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Fox to fly cameras over NLCS and World Series

Fox will formally announce Wednesday that its Major League Baseball playoff coverage will include what it bills as a TV first: Cameras zipping over the field of play.

Says Fox Sports President Eric Shanks: “It’s a video game view of baseball for the first time.”

The idea is to use one camera per game that will move along cables and be controlled by operators who are supposed to keep those cameras away from fair and foul territory until pitches cross home plate.

Then the cameras, like the cable-cams that now routinely hover over NFL games, can roam over the field at altitudes ranging from about 12 to 80 feet above ground.

Says Shanks: “It’s like the football cable-cams, they can hover all over.”

Like hover over bases to give new overhead views of close plays. (Which, if it works, might factor into discussions of bringing instant replay to MLB.) And, Shanks says, they will hover over managers talking to their pitchers on the mound: “But we’ve agreed with MLB to not put microphones on the camera, so we won’t listen in to conversations.”

Wait a sec….

Which begs the obvious: What if a ball in play hits a hovering camera?

Brosnan says MLB doesn’t “have the ground rule just yet” about what would be called if that happened. And, he says the placement of cables over the field will be handled “on a case-by-case basis” to account for each ballpark’s layout. But overall, he says, MLB wants to keep cameras out of the way: “In our thirst to bring fans closer to the game, we still can’t intrude on the competition.”


This will not end well.

Gamingboy Posted: September 30, 2010 at 11:45 PM | 69 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:33 AM (#3652413)
How about some unmanned CIA spy drones instead.
   2. Bhaakon Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:34 AM (#3652414)
Hopefully, this will cut into the number of HD super-closeups. I can live without knowing how many blackheads Jeter has on his left nostril.
   3. The Essex Snead Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:35 AM (#3652415)
I still have nightmares about the Pujols cold sore.
   4. HighandOutside Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:40 AM (#3652418)
In the name of all that is worth mentioning, please let #2 be true!
   5. Bob Tufts Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:42 AM (#3652419)
It's the perfect solution to the Tropicana Dome catwalks issue - string wires over every field to make things even and bizarre, especially during the playoffs when it doesn't matter.

We'll have instant replay to see whether a ball hit a wire or camera.
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:48 AM (#3652422)
It's the perfect solution to the Tropicana Dome catwalks issue - string wires over every field to make things even and bizarre, especially during the playoffs when it doesn't matter.


And in Tampa, if the ball hits the camera and bounces off and hits the catwalk, how many bases does the batter get?
   7. TerpNats Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:50 AM (#3652424)
Well, better this than the super-colossal Ally MacBeal images that dwarfed every batter during Fox World Series telecasts some years back.
   8. Bhaakon Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:56 AM (#3652431)
Well, better this than the super-colossal Ally MacBeal images that dwarfed every batter during Fox World Series telecasts some years back.


iF you're referring to life-sized dancing baby, that was just Arod.
   9. Gamingboy Posted: October 01, 2010 at 03:36 AM (#3652484)
And in Tampa, if the ball hits the camera and bounces off and hits the catwalk, how many bases does the batter get?


Depends on how many Blerns there are.
   10. Shock Posted: October 01, 2010 at 03:43 AM (#3652485)
Shock
   11. Shock Posted: October 01, 2010 at 04:13 AM (#3652486)
And in Tampa, if the ball hits the camera and bounces off and hits the catwalk, how many bases does the batter get?


What happens if the ball lands on a bird's back and he carries it into foul territory but then is attacked by a larger bird who grabs the ball and drops it over the fence? Is that still a homerun?
   12. Harold Posted: October 01, 2010 at 04:14 AM (#3652487)
I know it's easy to poke fun at this sort of thing, but I think it will be pretty cool. The cable-cams in football get some really cool shots. I think it will be interesting to see baseball from some new angles.

Of course, it's Fox, so they'll play up the gimmick and do stupid things like use it for live shots (confusing the viewers), rather than sparingly show replays where the new vantage point adds to the viewers' understanding of what happened. But overall, I think most innovations like this are net positives.
   13. Shock Posted: October 01, 2010 at 04:20 AM (#3652489)
Of course, it's Fox, so they'll play up the gimmick and do stupid things like use it for live shots (confusing the viewers),


I'm thinking it will be used to see show us the Eagle they have circling the stadium with red and blue feathers and a FOX logo on its ass.
   14. rlc Posted: October 01, 2010 at 04:56 AM (#3652496)
operators [...] are supposed to keep those cameras away from fair and foul territory until pitches cross home plate.

