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This is perhaps one of the most annoying practices in Hollywood to me. You can't just slap some glasses on a hot girl and make her a nerd. There's a whole personality of insecurity, self-loathing, and tragedy you have to fit in as well. If a hot girl can manage that as well, then maybe I'll give her a chance.
It's like a convincing drunk scene for me. You see it done poorly so often that on the rare times it's done right it's amazing. I just saw an episode of Peep Show where David Mitchell meets and falls for a nerdy girl done well...it was something special.
EDIT: I will note that Miss Hannigan isn't my cup of tea...but to each his own.
Men OR women who look really good become exponentially more attractive when they're not at all tryhard.
Idris Elba is another one. That guy pisses me off, because he seems like a cool dude, and he just WAKES UP LOOKING LIKE THAT.
I've never really found him funny, in fact whenever I see him do comedy I generally come off with the impression that he can't act.
That reminds me, Eliza Dushku worked extremely well on Buffy for my then teenage self.
Barfly, Mickey Rourke...there is no better example of this.
Yes. And that's why I'd consider Emma Watson to be the most attractive celebrity, even if not the hottest.
Simon Amstell's stand up provides a line that rings true to me.
"I was in Paris recently with a group of new people. One of which was a sort of kooky, interesting girl. But in hindsight...not that interesting. I always get fooled. I always think, 'oh she seems fascinating'. Is she Simon? Or does she just have short hair?"
Melissa Joan Hart. Looked decent (not hot, but okay) in her Teenage Witch days; not even remotely attractive now in her 30's.
Really? I was gonna put her on my earlier list of supposedly hot celebs that I didn't find even slightly attractive, but I figured she wouldn't fit that category cuz I doubted anyone else found her attractive either. The scene in Dark Knight where the joker is threatening her, calling her beautiful, etc, is almost laughable to me just because of how clearly NON-beautiful she actually is. I'll bet even a straight guy like Heath Ledger had a harder time faking attraction towards her than he did with her brother in Brokeback.
I didn't think she was very cute in the American Pie movies and I never saw Buffy (wasn't she in that?), but she's actually getting better looking with age, IMO. She looks pretty good sometimes on HIMYM (at least up through the 6th season - haven't seen the later two yet). I'd actually rather hook up with her than Cobie Smulders now, something I never would have said during the shows first few seasons.
I think that's why beauty can be so hard to convey in these threads using photos. Or how I have difficulty wrapping my head around the beauty of models. It's an all-encompassing quality, and I find it hard to judge without watching someone walk and talk and exist as a human being (albeit for the purposes of this discussion usually in the form of playing one in a movie).
Barfly, Mickey Rourke...there is no better example of this.
Drinks for all my friends!!!
Ellen Barkin. Very pretty in Diner, hot in Sea of Love. Dropped off real quick after that.
Jennifer Love-Hewitt. Cute and kinda sexy in Party of 5. Just not as nice looking in Ghost Whisperer.
Kudrow over Aniston -- Aniston is so clingy and whiny and needy she's never done a thing for me
Old-School Beckinsale -- Yes
Blake Lively vs. Leighton Meester -- Meester
Zooey -- Yes
The bird that plays Cece on that show -- Yes
Alison Brie -- Yes
Cobie Smulders way over Hanigan
Jennifer Connelly -- Yes, indeed.
Theron looked damn good in Prometheus
Hall of Merit, 50s version: Grace Kelly, Jean Seberg.
Liked Neve Campbell from that era.
Oh, Natalie Portman -- Yes, indeed.
Kathleen Turner for sure
Meg Ryan
Nicolette Sheridan
Elizabeth Taylor in her later years
Christina Aguilera
Teri Hatcher
Hey, where is Sam M these days? This conversation is reminding me of the time I expressed a certain fondness for Lucy Lawless, and he said that even as a gay man he found her too mannish.
Not really the type we're discussing, but Jenna Jameson and her new fish face has to be in here.
Kirstie Alley. Never really very good looking, I guess, but she's dropped way, WAY below even the average-ish looks she had in Cheers.
Also Molly Ringwald. Not pretty but at least okay in her 80's heyday. Below average by her mid 20's in the 90's (The Stand). Very unappealing in her 40's (Secret Life of the American Teen).
And of course, Sarah Jessica Parker. Never super pretty, but she was at least a little cute in LA Story 20 years ago. Now she just looks like a man in drag.
Man, I don't know. For me, she faces the deal-breaker that in my mind, she's still about ten or eleven years old.
It's funnier if you struggle remembering which one is Emma Watson and which is Emily Watson.
And, on the opposite end, Carey Mulligan. That is all.
This.
