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1. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 24, 2008 at 08:18 AM (#2870963)There was Jorge Posada last offseason. Before that, I think you have to go back to the 90s before that though.
They didn't need to compete for Beltran, he wanted to play for the Yankees and was willing to take less money to do so. Still don't understand WTF was going on that offseason.
Someone isn't paying attention to the Yankees bullpen. They don't need any help there.
I think the theory behind Sherrill is that the Yankees "need" a lefty. But I'd be shocked if that ranked higher than a SP on their priority list.
Some people believe without a lefty, a bullpen is not complete.
The Yankees bullpen is rock solid. Once Bruney comes back and LaTroy is DFA'd, they are going to be incredibly deep with options.
And re the Yanks' bullpen, it's been amazing, for sure, but hasn't its success to some extent highlighted Torre's mismanagement of it (and Girardi/Eiland's good use of it)?
Or hitter. I'll be pretty surprised if they don't at least make a run at Ibanez. They need a competent DH who can play the corners occasionally and he fits that bill perfectly. Any ideas on what Seattle wants for Ibanez?
I suppose Cashman usually makes his big trades under the radar (Abreu, Justice) but I'd like to have some idea WTF is going on.
For sure. Edwar is the glaring example, but I don't think Torre would have used Robertson the same way (or even Giese). And he would still probably be trotting Traber out to face every lefty in the AL.
I prefer the surpise, I know Big Cecil wasn't his, but that trade blew my ####### mind.
Remember the Sammy Sosa fiasco of '00? We knew everything that happened with that one, and it sucked.
And re the Yanks' bullpen, it's been amazing, for sure, but hasn't its success to some extent highlighted Torre's mismanagement of it (and Girardi/Eiland's good use of it)?
Need Teixeira? Maybe not, but he would certainly be an upgrade on the Betemit/Sexson platoon if the cost isn't prohibitive and they get a negotiating window.
Also, yes, Girardi has been much, much better at handling the bullpen than Torre ever was.
Hawkins would probably be the setup man. Jose Veras mop up.
Torre was really good when he started though, 96-98.
Has Rosenthal even watched the Dbacks lately? Jackson is their left fielder, Tracy the first baseman
So if they trade CJ for Teix, they'll have 3 first basemen (along with Clark) and Chris Burke's rotten corpse in left
Good thinking there, Rosenthal
Jeter?
The way Jeter has played defense this year, he has at least one more year at SS. As for 1b, Giambi is gone this year. Matsui to DH/LF with Posada DH/C assuming his shoulder heals enough for him to throw, which I don't think is unreasonable, it's his arm not his legs that are the problem, the rest of his body is still up to the rigors of catching. The year after that, Matsui is gone, Posada can DH fulltime if he wants for the next two years. So say Jeter falls to pieces defensively in 09 like he did in 07. If you're going to move him down the defensive spectrum, I would think a move to the OF would be more likely than 1st. The offensive average is lower and Jeter has a better chance of being a good defender out there. Not only do the Yanks have room at first, I think it's important to sign a guy like Tex (or Dunn I guess) who can stabilize first for a long time (til Montero is ready at least) because so many of they're big hitters are old and have health issues AND will be off contract in the next couple of years.
Definitely. If you look at the Yankee roster for next year, the only guy who seems like a lock to post a 120+ OPS+ is A-Rod. Everybody else is either an injury concern, an aging/decline risk, or likely to be off the team. Lot of question marks on offense for the next year or two.
are there concerns that Montero isn't going to be able to catch long-term (or in the majors, I guess)? does he not have the body for it, or are there concerns about his defense?
That doesn't make any sense for the Braves at all. Trade Teixeira for eight months of a stop-gap first baseman? That is horrible.
Both. He's already huge, and while his defense has improved a lot, it's just gone from holy #### god awful to plain old god awful.
I'll be shocked if Tex and Sabathia aren't Yankees next year. They have the money and they have the need and those two fill those needs perfectly. CC and Tex are about to become very, very wealthy.
Am not sure what the Braves are expecting back. Whatever it is, they won't get that much
Chad Tracy 3b
3 years/$13.25M (2007-09), plus $7M 2010 club option
* signed extension 5/06
* $1M signing bonus
* 07:$2.75M, 08:$3.75M, 09:$4.75M, 10:$7M club option ($1M buyout)
I can potentially see a trade of Chad Tracy and Micah Owings (local GA kid) for Teixeira and either cash or a reasonable prospect. The Dbacks can insert Petit/Scherzer in Owings's spot, the Braves get 4 1/2 years of control on a solid back of the rotation starter (who's scuffling lately, granted)
BTW-our last local boy, Francouer, has played horribly but his local status has instilled some fear in management on trying to correct the problem (hello Jackson, Mississippi, but for 3 days only). I am not sure managment want another perceived PR headache for another local kid who isn't playing well (although Owings left GTech in a snit, so maybe the locals don't like him so much).
And don't forget, this trade involves trading away a local kid (Teixera 3 years at Gtech).
Now, that's an interesting deal that both teams should make.
Those were signings that had to be made. Jaret Wright rocked the Yankees' world with almost two quality starts in 1997. And Womack hit a big double on November 4, 2001. And Pavano probably had a 1-2-3 inning against New York sometime.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
While I'm at it: Eric Byrnes for Mike Pelfrey?
Francœur.