So where do they keep the cameras? Earth Prime? Chronosynclastic infundibulae? The Twilight Zone?
   15. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:13 AM (#3652503)
I'm glad to see MLB has the sense to try this out in some unimportant games first to see what might go wrong before using it in important games that will receive worldwide media coverage.
   16. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:28 AM (#3652507)
What could possibly go wrong?
   17. Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 08:03 AM (#3652520)
When I saw the headline, I figured they'd use remote control helicopters or something. It seemed odd but potentially cool. But this...this is the sort of thing that could only come from Selig-era MLB and Fox.

And I'm trying to figure out if post #10 is most like "Talk Talk" by Talk Talk, "Bad Company" by Bad Company, or "Titus Andronicus" by Titus Andronicus.
   18. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 10:33 AM (#3652527)
Hopefully, this will cut into the number of HD super-closeups.


Not a chance. Those shots are "dramatic" and "make things more personal for the fan" and "distract us from how boring baseball is" and lots of other stuff too!
   19. villageidiom Posted: October 01, 2010 at 11:20 AM (#3652535)
And I'm trying to figure out if post #10 is most like "Talk Talk" by Talk Talk, "Bad Company" by Bad Company, or "Titus Andronicus" by Titus Andronicus.
"(In a) Big Country" by Big Country.
   20. Alex Vila Posted: October 01, 2010 at 12:12 PM (#3652544)
Not "Shock the Monkey"?
   21. bunyon Posted: October 01, 2010 at 12:24 PM (#3652550)
I can live without knowing how many blackheads Jeter has on his left nostril.

Pretty sure that's an advanced case of syphilis. Explains his drop in production and sale of his bachelor pad.


I figured hovering drones, too. The cable plan will provide cool shots - and, really, this is what Fox should be doing, playing with how to show the game better rather than how to show distractions better. But, yes, I expect problems.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 12:32 PM (#3652554)
Oh, the humanity!
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 01, 2010 at 12:49 PM (#3652560)
It's time to bring back Letterman's Monkey-Cam.
   24. Old Man James Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:09 PM (#3652571)
I still have nightmares about the Pujols cold sore.


John Lackey in HD is where boners go to die.
   25. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:22 PM (#3652578)
"What could possibly go wrong?" Ha, I like that. Very good.
   26. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:24 PM (#3652580)
This is the funniest thread I have read in a while.
   27. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: October 01, 2010 at 01:33 PM (#3652585)
I figured hovering drones, too.


What they really need are these things.
   28. Randy Jones Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:01 PM (#3652607)
And I'm trying to figure out if post #10 is most like "Talk Talk" by Talk Talk, "Bad Company" by Bad Company, or "Titus Andronicus" by Titus Andronicus.

"(In a) Big Country" by Big Country.


Nah, it's more like "Iron Maiden" by Iron Maiden, "Motorhead" by Motorhead, or "Black Sabbath" by Black Sabbath.
   29. deputydrew Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:02 PM (#3652608)
I'm in the distinct minority here, but I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and can add to my experience as a viewer. The broadcast technology in football has done wonders for the viewing experience and I'd rather see baseball experiment with new technology than be afraid of it. Is there the potential for problems? Sure. But any experiment or advancement comes with some risk. I hope they can avoid any kinks or major, game-affecting problems and that the new cameras make watching the game more enjoyable and the home viewer better informed.
   30. bunyon Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:08 PM (#3652613)
But any experiment or advancement comes with some risk.

Which is why you try it out in, preferably, spring training games or, short of that, regular season games between teams not likely to make the postseason. Bringing it out for the first time in the playoffs raises the risks a lot with no increase in potential payoff.


I don't think anyone is saying this won't be cool if it works. But if that cool shot comes at the cost of a series to a rightful winner, don't you think it'll be too high?
   31. Randy Jones Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:08 PM (#3652614)
I'm in the distinct minority here, but I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and can add to my experience as a viewer. The broadcast technology in football has done wonders for the viewing experience and I'd rather see baseball experiment with new technology than be afraid of it. Is there the potential for problems? Sure. But any experiment or advancement comes with some risk. I hope they can avoid any kinks or major, game-affecting problems and that the new cameras make watching the game more enjoyable and the home viewer better informed.