And, on the opposite end, Carey Mulligan. That is all.
And this.
I will third this also.
Probably, but she's only six years younger than me. Just a mental thing, I guess.
I caught a bit of whatever short-lived TV show she was on recently and almost didn't recognize her. She doesn't look bad at all, just... different, in a way I couldn't quite place. And no longer especially attractive.
Happy Endings - It's not short-lived yet, still on the air.
I always confuse this person with Elisha Cook.
I'm always surprised she hasn't turned into a big star...very pretty, a talented actress, and charming in a sort of sardonic, Robert-Downey-Jr. kind of way.
It's a shame, because there are a lot of male actors (like Downey) who trade on that kind of thing. Sometimes I wonder if Hollywood just isn't willing to go for an actress/female character who doesn't fall back on the helpless-pretty-girl-in-trouble act.
Part of what I like about Emma Stone is that she's one of the few A-list actresses under 40 that I've seen who's capable of coming off as smart.
Unfortunately, she lost it within five years.
I read a column recently written by a random woman that used to be hot. She said that she could pinpoint the moment she lost it: guys on the street stopped looking twice at her and checking her out. She said it was a very lonely, empty feeling. (Contra feminism which teaches that it is degrading to women when men view women as sex objects, I guess.)
There are two terrible shows that I've watched large quantities of basically because of one thoroughly terrible but very good-looking actress. One is Smallville (Kristen Kreuk) and the other is 24.
I am not proud.
Kathleen Turner for sure
Meg Ryan
Nicolette Sheridan
Elizabeth Taylor in her later years
Christina Aguilera
Teri Hatcher
More old time but Shelly Winters. Very hot young starlet, then fat.
She was a horse in the Poseidon Adventure.
Rosemary Clooney perhaps fits here.
1) the tastes of men attracted to women and women attracted to women intersect very little;
2) I don't watch enough television or see enough movies to know who most of these people are;
3) I'm not the only person who watched something horrible just to see the attractive person in it.
- hello boyZ
attractive female celebrities? who knows what they look like without all the photoshopping/CGI. most White females look like they haven't eaten anything but cigarettes in weeks. kate upton is not chunky, but at least she looks as if she eats actual food. minka kelly?? bleccccchhhh
gabrielle union is unbelieveably beautiful. and so was viveca fox.
as for the blonds/attractiveness - well i once asked Husband if he thought jennifer aniston/gwenyth paltrow/usual blond actresses were hot and he said he'd rather nail helen mirren. so i said - but she older than your mother!!! and he said well, then don't ask and i won't tell.
You People are simply impossible
as for male celebrities and male attractiveness
well there ray, hate to tell you but it is unbelieveable how men over 35 or so are significantly less goodlooking than they were 10 years and 30 pounds ago.
hot celebrities?
well i think regular readers of this column know very well who i think the HOTTTTTT White boys are - the few around baseball i like. buster posey and matt holliday are kind of the gwyneth paltrows of the male world - good features, good body, NOT even a little bit sexy.
i don't get the brad pitt is sexy. not at all. not even a little. never did. jon hamm is as attractive as a piece of ham. uck.
i see hotter White guys around houston ( i mean SEXIER, you smartasses) than on tv. no makeup and they don't look phony. and they got NICE clean faces too. there was one FINE boy in the kroger last weekend and - well, i'm a good little grrl, so nevermind
i LUUUVVVVV morris chestnut, shemar moore, terrence howard, jet li, omar epps. oh yeah - daniel dae kim and alex o'laughlin. i watch their show even though it is really stupid just to look at them. i would like eric christian olsen if he got rid of that hideous face hair. him and jayson werth can just line up for me to give em a NICE clean shave and a lil haircut and a heapin helpin of flava...
however, hotttttest actor EVAH is russell wong.
Helen Mirren definitely still has it going on. I agree. I would "date" her over gwyneth paltrow.
That would be an Anna Benson thread.
This is silly. There is no way you sleep with a 65 year old Helen Mirren over a 40 year old Gwyneth Paltrow.
And as a 48 year old guy, for once, I agree with Ray.
Hall of Merit, 50s version: Grace Kelly
Inner circle Hall of Fame.
Absolutely, no doubt, hands down. shut the door. case closed.
And when you open that door, Ms. Kelly just might have a surprise for you....
Not from a attractiveness stand-point, but simply one of actresses, Kate Hudson has a really promising beginning, Almost Famous, followed by a really disappointing career. It took me longer than it should have to realize Scarlet Johanson had followed a similar path after Lost in Translation.
Speaking of Helen Mirren and treating objects like women, man...