To think, the Yankees could have had Vlad Guerrero and Carlos Beltran in their outfield right now, and for not much more than they've invested in Damon/Sheffield/Abreu these past few seasons. Oh well.I think that's as much a product of uncertainty as anything. When Joba moved to the rotation, they didn't know who they could trust other than Rivera, so everyone got used. And everyone pitched well (except Hawkins), so everyone kept getting used. Torre seemed to ride the first guy who pitched well the last few years, and took forever to trust someone new.
Girardi did still have the Britton anti-fetish before he got hurt, too.
They wanted a lefty that could get David Ortiz out. I really think it is as simple as that.
That still makes it seem like Girardi is better than Torre at managing a bullpen. Which he is.
Girardi did still have the Britton anti-fetish before he got hurt, too.
Girardi at least said he would try to use Britton more the next time he came up.
As for the major league roster, Melvin isn't going to touch that area until the offseason. He doesn't want to stir the pot.
I have every intention of getting carried away. If the Diamondbacks offered Tracy, Owings, and Scherzer for Teixeira, I would personally sign off on the deal in Frank Wren's stead. (They'll let me do that, right?) I would also start Owings in right field.
Just curious, would you have said this a week ago? in other words, was the Ray Durham trade a surprise?
I meant no players from the big league team will be included as part of a trade.
I also know for a fact that a good contingent of the players in the clubhouse were not happy about Dillon's demotion. Joe was a popular guy and worked to help the younger players get better. He is a real "grinder" so knows all about the need for extra work.
um...his ability?
And why sink money in a league-average-ish innings eater to protect Gallardo/Parra? They already have one of those. Spend a bit more and have CC to line up in front of Gallardo/Parra.
And now you may all proceed to gauge away...
See, if you read far enough down someone will have said it already. I don't think 3 months of Tiexiera for Owings and Tracy is a bad deal thought I'd try to make it a little better. Getting a top prospect in the deal makes it a no brainer. And in all honesty I suspect that Owings could outhit Frenchfry if he played every day.
Then you buy CC Sabathia and Adam Dunn.
The real issue with Britton is that you can't have him and Ponson on the roster at the same time unless the grounds crew is willing to sacrifice a pinstriped tarp to make another pair of uniform pants.
chris britton career:
IP H BB K ERA+ WHIP
73.3 58 25 48 141 1.132
yeah, he totally sucks.
Have been hearing that he only has a year or two left at the position since the inception of Primer. My thought is that barring a significant injury, catastrophic October error, or can't-miss SS prospect, he will be at shortstop until he retires.
He wouldn't do it for the best-hitting shortstop we'll ever see.
That was a crazy offseason, but is this really true, or is it just based on the Boras phone call? My reading of the Boras phone call was not "Carlos, in his heart of hearts, really wants to be a Yankee", but that "I'd really like another team to get in on the bidding."
I could be misremembering, but wasn't Boras' offer to the Yankees actually for more $ than the Mets paid him, once you took the value of deferred $ into account.
Atlanta is in a box. All of the contenders have first base covered. Those who don't, like the Angels probably don't see the need (though they should). The Yankees are interesting, but why give up prospects when you can get Tex for cash next year, and Tex won't make a big difference this year?
The best fit is Arizona. But even there, AZ is already likely to make the playoffs without Tex. Adding Tex makes AZ more of a realistic contender once in the playoffs, but the organization's real priority has to be building a stronger core over the next two years. Atlanta can't go back to having a huge hole at 1B, and those two draft picks aren't going to help for years.
So I'd argue Tracy for Tex is a fair deal. Tracy is cheap, controlled, league average or better if he remains healthy, and AZ can give him up without hurting this year's team, or their real playoff contenders 2-3 years from now. AZ can throw in a couple of lower level prospects to make up for the lost draft picks and call it a deal. It wouldn't be smart for AZ to give up any more than that. And it wouldn't be smart for Atlanta to turn that down. Otherwise they finish in 3rd with Tex this year, and get significantly worse over next year.
His stuff is fine. He's performed well at every level his entire professional career, including in the majors. His only negative is that he's fat, but there have been plenty of fat pitchers.
Nobody is saying that Chris Britton is Mariano Rivera, but the fact is that he's got solid stuff and has never pitched badly. To call him up from the minors and have him sit in the bullpen for a week or so, then send him down without using him (all the while bringing in guys who have struggled and continue to struggle)... that's inexplicable.
And he could have a HUGE impact for the team this year. Their offense has struggled, and their offensive resurgence since the break has been largely because Cano is hitting over .500. Without Matsui and Posada, the Yankees could very much use another bat, and 1B happens to be an area where they can improve. I'd go so far as to say that adding Tex this year could mean the difference between making the playoffs and missing the playoffs.
I don't know if that's worth it, though. Depends on what Atlanta wants.
I don't know. Tampa could sure use Teixeira, putting him at 1B, letting Pena DH and getting rid of the rotting corpse of Jonny Gomes.
DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!
What I remember is that Boras offered him to the Yankees for 6 yrs/ $96-100M, "He'll sign right now." However when you take into account the actual value of the deferred $ ($22M) in the Mets deal, they are a lot closer in value. Of course, from such a grossly simplified report we can't know for sure, but I doubt Boras had any deferred $ in that proposal (and of course if the Yankees call back and say we'll do it for "X" then Boras counters with "Y" and "Hey, Omar, we're negotiating! I need a bit more from you."
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