I don't think that most people in this thread have problems with the idea. It could be really useful. However, it should have been tested on random regular season games to work out any issues and as was mentioned previously, it's Fox. They are going to use it to get us overhead shots of whatever actor/actress from the show they are pushing this year they have planted in the stands or some other obnoxious ########.
   32. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:11 PM (#3652619)
"Bad Company" by Bad Company


off of the album, "Bad Company"
   33. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: October 01, 2010 at 02:11 PM (#3652620)
What happens if the ball lands on a bird's back and he carries it into foul territory but then is attacked by a larger bird who grabs the ball and drops it over the fence? Is that still a homerun?

Indoor stadium; problem solved.
   34. Perry Posted: October 01, 2010 at 04:38 PM (#3652761)
What happens if the ball lands on a bird's back and he carries it into foul territory but then is attacked by a larger bird who grabs the ball and drops it over the fence? Is that still a homerun?


African or European?
   35. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3652785)
If it's dropped over the fence behind the plate, is it a Chinese HR?
   36. djrelays Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3652795)
Brosnan says MLB doesn’t “have the ground rule just yet” about what would be called if that happened. And, he says the placement of cables over the field will be handled “on a case-by-case basis” to account for each ballpark’s layout. But overall, he says, MLB wants to keep cameras out of the way: “In our thirst to bring fans closer to the game, we still can’t intrude on the competition.”


Television has always had a pretty loose definition on what intrudes on the competition in all sports.
   37. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:18 PM (#3652800)
If it's dropped over the fence behind the plate, is it a Chinese HR?


Only if all the players in the dugout leap up and run around the bases backwards.
   38. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:41 PM (#3652811)
I'd help Fox out but my telekinesis is limited to bending spoons.

And yes, my god, when MLB and Fox get together all kind of stupid breaks out.
   39. Shock Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:46 PM (#3652819)
off of the album, "Bad Company"


Iron Maiden by Iron Maiden is also off the Iron Maiden album.

Only if all the players in the dugout leap up and run around the bases backwards.


Except for A-Rod, who cuts across the pitcher's mound.
   40. Randy Jones Posted: October 01, 2010 at 05:49 PM (#3652825)
off of the album, "Bad Company"


Iron Maiden by Iron Maiden is also off the Iron Maiden album.


The same is true for Motorhead and Black Sabbath. So any other examples people can come up with? Self titled song on a self titled album.
   41. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:02 PM (#3652845)
They are going to use it to get us overhead shots of whatever actor/actress from the show they are pushing this year

All will be forgiven if they deliver downblouse shots of Emily Deschanel.
   42. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:09 PM (#3652858)
Wilco (The Song) off Wilco (The Album) by Wilco.
   43. Shock Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:24 PM (#3652873)
I heard a cover of "Bad Company" the other day and it just seemed weird. How can any other band say "That's why they call me Bad Company?" Hmm
   44. phatj Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:33 PM (#3652876)
"Living in a Box" by Living in a Box
   45. Walt Davis Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:34 PM (#3652878)
Icehouse Icehouse Icehouse (I recall liking that song back in 1979)

Too easy really. But are there any solo performers (preferably under their real name) who've done it?
   46. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:38 PM (#3652881)
What #41 said. And yes, this is the funniest thread in quite awhile.
   47. Lassus Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:44 PM (#3652887)
#44 might win so far.

The best i can do is "White Queen" off the album Queen II by Queen. But that's kind of a stretch.
   48. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:48 PM (#3652890)
Too easy really. But are there any solo performers (preferably under their real name) who've done it?


Does King Diamond count?
   49. Cabbage Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:51 PM (#3652896)
But are there any solo performers (preferably under their real name) who've done it?

Depending on how you want to read the collected body of Proust, maybe In Search of Lost Time. To paraphrase the Monty Python All-England Proust Summary Competition, the books is basically "Marcel by Marcel"
   50. TerpNats Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:54 PM (#3652899)
No one has brought up "Bo Diddley" by Bo Diddley? As Rich Ashburn would have said, hard to believe, Harry, hard to believe.
   51. Lassus Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:55 PM (#3652901)
But are there any solo performers (preferably under their real name) who've done it?

