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Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Freep: Tigers’ Justin Verlander neither confirms nor denies he’s dating Kate Upton

People shriek on the streets of Michigan when they see Verlander in person. He can’t stop at a gas pump or go grocery shopping. Everyone knows where he lives in the off-season (Troy), what he eats the night before he pitches (Taco Bell, for three crunchy Taco Supremes, a Cheesy Gordita Crunch and a Mexican Pizza, hold the tomatoes) and where he grabs his morning coffee.

Justin Verlander: wins Cy Youngs, dates supermodels, eats crap.

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   301. Greg K Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4284099)
Just another note

Jude Law and Hugh Jackman top my list.

Have you seen Anna Karenina? I thought Jude Law was pretty interesting in that. They obviously toned his sex appeal way down for it, but I thought he did a really good job of making Alexei a stuffed shirt, but still conflicted and sympathetic.
   302. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4284101)
American Beauty isn't in the top 10 of worst movies to win best picture. It's not great, but it's light years better than Forrest Gump, Braveheart, and Crash, just to name a few recent examples.

Carey Mulligan does absolutely nothing for me. Ditto Kate Hudson.

Jennifer Connelly in Career Opportunities is the sexiest woman who ever lived.

I like Casey Wilson a lot. Lizzy Caplan is very cute.

Laetitia Casta is in my inner circle.
   303. BDC Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4284102)
I don't mind the mediocrity if it's at least light, entertaining mediocrity

I agree; among the Best Pictures I'd put Gladiator and Titanic in that category. Those were fun films to watch, though to conceive of them as being "Best" anything is a stretch. Titanic was an impressive technical achievement, too.
   304. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4284104)
American Beauty isn't in the top 10 of worst movies to win best picture. It's not great, but it's light years better than Forrest Gump, Braveheart, and Crash, just to name a few recent examples.


I don't know, I'd watch Forrest Gump five times, and Braveheart ten times before sitting through American Beauty again.
   305. Lassus Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4284106)
I agree with Ray that The English Patient was crap.

I thought Drive was a meandering art-house/neue-violence mashup that did not work at all.
   306. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM (#4284107)

I agree; among the Best Pictures I'd put Gladiator and Titanic in that category. Those were fun films to watch, though to conceive of them as being "Best" anything is a stretch. Titanic was an impressive technical achievement, too.


Gladiator needed one more big battle at the end, but yes. I was rooting for the ocean at the end, but agree on Titanic.
   307. BDC Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4284108)
Crash was a facile film. Somebody explained its Oscar by noting that it would be hard to find anyone in Hollywood who hadn't worked on it. It is a melodramatic knockoff of Robert Altman's Short Cuts, which is a fascinating if uneven movie (as you can say of all Altman's movies).
   308. Lassus Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4284109)
Forrest Gump is not the worst film to win Best Picture. It is the worst film ever made.
   309. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4284110)
I basically agree re Braveheart -- terrible movie IMO, but I'll watch the battle scenes because they're entertaining. And I have almost no interest in rewatching American Beauty. But then, I'd much rather watch Airplane on a Saturday afternoon than Schindler's List. Doesn't make it a better movie.

Casey Wilson somehow manages to be cute and sexy without being particularly pretty. It's an unusual combo. Paltrow is pretty without being cute or sexy (although the young Paltrow was sexy).
   310. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4284111)
Love Drive.

American Beauty is pretentious drivel (suburbia breeds repression and longing and closet fascists -- Jesus, we get it already). Crash was worse.
   311. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4284112)
No, Crash is the worst film ever made.
   312. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4284114)
Speaking of movies just randomly...the gf really loves costume dramas. She had this one movie on the other day where Hugh Grant played Chopin--the composer--that was one of the worst movies I've ever seen and Grant gives one of the worst performances I've seen outside of late night Cinemax softcore porn. I recommend checking it out if you like train wrecks. The funny thing is, I'm sure the producers made the movie specifically as Oscar bait.
   313. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4284116)
Somehow, I've managed to avoid a lot of the consensus worst Best Picture winners (Crash, English Patient, Out of Africa). I must be doing something right ;-)
   314. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4284117)
I never did finish watching the English Patient, I think I fell asleep. Horrid.
   315. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4284118)
Grant gives one of the worst performances I've seen

Now there's an awful actor, and weird looking dude. How do women find him attractive?
   316. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4284120)
The English Patient isn't nearly as bad as it's often made out to be. Although I might be biased because I read the book first and really liked it.
   317. Greg K Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4284121)
What are the best movies of 2012? Or is the last couple months when the Oscar-bait ones come out, so we have to wait for some contenders yet?

