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Former MLB pitcher Kevin Brown reportedly held two mail thieves at gunpoint until police arrived

Former MLB All-Star Kevin Brown is now a neighborhood watchdog.

According to Laura Corley of The Telegraph, Brown recently caught two mail thieves in his Macon, Georgia, neighborhood and held them at gunpoint until police arrived.

Sounds like he handled these thieves better than he handled David Ortiz in Game 7.

Nasty Nate Posted: June 15, 2018 at 09:31 AM | 309 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. McCoy Posted: June 21, 2018 at 02:50 PM (#5697108)
It is neither the citizenry's nor government's role to determine who "needs" what, and to deny citizens their constitutional rights on the basis of those determinations.

Well, that's odd because it was the government that decided that its citizens needed guns. But now you're telling me they shouldn't have done that. I'm all kinds of confused. So is it no longer the government's role to ensure clean water or that when we drink milk we're not drinking liquid asbestos? I know, I know, the libertarian would say it is not their role to do that but beyond the loonies do they not have a role? Have we not given them that power?
   302. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5697115)
No. But taking away their natural rights, without due process of law, is.


Natural rights. Good one. Did the Flying Spaghetti monster tell you exactly what those rights were and how they should be defended? There are no such things as natural rights.
   303. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 06:48 PM (#5697304)
Natural rights. Good one. Did the Flying Spaghetti monster tell you exactly what those rights were and how they should be defended? There are no such things as natural rights.
Yes, yes, you’ve already explained many times how you can’t figure out that slavery or rape are universally wrong. The most you’ll say is that you personally think they’re wrong.
   304. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 07:04 PM (#5697308)
What about their supernatural rights? Does haunting violate property rights? Is an exorcism without due process a violation of the rights of the post-living?
   305. McCoy Posted: June 21, 2018 at 07:49 PM (#5697329)
If slavery is a natural right a) why did every single country have to outlaw it and b) why did we have laws and case laws protecting it?

Slavery was with us for thousand of years. If it's a natural right it is a new one.
   306. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 08:36 PM (#5697395)
If slavery is a natural right a) why did every single country have to outlaw it and b) why did we have laws and case laws protecting it?
Setting aside your backwards phrasing (slavery obviously isn't the right; freedom is), your question is a category error. Positive law and natural law are different concepts.

Slavery was with us for thousand of years. If it's a natural right it is a new one.
Some people looked at blacks in the U.S. before 1865 and said, "Shrug. I guess they just have to lump it. Slavery's legal." Other people said, "Enslaving them is violating their rights."
   307. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 21, 2018 at 08:41 PM (#5697406)
Some people looked at blacks in the U.S. before 1865 and said, "Shrug. I guess they just have to lump it. Slavery's legal."


Clapper?
   308. McCoy Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5697436)
Some people looked at blacks in the U.S. before 1865 and said, "Shrug. I guess they just have to lump it. Slavery's legal." Other people said, "Enslaving them is violating their rights."


Now go back 300 years, go back 1000 years. Slavery has been with us probably since year 5 or so and continued up until about year 4812. How is freedom from enslavement a natural right if it has been with us since the start of the social compact?

[em[Setting aside your backwards phrasing (slavery obviously isn't the right; freedom is), your question is a category error. Positive law and natural law are different concepts.


Up until about the 19th century slavery was most certainly a right.
   309. Srul Itza Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:25 PM (#5697456)
The problem with "natural rights" is determining what they are.

Even the simplest examples are fraught. Freedom is a natural right -- unless you commit a crime, in which case your freedom can be deprived for whatever length of time the majority thinks is appropriate.

So is it a right to not be incarcerated for more than is appropriate for the crime? How is that determined by "natural law"?

Or is it a matter of "I know it when I see it" -- but not everyone sees the same thing.

This country was kick-started on a concept of divinely granted natural rights -- That we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights. That among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Which, of course, implies others.

What others? Are they all Self-Evident? Then why do we seem to disagree as to what they are?

And, of course, the Declaration is not actually a part of US Law. It is hortatory, a statement of a certain political philosophy.

Natural Rights, or Natural Law, is basically an attempt to place on some higher plane, the idea that there are certain minimum levels of behavior we should expect from each other, and from all of us acting in concert through the government.

By the same token, we might as well as pare it all the way back to Hillel's one-legged explanation of the Torah: What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. All the rest is commentary.
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