50. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:16 AM (#4723147)
The conclusion of Game 2 - 1978 World Series was one of the greatest tv sports moment I ever witnessed of my youthful years.

That made for great drama, but what Yankee fans like to remember is that the next two times that Welch faced Jackson, the results were a game 4 10th inning single that put the game winning run in scoring position for Piniella to drive in, and a moon shot home run that clinched game 6 and the World Series.
   51. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4723151)
This is very depressing. Following Welch in the 1990 season was a lot of fun. I was a senior in high school and my friends and I went to a lot of games that year. It's tough when ballplayers from the teams of your youth begin to die. RIP Bobby and thanks for the memories.

As a side note, that trade for Bob Welch and Rick Honeycutt was one of the best Sandy Alderson ever made. It's funny that it took a baseball outsider to see that Alfredo Griffin was pretty terrible.
   52. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4723167)
When people remember Welch picking up all those wins in 1990, also stop for a moment and think about what kind of season Eckersley had closing out all those wins. Eck's numbers that year were just ridiculous!

That's probably why Welch had only 2 complete games in 1990 despite the 27 wins, his 2 shutouts. Clemens had 7 CG with 4 shutouts and pitched only 10 fewer innings than Welch (IIRC Clemens missed a couple of starts at one point, started 31 games to Welch's 35).

27 wins is no doubt impressive, but I'll forever remember Bob Welch as the guy who unfairly got a Cy over Clemens. There was no comparison between the two that year. That shouldn't take away from Welch's overall career, which was very fine, of course.
   53. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:45 AM (#4723171)
Clemens deserved the Award, but in one way I'm happy Bob Welch got it. Clemens will be remembered for many other things.
   54. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: June 11, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4723173)
The Welch and Honeycutt trades were seperate trades. The A's actually gave up a fair amount in both of them (Jay Howell had some use left, Young Tim belcher, young Kevin tapani, the head of Alfredo Griffin) but obviously they came out well.

Welch was such a horse- I remember being shocked when he just couldn't get it together in 94. I was sure he'd bounce back.
   55. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4723214)
Man, Reggie is not getting cheated on those swings. If he had connected with one of those fastballs, it was going to go about 700 feet.


Later in the series he did connect on one of those swings, not on a fastball, on a Hough knuckle ball and sent it some 450+ feet dead center.

Later Winfield would, every now and then, really load up and swing ludicrously hard trying to hit a homerun... Winfield, unlike Reggie, never made contact when he did that.
   56. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4723220)
Now that's how everybody swings.
   57. Ron J2 Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4723221)
#16 Welch is a year younger than me. Sigh. I can remember his entire career. I feel old(er)

RIP
   58. Booey Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4723224)
Clemens will be remembered for many other things.


Unfortunately, Clemens is usually remembered for only one thing now.
   59. Batman Posted: June 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4723229)
Unfortunately, Clemens is usually remembered for only one thing now.
Yeah, he was great in Kingpin.
   60. AROM Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4723252)
If "Back to the Future" were first released today, Marty McFly would travel all the way back in time to 1984.


And instead of a DeLorean, they would use a hot tub as a time machine.
   61. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: June 11, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4723297)
I am still mad at LaRussa for losing Game 2 in the 90 WS by leaving Welch in there in the 8th and not putting McGee out in RF for Canseco.
   62. Booey Posted: June 11, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4723321)
Yeah, he was great in Kingpin.


And Anger Management.

(the Adam Sandler/Jack Nicholson movie, not the Charlie Sheen TV show)
   63. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 11, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4723451)
Just watched the end of Game 2 of the 1978 WS and then Game 5 of the 1984 WS; the latter had a nutso field invasion by fans afterwards that I don't think would even be possible today... When did that kind of stuff stop happening, and why?

I think it was in 1989, after the Indians won the playoff game against the Yankees, after Willie Mays Hayes scored from second on the bunt, the fans stormed the field.
   64. Anonymous Observer Posted: June 11, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4723529)
I think it was in 1989, after the Indians won the playoff game against the Yankees, after Willie Mays Hayes scored from second on the bunt, the fans stormed the field.


Am I the only one who has wondered why the game was in Cleveland? From the sound of it, the Yankees beat the Indians like redheaded stepchildren that season.
   65. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 11, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4723533)
Man, Reggie is not getting cheated on those swings. If he had connected with one of those fastballs, it was going to go about 700 feet.

Later in the series he did connect on one of those swings, not on a fastball, on a Hough knuckle ball and sent it some 450+ feet dead center.

that was the previous year
   66. WSPanic Posted: June 11, 2014 at 03:49 PM (#4723536)
Oregon State, who won it in 2006 and 2007, is further north than Eastern Michigan.


Depending on your definition of "northern" - Stanford and Wichita St. would also be northern teams to compete for a CWS since Eastern Michigan.
   67. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 11, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4723538)
that was the previous year

Which was closer in time to the bombing of Pearl Harbor than to Cespedes' throw home.
   68. Batman Posted: June 11, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4723636)
Am I the only one who has wondered why the game was in Cleveland? From the sound of it, the Yankees beat the Indians like redheaded stepchildren that season.
It was a tiebreaker (like Bucky Dent or Bobby Thomson) not a playoff game. The Yankees and Indians were in the same division then and couldn't have played in the postseason.
   69. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: June 11, 2014 at 07:09 PM (#4723640)
The question was why the one-game playoff wasn't in New York, considering the Yankees obviously had a better head-to-head record.

And the answer is "coin flip."
   70. Srul Itza Posted: June 11, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4723656)
He was two years younger than me.

Ouch.
   71. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 11, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4723687)
Man, Reggie is not getting cheated on those swings. If he had connected with one of those fastballs, it was going to go about 700 feet.

Later in the series he did connect on one of those swings, not on a fastball, on a Hough knuckle ball and sent it some 450+ feet dead center.


that was the previous year

But in 1978 he singled and homered off Welch in the two times he faced him after that strikeout.

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Just watched the end of Game 2 of the 1978 WS and then Game 5 of the 1984 WS; the latter had a nutso field invasion by fans afterwards that I don't think would even be possible today... When did that kind of stuff stop happening, and why?


I think it was in 1989, after the Indians won the playoff game against the Yankees, after Willie Mays Hayes scored from second on the bunt, the fans stormed the field.

Lucky for those actors that that movie wasn't set in Philadelphia.

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