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Monday, September 24, 2007

Free-agent Pedro Feliz looks for multiyear contract

...and I’m looking for the ultra-rare “Basher #5” 45 by Mike Waggoner & The Bops. So there!

With all due respect, if Pedro Feliz returns to the Giants in 2008, he’d like a multiyear contract. Feliz was a free agent for the first time last winter and preferred a one-year deal, hoping to have a better season at the plate to raise his market value.

“I’d be happy to be back,” Feliz said. “If I can work that out, it wouldn’t be for one (year). ... Who wouldn’t” want multiple years?

...“He’s been so consistent over the years, and he’s so stable emotionally,” manager Bruce Bochy said. “He’s the same guy every day, just a model of consistency. And to me, he should be the Gold Glove winner.”

Feliz is second to Atlanta’s Chipper Jones in fielding percentage among National League third basemen. Asked if he’d like Feliz back in ‘08, Bochy said, “Any manager is going to like Pedro Feliz.”

Thanks to the Watson Fanhouse.

Repoz Posted: September 24, 2007 at 10:45 PM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:20 PM (#2540629)
Feliz was a free agent for the first time last winter and preferred a one-year deal, hoping to have a better season at the plate to raise his market value.

He then had exactly the same season he had had in 2006, except with fewer strikeouts and with a few missed games.
   2. Fred C. Dobbs Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:27 PM (#2540638)
Hasta luego Pedro (well, hopefully).
   3. The District Attorney Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:32 PM (#2540650)
Aren't his fielding stats (not fielding percentage, but real stats) very good? It's possible he could help some teams. It'd help if they played in a homer park. And also if they were, y'know, bad teams.

One year does sound wise, though.
   4. OCF Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:34 PM (#2540656)
One thing you can say about Feliz over his career: he's been consistent. Here are the year-by-year values of his own OBP minus the (park adjusted) league average OBP from bb-ref: -.052, -.063. -.061, -.040, -.041, -.062, -.055. All of that averages to -.051 (.288 versus an average of .339). And his SLG has avereged to equal to league SLG. He's not young (33 next year).

Does any Primate want this man for the team he or she roots for?
   5. Steve Treder Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:36 PM (#2540662)
His fielding is genuinely excellent, both in objective measurements and in subjective evaluations. But his hitting is just not acceptable from an everyday third baseman.

Feliz would make a real solid utility player, but that's the limit of how he can be an asset.
   6. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:37 PM (#2540664)
I do, he's better than Wes Helms and Abraham Nuñez. I know the concept of carrying a bad bat is a logical fallacy, but the Phillies can carry a bad bat at third. They've been doing it for years and not getting good fielding either. One or the other would be nice.

Not that the Phillies should make anything other than pitching a priority this offseason, of course.
   7. TFTIO is a very stable genius Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:43 PM (#2540688)
Here's how terrible Nick Punto is:

I've watched Feliz at least 20 times in person and probably 80 times on TV this season. And I would gladly take him over Punto.
   8. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:47 PM (#2540693)
John McDonald got what, 2 years at $4 million for being a great fielder but a bad hitter even for a shortstop? And he's in his early 30s too.

Feliz's one-year contract for 2006 was for $4 million. Why so much? Fielding at 3B is not more important than fielding at SS. On the other hand, he does have 20-homer power, as opposed to McDonald's 0-homer power.

If the Phillies can sign him for two years and $3 million per year or something, it would work out well. After all, as Bochy says, his consistency is very consistent and he really plays with a lot of consistency.
   9. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 24, 2007 at 11:59 PM (#2540709)
Bochy's point about Feliz's consistent consistency is spot on. Look at his splits, or lack thereof. Against RHP, against LHP, April, May, June, July, August, men on, bases empty, RISP, close and late, flyball pitchers, groundball pitchers, day night, no matter what, he hits around .250, has an OBP around .290, and a SLG around .440. And those stats make him basically Abraham Nunez with power. Not bad at all, at least in comparison to Abraham Nunez without powe.
   10. Bhaakon Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:07 AM (#2540718)
Not that bad, but certainly not good. I wouldn't overly disappointed if the Giants re-signed him, but not for a multi-year deal. All the Giants have to do is offer arbitration and he'd probably see his suitors (if there are any) evaporate.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:09 AM (#2540724)
Seriously, I hereby call upon Phillies bloggers to beat the drum for signing Pedro Feliz this offseason. He's exactly what we need. Let it be so!
   12. Rally Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:13 AM (#2540734)
A good role for him would be the short end of a 3B platoon, plus getting into late inning games on defense, though he's not a lefty masher, his platoon split is small. Versatility is a plus, he's played all the corner positions, plus some shortstop and even a game at catcher.

Bochy's right, I think any manager would love to have him, but not as a starting 3B.
   13. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:17 AM (#2540740)
AROM makes another good point, Feliz is more versatile than Abraham Nuñez fielding-wise (many games at LF when Bonds is on the bench). Nuñez is just an infielder.
   14. Steve Treder Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:20 AM (#2540744)
Bochy's right, I think any manager would love to have him, but not as a starting 3B.

Exactly, he would be very useful in a utility role. It's the way the outs pile up when he's soaking up 500-600 plate appearances that becomes the problem.
   15. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:21 AM (#2540748)
It's the way the outs pile up when he's soaking up 500-600 plate appearances that becomes the problem.

See, some teams have grown accustomed to that from their third basemen. Adding defensive prowess and 20-homer power would be a great improvement.
   16. Steve Treder Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:26 AM (#2540757)
Adding defensive prowess and 20-homer power would be a great improvement.

