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Sunday, May 18, 2014

Former Jays catcher J.P. Arencibia still bitter about treatment in Toronto

Despite his historically poor production on both sides of the ball, by Arencibia’s estimation it was the media who ran him out of town.

“I think the media made me out to be a monster — I wasn’t. They changed a lot of things that I said or made up stories. So I thought that that was a big thing that went down. I learned how much media does control things.”

Arencibia did not specify to which reporters or media outlets he was referring. Of the allegations he said were falsely reported, he mentioned only one: that he had complained to team president Paul Beeston about Hayhurst and Zaun, which he said “wasn’t even close to what happened.”

Arencibia himself was actually the source of that report, when he said in an MLB Network radio interview that he spoke to the “team president” about broadcasters “that we employ” and asked, “How do you build a fan base when everything that fans are hearing is negative?”

Though he once again declined to specify about whom or what he was speaking, Arencibia also said he considered taking legal action against some members of the media, whom he vaguely accused of defaming him.

“Of course I was over it at this point of trying to say anything because it made no difference,” he said. “For everything that I did and everything that I try to do in the community and always be a good person first, to see people just turn around and make things up. Obviously you know that there’s bad human beings in this world and I realized we had quite a few of them that I had to deal with.”

Good cripple hitter Posted: May 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: j.p. arencibia, media, texas rangers, toronto maple leafs, vague accusations

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   1. Greg K Posted: May 18, 2014 at 01:09 AM (#4709005)
I think Arencibia started with expectations too high, and so his failures were met with more frustration than was perhaps warranted.

He did fail to pan out, and I'm sure there is blame to go around both him and the organization for that. But I think some in Toronto expected a star, and that was never happening even in a best case scenario.
   2. valuearbitrageur Posted: May 18, 2014 at 01:41 AM (#4709010)
If only Hayhurst and Zaun understood what players go through every day, maybe they could have done their jobs with some perspective.

I'm guessing that MLB baseball still isn't requiring advanced degrees as a prerequisite to being hired in an on the field capacity?
   3. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: May 18, 2014 at 02:09 AM (#4709015)
Fortunately for Arencibia, a .200 hitter is still a plus bat on the 2014 Rangers.
   4. bobm Posted: May 18, 2014 at 02:32 AM (#4709020)
FTFA:

A former first-round pick who at one time looked destined to be the Jays’ catcher of the future, Arencibia endured a disastrous 2013 season, in which despite hitting 21 home runs he was among the worst offensive and defensive players at his position. His .227 on-base percentage last season was not only the lowest in the majors, but also the fourth-worst in baseball’s modern era (since 1901) for a player with at least 400 plate appearances. He also led all catchers with 13 passed balls and 11 errors. [...]

Asked by the Star to clarify how the two teams’ cultures differ, Arencibia no longer seemed interested in the interview. “Warmer weather,” he deadpanned, followed by: “No poutine.”
   5. I Am Not a Number Posted: May 18, 2014 at 08:35 AM (#4709037)
Arencibia is very thin skinned. Instead of just accepting that his on-field performance would yield its share of criticism, some in the form of hostile pot shots, he felt the need to lash out on-line. He went from a sympathetic, struggling player to an arrogant, self-deluded one. To this day, he is still clearly perplexed.

Pro athletes and Twitter is a recipe for disaster.
   6. Matthew E Posted: May 18, 2014 at 08:41 AM (#4709038)
I'm not even sure what he's talking about for all of this. Was he portrayed as a monster? Right to the end I was still getting the impression that he was a well-liked guy who just wasn't getting it done on the field and got overinvested on Twitter.
   7. Bruce Markusen Posted: May 18, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4709042)
Good grief, Arencibia is lucky to have a job in the major leagues. Has anyone who played so poorly ever complained so much as this guy?
   8. BDC Posted: May 18, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4709045)
Fortunately for Arencibia, a .200 hitter is still a plus bat on the 2014 Rangers

And unfortunately, he's hitting .133 this year :(
   9. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 18, 2014 at 09:50 AM (#4709047)
I think Arencibia started with expectations too high


Well, it was a hell of a debut.

Hit the 1st pitch of his career for a home run.
Another home run later in the game.
Goes 4-for-5.

It's gotta be tough to know the best game of your career was the first one you played.

Side note:
The first game he played in 2010 - 2HR
The first game he played in 2011 - 2HR
The first game he played in 2012 - 1HR

Impressive little streak there.
   10. FrankM Posted: May 18, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4709049)
Arencibia's problem:

1. Other than hitting the occasional home run, he's a bad offensive player.

2. He's terrible defensively.

3. He thinks he's great.

I don't know if there's a work ethic issue here, but he failed to show any improvement in his Toronto tenure.
   11. simon bedford Posted: May 18, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4709062)
its strange how the jays seemed to have a surpluss of "prospects" at catcher over the years but the last few have either failed to pan out ( arencibia) been dealt (travis d'arnaud) been moved along to other positions (delgado) or ended up being pat borders ( pat borders)
the "best" catcher they probably ever had was ashby and he made his reputation elsehwere so i guess that leaves ernie whitt by default? not that ernie didnt have some skills
   12. Greg K Posted: May 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4709065)
At least they cashed catching prospect Robinzon Diaz in for something good.