Looking at my cricketer account the only ones I've seen so far this year that I liked were
Anna Karenina, Looper, and Moonrise Kingdom...though all of those seem quite a distance from the type of quality I would put "best" beside.

I suppose I should take into account that I don't get to the cinema all that often, and have poor taste in movies. For a frame of reference my top 3 of 2011 (fluid since so many movies I don't get to until later) are Young Adult, 50/50, and Drive.
   318. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4284123)
I find it unnerving how much I agree with Ray regarding everything but politics...

The only quibble I have would be regarding Christina Aguilera --

I'm not saying I think v2.0 is necessarily 'more attractive' than v1.0, just that as I said regarding Upton - I can appreciate the buxom/voluptuous/even verging on pudgy sort of attractiveness. I will admit, however, that it might be attitude overpowering the aesthetic - when push comes to shove, I find a woman more comfortable with herself and confident over/contra to convention to be a lot more fun to be with (in every way) than a more conventionally attractive woman without/with less of that...
   319. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4284125)
Now there's an awful actor, and weird looking dude. How do women find him attractive?

He was in Sense and Sensibility and Four Weddings and a Funeral, two movies women freaking love. Those two movies buy him a lot of goodwill with the ladies.
   320. JJ1986 Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4284126)
I don't really like American Beauty, but I think it's one of the better Best Picture winners of the last 15 years. Only The Hurt Locker and No Country for Old Men were really good movies.
   321. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4284127)
I asked this a while ago, but has anyone seen Holy Motors yet? It's supposed to be awesomely nutty.
   322. Ravecc Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4284132)
Have you seen Anna Karenina?


Not yet. No spoilers!

(Keira Knightley, Jude Law and Joe Wright - wouldn't miss it)
   323. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4284133)
American Beauty is pretentious drivel (suburbia breeds repression and longing and closet fascists -- Jesus, we get it already). Crash was worse.


I still like American Beauty - I think it was a bit overrated, but it's still a fine film - mainly because Spacey and Benning just both give absolutely dynamite performances.

Alan Ball's brand of pretentiousness is either something you can see past or it isn't - I'll cop to the occasional eye-rolling myself, but I still find his stuff usually worth the time.
   324. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4284134)
Not yet. No spoilers!

(Keira Knightley, Jude Law and Joe Wright - wouldn't miss it)


Jude Law, another entry is the "English dudes that women inexplicably find attractive" sweepstakes, along with Hugh Grant, and Prince William.
   325. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4284135)
Sense and Sensibility and Four Weddings and a Funeral, two movies women freaking love.


I enjoyed both movies. Of course the ex always makes fun of me because I like RomComs and the ex does not. At all.

The movie everyone loved that I just did not get was Gladiator. I admit I stopped watching about half way through, but I did not like it at all. I keep thinking I should try again.
   326. Greg K Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4284136)
Speaking of movies just randomly...the gf really loves costume dramas. She had this one movie on the other day where Hugh Grant played Chopin--the composer--that was one of the worst movies I've ever seen and Grant gives one of the worst performances I've seen outside of late night Cinemax softcore porn. I recommend checking it out if you like train wrecks. The funny thing is, I'm sure the producers made the movie specifically as Oscar bait.

Sadly I am very familiar with that movie as in younger years I made it my business to see every movie Hugh Grant ever made. It was indeed terrible. (EDIT: the movie, not that phase of my life, as hard as it is to believe).