Well, okay, but generally the idea isn't to seek to improve black holes all the way up to gray ones, but instead to actually get winning performance from a given position.
   17. The Balls of Summer Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:07 AM (#2540841)
..."He’s been so consistent over the years, and he’s so stable emotionally,” manager Bruce Bochy said. “He’s the same guy every day, just a model of consistency. And to me, he should be the Gold Glove winner.”


All of this is true....it doesn't change the fact that he's a frustratingly sh*tty hitter.

That being said, I'd like to see the Giants give him another year....they're going to be terrible and they have no third base prospects, so they might as well give Cain and Lincecum some good defense.
   18. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:20 AM (#2540869)
That being said, I'd like to see the Giants give him another year....they're going to be terrible and they have no third base prospects, so they might as well give Cain and Lincecum some good defense.

Good point. He ain't good, but what are the alternatives? Could they get Betemit from NY? Hannahan from Oakland? Iwamura from Tampa? Fields from Chicago? Ensberg from San Diego? If they're going to cut bait they should, you know, have someone in mind.
   19. rawagman Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:42 AM (#2540893)
John McDonald got what, 2 years at $4 million for being a great fielder but a bad hitter even for a shortstop? And he's in his early 30s too.

Feliz's one-year contract for 2006 was for $4 million. Why so much? Fielding at 3B is not more important than fielding at SS. On the other hand, he does have 20-homer power, as opposed to McDonald's 0-homer power.


I heartily disagree with the above statement. Not only does John McDonald have awe-inspiring defense, he also has 1 (one) home run power. Some might even go so far as to say 2 home run power.
   20. franoscar Posted: September 25, 2007 at 03:01 AM (#2541049)
It's the way the outs pile up when he's soaking up 500-600 plate appearances that becomes the problem.

See, some teams have grown accustomed to that from their third basemen. Adding defensive prowess and 20-homer power would be a great improvement
.

Outs, defensive prowess and 20 HRs/year (well 19/year over the last 3 years) = Brandon Inge! I guess the Tigers don't need Feliz.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 25, 2007 at 03:06 AM (#2541052)
Inge also has about 40 more points of OBP. But they're closer than I would have imagined.
   22. Spahn Insane Posted: September 25, 2007 at 03:14 AM (#2541067)
I heartily disagree with the above statement. Not only does John McDonald have awe-inspiring defense, he also has 1 (one) home run power. Some might even go so far as to say 2 home run power.

What--you don't even mention that McDonald helps old ladies across the street, heals torn ACLs with a tap on the ankle, and records mood music guaranteed to get you laid?
   23. PatrickInTheWoods, Apostate Posted: September 25, 2007 at 03:27 AM (#2541081)
Crispix, third base suckiness has hit you pretty hard, huh? Don't we need ARod down there? Think big, baby. He's gotta be a better owner than Monty and the Teflonics.
   24. 1k5v3L Posted: September 25, 2007 at 03:35 AM (#2541093)
Feliz makes sense to a team with a hole at 3b that has tons of OBP at other positions and can use his power lower in the lineup. In fact, the Twins should strongly consider moving Ford Pinto to 2b and signing Feliz.
   25. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 25, 2007 at 03:37 AM (#2541098)
Feliz makes sense to a team with a hole at 3b that has tons of OBP at other positions and can use his power lower in the lineup.

I already said the Phillies should sign him, Moorad.
   26. 1k5v3L Posted: September 25, 2007 at 03:39 AM (#2541101)
I already said the Phillies should sign him, Moorad.


Well, in that case, an 8 year, 160m deal will be the starting point of our negotiations with Gillick
   27. stealfirstbase Posted: September 25, 2007 at 05:23 AM (#2541192)
Maybe the Giants would like Joe Crede? He's a younger Pedro Feliz, with more power but prone to injury.

He won't make much more in his last year of arb than 4.5 million.
   28. Ginger Nut Posted: September 25, 2007 at 05:24 AM (#2541193)
These Giants remind me more and more of the Giants of the mid 80s. Ohhh, do you guys think Tom O'Malley will be good? Joel Youngblood is a great guy in the clubhouse. That Brad Wellman sure is a sparkplug. Etc etc. When you're even discussing names like these as starting players, it's beyond hopeless. Who cares if they bring back Feliz? Bring back Tom O'Malley to play 3rd base.

I moved to Canada a couple of years ago, but not Toronto. Is it legitimate for me to become a Blue Jays fan? I have XM but I can't even listen to the Giants games any more.
   29. Justin T seeks a heterospecific consortship Posted: September 25, 2007 at 05:33 AM (#2541198)
Of course, Feliz appears to be stable emotionally, but in reality he is simply brain dead.
   30. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:21 PM (#2541260)
Not only does John McDonald have awe-inspiring defense, he also has 1 (one) home run power. Some might even go so far as to say 2 home run power.

But does he have real ultimate power?
   31. MSI Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:33 PM (#2541324)
His bat isn't THAT bad, not as bad as McDonald's...one should hit around a 600 OPS, and one should hit around a 700 OPS....and also, OBP is important but less important than SLG, so his 433 SLG can't be ignored. He reminds me more of Juan Uribe. I think he's a touch better than utility, but just a pretty bad regular (you could do worse).
   32. Bhaakon Posted: September 25, 2007 at 05:23 PM (#2541707)
Claiming that OBP is less important than slugging? Touting .433 as an impressive slugging percentage?

Who are you, Feliz's agent?

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