"My Name is Prince", by Prince, off the album that was titled as his new symbol name.
   52. Shock Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:56 PM (#3652902)
There's also "Ass-hole" by Denis Leary.

Hey, cool, a double escape. That is interesting...
   53. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 01, 2010 at 06:57 PM (#3652903)

The same is true for Motorhead and Black Sabbath. So any other examples people can come up with? Self titled song on a self titled album.


Public Image, by Public Image, on the album Public Image.
   54. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 01, 2010 at 07:07 PM (#3652911)
"Minor Threat" by Minor Threat was on the EP Minor Threat. Does that count?
   55. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: October 01, 2010 at 07:18 PM (#3652917)
Alas, "Talk Talk" by Talk Talk is from an album entitled "The Party's Over". Otherwise, we would have had a clear winner.
   56. Swoboda is freedom Posted: October 01, 2010 at 07:26 PM (#3652923)
Talk Talk was off the album Talk Talk.
   57. rlc Posted: October 01, 2010 at 07:29 PM (#3652925)
Self titled song on a self titled album.


Major DJ pet peeve. The word you want is eponymous.

Following the pattern of self-published and self-edited, self-titled means he/she/they made up the title. Whenever I hear "That was from X's self-titled album," my reaction is "What are their other albums - agent-titled? focus group-titled? elf-titled?"




And while you're at it, get the hell off my lawn, you delinquents!
   58. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: October 01, 2010 at 07:37 PM (#3652929)
Rank and File, by Rank and File.
   59. Randy Jones Posted: October 01, 2010 at 07:38 PM (#3652930)
Major DJ pet peeve. The word you want is eponymous.


Wikipedia says you're wrong and I should have hyphenated.
   60. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: October 01, 2010 at 07:42 PM (#3652934)
"My Name is Prince", by Prince, off the album that was titled as his new symbol name.


I just gotta say I happened to see the old video for "Gett Off" on TV the other night and that jut has to be the horniest video ever made. I'm not saying that there aren't other videos that are smuttier or show more skin, but in terms of raw horny, this has to be the king.
   61. villageidiom Posted: October 01, 2010 at 08:05 PM (#3652955)
No one has brought up "Bo Diddley" by Bo Diddley?

Never heard him play.

***** OBVIOUS JOKE SETUP ALERT *****
   62. HCO, Transgressive Herbivore Posted: October 01, 2010 at 08:42 PM (#3652972)
New Kids On The Block had a self-titled song on a self-titled album.

There's probably a music database that would make this a simple query.
   63. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: October 01, 2010 at 08:52 PM (#3652978)
There's probably a music database that would make this a simple query.


Music-Reference.com?
   64. Shock Posted: October 01, 2010 at 08:53 PM (#3652979)
If I were a singer I would go by the pseudonym Eponymous.

Music-Reference.com?


Purchased!
   65. Adam B. Posted: October 01, 2010 at 09:28 PM (#3653007)


I just gotta say I happened to see the old video for "Gett Off" on TV the other night and that jut has to be the horniest video ever made.
Is that the one with the assless yellow pants? Or am I thinking about the '79 Pirates victory celebration?
   66. Athletic Supporter leads the nation in drifters Posted: October 01, 2010 at 09:51 PM (#3653017)
It doesn't fit the album, but "They Might Be Giants" by They Might Be Giants.

A quick google turned up this list (see also comments), most of which have been mentioned.

Outrageously, a similar list was deleted from Wikipedia for being not important enough.
   67. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 01, 2010 at 10:19 PM (#3653033)
"Who Are You," by the Who, from the album "Who Are You"?
   68. CFiJ Posted: October 01, 2010 at 10:32 PM (#3653040)
No one has brought up "Bo Diddley" by Bo Diddley?


Never heard him play.

***** OBVIOUS JOKE SETUP ALERT *****

Okay, I'll do it. Then you don't know Diddley.
   69. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 01, 2010 at 10:33 PM (#3653041)
Did the Ramones really do "R.A.M.O.N.E.S."? I thought that was a Motorhead song.
   70. dingo powered war machine (CoB) Posted: October 01, 2010 at 11:01 PM (#3653052)
Hah! Got one the list missed!

Post-apocalyptic Metalcore band Carnivore*, with the song "Carnivore", off the album with the same name!

*Lead singer was Peter Steele, who later put Type O Negative together and who died earlier this year, making me feel old.

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