This interview of a young Helen Mirren by Michael Parkinson is a pretty striking example. "She's especially telling in projecting sluttish eroticism" - what a classy introduction!
Ray is shocked to find some people enjoying degrading things. Well, claims to be shocked. What he does with that gimp costume is his business.
For proven veteran leadership (TM), I turn to Olivia Williams and Kristin Scott-Thomas.
Also, why doesn't Rita Hayworth ever get any mentions when people start talking old school?
For proven veteran leadership (TM), I turn to Olivia Williams and Kristin Scott-Thomas.
I really like Olivia Williams and Rachel Weisz.
Helen Mirren is a woman. She's a bit old now, but even in her mid-50's she was still sexy as far as I'm concerned. She was in some movie in the late 60's where she played a muse to an artist and swam aroudn in the ocean naked. It has the very off-putting title "Age of Consent", but since she was 23/24 when it was filmed I'm not feeling any shame.
Andie McDowell was always a fave of mine.
Kristen Scott-Thomas is sexy on some levels, but her eyes looked like they've been half chiseled out by a crow or something. I find her unhealthy looking. GregUK probably likes her!
Look, it's obviously not going to happen in either case, and this is all meant in fun for all of us, I presume....but Helen Mirren has a better figure than Gwyneth Paltrow. She really does, especially if you prefer a certain body type. Plus, there is the Gordie Howe Sex Club to think of. I've only got the 1960s and 1970s checked off.
I find her to be downright boyish.
Bridget Fonda
Mira Sorvino
and Thora Birch
I did her sardonic wit and thinly veiled depression in Four Weddings and a Funeral.
I realize this is going to be all kinds of awkward to announce, but I think this is the quality that she, along with Ellen Page and a younger Winona Ryder have, that draws me in. Ideally I'd find a word to describe it better than "boyish", but I think we're giving different names to a very similar quality.
I really hope this makes sense.
So Ghost World makes a career? I honestly can't remember her being in anything else.
American Beauty. Though I would agree. I'd describe her narrative more as "initial promise that never really got off the ground".
I have seen American Beauty, but can't remember one detail about it other than I think Kevin Spacey was in it. Probably for the best.
I agree with your updated narrative. She never had anything comparable to a Keaton peak-then-disappearance.
That sounds a bit better, thanks!
Yeah, you're right, but she was much better looking than Keaton.
edit: I don't really think of Fonda as having a huge career before disappearing either.
I always struggle with this stuff. Not the objectification per se - these are people who have, by and large, chosen to be commodified in that way - but there's a distancing, from the screen to the eye, that I have trouble bridging. It's part of why I've never made a list of the "celebrity it'd be okay for me to cheat on an SO with" variety (well, mainly that I find that idea creepy on a number of levels) - I can't get past 'sure, that famous person is attractive too, no surprise there'. Yes, there are a handful of names listed above where I don't see the appeal or where I'd agree that they're particularly striking, but that's different from thinking that I'd want to be with them.
Yes, I know I'm taking this subject the wrong way / differently than others do - that's my point.
I just read it now....pretty messed up indeed. Poor girl.
Sofia Vergara is 40s hot in every sense.
I am ashamed of how many times I've watched Beautiful Girls mostly to watch a far too young Natalie Portman.
I saw Mars Attacks with a friend. When Natalie Portman came on screen, he told me a lot of his friends really wanted her. I said, "Dude, she's like 15." "See Beautiful Girls, you'll understand."
A few months later, I saw Beautiful Girls. I phoned him and told him I understood.
Now, though, I find her beautiful but not sexy.
Jan Hooks
Is that the worst movie ever to win Best Picture? Has to be up there.
Edit: Having skimmed the list on Wiki, I have to say yes, at least of the ~75% I've seen.
Only if you are assuming that are operating under our rules. There is a lot of publicity management that goes on with models and actors. I could easily see a scenario where they agree to this answer because they are casually dating and it is good to keep both names in the spotlight. Similar to the actress who cheated on her boyfriend getting back together with him just in time to promote their new movie.
There's a lot of competition for that honor. I don't really get why people even take the Oscars seriously anymore. Hey everyone, here's some mediocre crap for ya!
I don't mind the mediocrity if it's at least light, entertaining mediocrity (e.g. Gladiator, Braveheart, The King's Speech), but I can't stand moralistic mediocrity that gets off posing about how deep and meaningful it is.
Speaking of Mars Attacks, Lisa Marie (Tim Burton's wife, not Elvis's daughter) is (or was) extremely hot.
Yeah, but Salma Hayek has it all over her.
Yes, I'd agree to that.