He has been in a lot of dreadful movies (though "Did You Hear About the Morgans" is worth renting for the DVD-commentary. Him and the director trash the movie for an hour and a half while Sarah Jessica Parker obliviously comments on what shoes she's wearing in each scene. Apparently for one of the scenes Bill Murray was hanging around set visiting someone and asked the director if he could direct a scene, and he was like...\"#### it, not like anyone's going to notice with this piece of crap").

I still hold a certain inexplicable fondness for old Grant these days. I think Notting Hill has the core of a good movie if you cut Julia Roberts out of it. I maintain that Love Actually is a good movie (Rickman, Thompson, Neeson come on!). But if there was one thing out of his career worthy saving it would be his 2 or 3 scenes in Sense and Sensibility. He was really the dude born to play that role.

EDIT: I feel like I may be giving the BTF community a glimpse of a rather disturbed personality in some of these posts...I'm not entirely unhinged, I promise!
   327. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4284137)
Looper was good, but not what a Best Picture should be. Still better than many Best Pictures are though.
   328. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4284138)
I really enjoyed the English Patient and am fairly confident that that was purely an artifact of the mood I was in when I went to the theater. Sometimes, you take that win.

I really enjoyed Drive.

Crash is every bit as bad as posters are making it out to be - watching it made me angry. Then, listening to my m-i-l praise it to high heaven, well, amused me.

Braveheart (solid fighting, amusing scenery chewing), American Beauty (Spacey/Benning), and Forrest Gump (um...) are each OK in their own way. Never want to see any of them again, mind you.
EDIT: On second thought, Forrest Gump is kind of bad. More a bit worse than mediocre than bad. Crash is f'n terrible.

Just finished listening to the recent Casey Wilson appearance on CBB - never seen her act (gave up on SNL years ago + haven't checked out Happy Endings) /don't know what she looks like, but she was very charming.
   329. tshipman Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4284139)
Spacey and Benning just both give absolutely dynamite performances


Annette Benning is great in everything she does. She does't do a bunch of movies, but she's absolutely great in everything I've ever seen her in.

Edit: Hugh Grant is great in Bridget Jones' Diary. Inspired casting, too, since he was so well known for being in Sense and Sensibility.
   330. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4284140)
The movie everyone loved that I just did not get was Gladiator. I admit I stopped watching about half way through, but I did not like it at all. I keep thinking I should try again.

I also didn't like it, nor did the two friends I saw it with. One of the guys I saw it with gave it a perfect 4 word review: Less gabbing, more stabbing. I've actually adopted that as a catch phrase for when anything gets boring. It starts off cool with the crazy German army, but then kind of craps out for me. I did like the recreation of Rome in a visual sense, though.
   331. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4284141)
Have you seen Anna Karenina?




Not yet. No spoilers!


Vronksy and Anna do not end well...
   332. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4284142)
mainly because Spacey and Benning just both give absolutely dynamite performances.

I just can't stand movies where I'm rooting for the "hero" to die, b/c he's so fricking annoying. Thin Red Line was like that for me. I was rooting for the Japanese by hour three, if only so the damn thing would end.
   333. Ravecc Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4284144)
Jude Law, another entry is the "English dudes that women inexplicably find attractive" sweepstakes, along with Hugh Grant, and Prince William


1. It's the English accent.
2. the accent doesn't work with Hugh Grant or Prince William. Everytime I see Wills, all I keep thinking is -- what the hell happened to his hair?
   334. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4284146)
Everytime I see Wills, all I keep thinking is -- what the hell happened to his hair?

The same thing that happened to his nose, genetics. His brother may age better, since he supposedly doesn't have any Windsor/Hannover blood.
   335. Greg K Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4284147)
I just can't stand movies where I'm rooting for the "hero" to die, b/c he's so fricking annoying.

This is a thin line Wes Anderson walks in all his movies. For me, Rushmore and The Darjeeling Limited are where he teeters off the edge, but the rest I love for that balancing act.
   336. BDC Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4284148)
Hugh Grant played Chopin

Is that the picture where Judy Davis plays George Sand? I don't remember much about it. Perhaps thankfully.

