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Thursday, September 11, 2008

FOX Sports: Rob Dibble Chat: Rays @ Red Sox

Bizzy: a lot of people don’t give Jeter the credit is due in my opinion, and one of the reason is because his ops is so low

RKD49:  Bizzy, Jeter has more hits then Babe Ruth and Joe Dimaggio and Mickey Mantle, only Lou Gherig stands in his way as The Yankee with the most hits of all time….As far as Jeters greatness, how about most hits,runs,and total bases in postseason history…OP?  OPS was made up by espn, it means nothing to me.

Bizzy: I know it doesn’t, I’m just stating what sabermetricians that I talk to say about Jeter, I believe he’s a great hitter, you have to be when you pass the likes of Joe D, Mantle and Ruth

RKD49:  I’m not down of you Bizzy, I love numbers and stats too, but Keith Law saying Jim Rice would be the worst outfielder in The HOF because his OBP on the road is low is a joke, anybody who faced him says he’s a HOFer, Keith Law played how many games in The Big leagues?...Sometimes numbers get in the way of common sense, that’s what I’m talking about….Rice was awesome and who cares what Keith Law thinks anyway, he needs a good beating from Rosie O"donell

Nip/Duck, Keith!

Repoz Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:05 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. SteveF Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:22 AM (#2936481)
Pretty sure Keith could take Rosie.
   2. Greg K Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:24 AM (#2936495)
I remember someone went on that show of Dibble's and said Joe Carter was a fairly over-rated player, and Dibble went off on him saying he was one of the toughest outs in the league

And the response was, for a guy who's tough to get out, he sure made a lot of them.
   3. joker24 Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:24 AM (#2936497)
Pretty sure Keith could take Rosie.


You underrate her ability to hypnotize herself into thinking objects are cupcakes.
   4. Repoz Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:26 AM (#2936514)
More stoonadity from Dibs...

RKD49: Law should stick to what he knows, making the doughnuts!

...

RKD49: The Mariners need to blow that team up, I didn't like Silva a 4 or 5, Bedard is a joke, 5 players for that guy? I wouldn't have given you 5 packs of gum for that waste of talent.... I would have fired Bavasi right there and the jerks that evalauated his act....You need to draft smart and sign solid free agents, build the minors up like you did in the 90's....Seattle is an awesome place to play, they deserve a great product....
   5. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:27 AM (#2936515)
And Keith's buzzcut may make his head appear to be covered in a thin layer of delicious chocolate frosting!
   6. Halofan Posted: September 11, 2008 at 02:36 AM (#2936872)
Dibble slyly avoids a discussion of Rosie O'Donnell's disappointing career OPS.
   7. Repoz Posted: September 11, 2008 at 03:14 AM (#2937086)
Dibble is a beaut...

[Comment From midnitewriter]
On-base plus slugging was first popularized in 1984 by John Thorn and Pete Palmer's book, The Hidden Game of Baseball.[2] The New York Times then began carrying the leaders in this statistic in its weekly "By the Numbers" box, a feature that continued for four years. Baseball journalist Peter Gammons used and evangelized the statistics, and other writers and broadcasters picked it up. The popularity of OPS gradually spread, and by 2004 it began appearing on Topps baseball cards


RKD49: ok and I should care because Peter Gammons made a stat famous...OPS is what slugging percentage and on base percentage together? That just proves my point,,,writers make up stats by which they judge players because they didn't play in the big leagues....Let me ask you a question, do you think Vin Scully knows more about baseball then some beat writer that covers the Twins for 10 years...Yup, Vin does, but the Twins sportwriter has a HOF vote and Vin doesn't....How stupid is the system.....OPS, GPS I do not think players who were and are great in their playing days should be reduced to numbers....
   8. Benji Posted: September 11, 2008 at 04:18 AM (#2937489)
Rob Dibble. Jerk as a player, jerk as a commentator. Are Dibble, Rocker and Canseco the same guy?
   9. jwb Posted: September 11, 2008 at 04:27 AM (#2937506)
Thorn and Palmer may have invented OPS, but Allan Roth was using OBP + ISO in the 1940s.
   10. Ron Johnson Posted: September 11, 2008 at 04:40 AM (#2937514)
(Nicked from a Dan Szymborski .sig -- of course Roth worked for Rickey)

"As a statistic RBIs were not only misleading but dishonest. They depended on managerial control, a hitter's position in the batting order, park dimensions, and the success of his teammates in getting on base ahead of him. That left two measurable factors - on base average and power - by which to gauge the overall offensive worth of an individual."

-Branch Rickey, August 2, 1954, Life Magazine

I'm not sure when PRO+ became OPS+. Might simply have been a decision by Swan Forman. I don't recall Palmer and Thorn ever using the string OPS.
   11. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: September 11, 2008 at 05:14 AM (#2937538)
Pretty sure it was the Swan's executive decision. If you read his glossary I believe he describes the differences and the reason why he changed it.
   12. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: September 11, 2008 at 05:16 AM (#2937540)
Rosie O'Donnell's disappointing career OPS

That's unfair. She was outperformed by Jennifer Connelly, but who else was clearly better than ROSIE?
   13. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: September 11, 2008 at 05:21 AM (#2937545)
You need to draft smart and sign solid free agents, build the minors up like you did in the 90's

Key members of Seattle's 2001 team who came through their system:

Edgar Martinez
Joel Pineiro (75 IP)
Jeff Nelson (after an interim w/ the Yankees)

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