Historically speaking, there's really tough competition for that honor. Looking back through the list, starting with recent strings like English Patient / Braveheart / Forrest Gump, you've got lots and lots of candidates. Out of Africa. Gandhi. The bizarre 1960s string of ghastly musicals: Oliver, The Sound of Music, My Fair Lady. Around the World in 80 Days. The Greatest Show on Earth. Olivier's Hamlet, geez, that's hard to sit through. Going My Way. The Life of Emile Zola, which can be fun in an MST3000 sort of way, but as a film, a huge can of corn.
I thought American Beauty was intriguing when I saw it (first run, in the theatre), but have never been interested in seeing it again. I'd give it mixed marks. I am the same age as Spacey and his character, and I naturally identified with the mid-life-crisis theme, but I know a lot, lot of younger men who see it as cheaply cynical. And I thought the tortured young filmmaker stuff with the paper sacks twisting in the wind was badly done. Nothing wrong with Bening and Spacey as the leads, though, as I recall it. It's a clichéd situation, but if you avoid them you don't go to many movies at all.
One of the reasons I love BTF is that it is confirmed that I'm not entirely crazy for how much I love this movie. Even has a Mira Sorvino sighting!
Not in a world in which The English Patient received the award.
(Or Slumdog Millionaire or The King's Speech or....)
I thought American Beauty was intriguing when I saw it (first run, in the theatre), but have never been interested in seeing it again.
That's the key to me. A lot of those "bad" movies you list I'll watch if they're on TV, and I'm sitting around doing nothing.
American Beauty?; wouldn't even pause long enough for the picture to come up on the screen.
(Or Slumdog Millionaire or The King's Speech or....)
Never saw The English Patient (or Out of Africa), but I didn't hate "The King's speech" or "Slumdog...". Not great, or even very good, but certainly watchable.
I know Lassus has often expressed an undying love for that movie, but I think that's just his love for Carey Mulligan blinding him.
I think I had the same reaction as you...it's not the type of movie I usually like (ie. violent) but I found myself really enjoying it. I read an interview from the director where he described how he was heavily influenced by Brothers Grimm fairy tales in creating it (did he write and direct? I forget) that made sense to me. Ryan Gosling as a kind of inhuman hero coming in from some unexplained ether and then returning to it.
Jude Law and Hugh Jackman top my list.
Ben Affleck looks like a himbo, but the man wrote Good Will Hunting when he was 6, so he’s gotta be smart, but I’ve always found Matt Damon to be little less good-looking but with more substance. Ryan Gosling is the same – gorgeous, with substance.
Brad Cooper seem like a total himbo, but a lot of fun. Same with Ryan Reynolds.
I reserve a special place in my heart for pretty boys: Pierce Brosnan, young Tom Cruise, Jake Gyllenhall. Not quite sure I put Bradd Pitt in this category, but he has his good days.
I dislike when perfectly ordinary-looking guys get superstar roles. Hated Justin Long and Shia Lebouf, and now Andrew Garfield for that. Henry Cavill – loved him in The Tudors, and he’s a perfectly suitable Superman.
Salma Hayek has an oddly square shaped head. Never stopped her from being incredibly hot, but still an unusual feature for such an attractive celebrity.
Charmed - three hot leads
Rehab Addict - DIY network show about a spunky little blond hottie who restores historical homes
I liked Drive, or rather I enjoyed watching it and thought it was different enough to be interesting. Everyone I was with HATED it though. It seems a very polarizing movie and worth watching, but I am not sure it was good.
And in a rare burst of agreement with Ray ... The English Patient was horrible beyond belief. American Beauty was pretentious but otherwise fine. The King's Speech was very good I thought, but perhaps the fact I saw it with my eldest boy who has gone through speech therapy and loved it influenced me.
Since we're kind of on the subject, the range of movies Gosling has been in recently I find impressive. Drive, Crazy, Stupid Love, Ides of March, Blue Valentine. They range from really good movies to ok, to pretty bad. But Gosling plays pretty starkly different characters in all of them and is part of the reason the good ones are good, and not really the reason Crazy, Stupid Love is bad.
What I find interesting is the agreement/disagreement between men and women as to which male stars are attractive.
There's a certain set of male celebs where guys "get" their attractiveness, and another set where we're dumfounded by what women see in them.
You must hate French movies!
My gf likes Ewan McGregor and Jude Law. She REALLY like Thom Yorke, though. Go figure.
I liked Drive, or rather I enjoyed watching it and thought it was different enough to be interesting. Everyone I was with HATED it though. It seems a very polarizing movie and worth watching, but I am not sure it was good.
I thought it was good. I didn't like that they made the meaning of the scorpion imagery so explicit, though. I guess they worried a lot of people would miss it and think the Gosling character just liked ugly jackets.
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