I recall seeing former Jays catcher of the future Guillermo Quiroz floating around somewhere last year.
   13. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 18, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4709071)
Speaking of bitter players, I was pleased to see Matt Garza get the L in yesterday's game at Wrigley. He didn't exactly kick their teeth in as he so proudly declared his intention to do this past off-season.
   14. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4709095)
I don't mind guys going after their former team with a bit of a chip on their shoulder, like Garza. But b*tching about the media from the old team is a whole other level of lame--particularly when there appears to be absolutely no justification for it.
   15. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: May 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4709510)
Well, it was a hell of a debut.

Hit the 1st pitch of his career for a home run.
Another home run later in the game.
Goes 4-for-5.

He played 11 games that season but after that first game he was 1 for 30 with 11 Ks.
   16. Greg K Posted: May 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM (#4709520)
And unfortunately, he's hitting .133 this year :(

Batting average is a bit misleading with Arencibia. It leaves out all those walks he gets!
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 19, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4709548)
Toronto went out of its way to give JP extra chances. Treating you like you're a bad player when you're actually a bad player isn't disrespect - it's just fairness.
   18. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: May 19, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4709589)
My only problem with stuff like this is that at no time (and maybe the writer left it out to be fair) did JP acknowledge that he was awful last year. This whole article is about JP blaming everyone but himself. That fool even denied complaining about the broadcast despite evidence to the contrary.
   19. JE (Jason) Posted: May 22, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4711371)
   20. BDC Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4711384)
Rangers replace Arencibia with AAAA veteran Chris Gimenez, a lifetime .198 hitter. Now there's a concrete demonstration of falling below replacement level.
   21. AROM Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4711390)
Blue Jays catchers combined in 2014: 293/337/356. Only 2 homers, only 20 strikeouts through 47 games.

Pretty much the exact opposite of JP.
   22. BDC Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4711394)
MLB.com reporting that Jim Sundberg and Ivan Rodriguez will "represent the Rangers at the draft," whatever that entails. Better they should grab masks and play this weekend against the Tigers.
   23. TDF, situational idiot Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4711399)
I never paid any attention, but holy cow.

If you hit 21 HR, you have to be a decent hitter don't you? Evidently not - Arencibia had an 59 OPS+ last year; the next worst ever with 20+ HR is 71 (noted slugger Marquis Grissom). What's more shocking is that last year, he didn't have the lowest SLG (.365) for someone with 20+ HR - that distinction belongs to Dan Uggla (.362).

More fun - despite a significantly higher BA (.228 vs. .194 (JP) and .179 (Uggla)) Dale Murphy had an even lower SLG in '89 - .261.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4711400)
MLB.com reporting that Jim Sundberg and Ivan Rodriguez will "represent the Rangers at the draft," whatever that entails.


There's usually an ex-player who turns in the first couple of picks.
   25. AROM Posted: May 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4711415)
Typo - .361 for Murphy.

The lowest SLG possible for someone hitting .228 with 20 homers is around .314 - that's what I get if I assume 700 AB and zero doubles and triples.
   26. BDC Posted: May 22, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4711428)
distinction belongs to Dan Uggla

Kind of amazing that Uggla occasionally still sees action for a first-place team … though he may be joining Arencibia in limbo soon.
   27. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: May 22, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4711524)
This is just a little side note (and what would BBTF be without tangents)...

Yesterday on Fark, someone posted a thread about Puig's boneheaded (but utterly harmless) move about gunning a ball to third despite it being the third out and there were a handful of "I hate Puig, he's an ass" type of comments. I will admit that I am absolutely blinded by bias in this instance, but I asked a couple of the folks who made the comments "Why do you hate him?" and none responded.

Anyhow, to bring it back to this thread, I think when the Fark folks pull the "Puig is an ass" card, they need to read articles like this. JP is an ass. I would say that whole "I complained to management about negative broadcasters" on TV and later denying is worse than anything that Puig has done (driving stupidity aside). And then he goes on about the culture (which is valid), but it is even worse with Rangers? He is a deluded tool.

Sorry for the rant.
   28. TDF, situational idiot Posted: May 22, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4711570)
Typo - .361 for Murphy.
Give me a break - I'm typing and trying to avoid my boss!

Anyway, it jsut boggles my mind that someone with enough power to hit 20 HR...could have no power.
   29. Good cripple hitter Posted: May 22, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4711587)
Anyway, it jsut boggles my mind that someone with enough power to hit 20 HR...could have no power.


Slugging .269 on the road didn't help JP at all.
   30. Rusty Priske Posted: May 22, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4711628)
I question the idea that the media is to blame when all they were doign was pointing out that he was playing poorly.

In other words, their jobs.

I wonder if he blames the Rangers media for being cut?

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