The English Patient, as several have said, is difficult to disentangle from the novel, which is a beautiful, beautiful book. The filmmakers clearly loved the book and wanted to make a gigantic illustrated version in homage. It was gigantic but dull, but insofar as it reminds one of the book, it can be enjoyable, as Yeaarggh says. For the screen, The English Patient became more melodramatic and less pointedly political. And Juliette Binoche is so miscast. She's got this Mona Lisa smile through the whole thing, looks ethereal and serene. The character Hana, in Ondaatje's novel, is crazy.
   337. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:12 AM (#4284150)
I took the gf a few years ago to see Jude Law play Hamlet for her birthday and he was actually very good. I gained a lot of respect for him after that. Unfortunately he was grossly miscast in a movie I really like--Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Actually, that whole movie is kind of miscast, but that's what will happen when you only have a pool of 20 actors to choose from.
   338. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4284151)
I took the gf a few years ago to see Jude Law play Hamlet for her birthday and he was actually very good.

I don't think he's a bad actor (unlike Hugh Grant), I'm just stunned that he makes women swoon.
   339. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4284153)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow


I wanted to like the movie in many ways and so I do, but it could have been much more. It is the go to movie for many Paltrow haters I know though.
   340. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4284154)
Thin Red Line was like that for me.


That was one of my all-time favourites, go figure. I liked it a lot better than SPR.

he supposedly doesn't have any Windsor/Hannover blood.


I don't buy that, I can see a resemblance to Philip in him.
   341. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4284157)
This is a thin line Wes Anderson walks in all his movies. For me, Rushmore and The Darjeeling Limited are where he teeters off the edge, but the rest I love for that balancing act.

I much prefer the explicitly bad guy, that we like anyway. Just saw a classic of that genre last weekend, High Sierra. Unforgiven was kind of in that class.
   342. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4284161)
I wanted to like the movie in many ways and so I do, but it could have been much more.

I'm with you. It seems a bit of a missed opportunity as much as I like it. The casting was wrong and as interesting as the technique of the animation is, sometimes the visuals seemed to get garbled. But man, giant robots, flying battleships, dinosaurs, crazy assassins, an actual clever use of old Olivier being hammy footage...there's a lot to like!
   343. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4284162)
I'm really lookng forward to seeing Javier Bardem as the villian in the new Bond movie. He's the best actor working today IMO, but as I've said, I don't claim to be any kind of qualified critic when it comes to film.
   344. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4284164)
That was one of my all-time favourites, go figure. I liked it a lot better than SPR.


Saving Private Ryan was 20 awesome minutes of the D-Day landings, and 10 minutes of other fighting, attached to two hours of melodramatic drivel.

I think that movie had the biggest drop-off from first to second viewing of any I had ever seen. The first time, the effects wowed me, the second time, I was actively offended by Spielberg's melodramatic manipulations, and ludicrous plot.

I don't buy that, I can see a resemblance to Philip in him.

I obviously have no idea of the truth, but that's the rumor.
   345. Greg K Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4284167)
I much prefer the explicitly bad guy, that we like anyway. Just saw a classic of that genre last weekend, High Sierra. Unforgiven was kind of in that class.

Or There Will Be Blood!

I've seen that movie a couple times and I'm still not sure what to make of it...other than Daniel Day Lewis is a remarkable human being.
   346. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4284169)
I'd never think to compare a Wes Anderson movie (and Rushmore is amazing) with Unforgiven (also great).

And Juliette Binoche is so miscast. She's got this Mona Lisa smile through the whole thing, looks ethereal and serene. The character Hana, in Ondaatje's novel, is crazy.

Never read it. Crazy makes a lot more sense, but I dug the serenity. Then again, I dig Binoche.
   347. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4284170)
Or There Will Be Blood!

I've seen that movie a couple times and I'm still not sure what to make of it...other than Daniel Day Lewis is a remarkable human being.


Haven't seen that one. But DDL is very, very good. I'm looking forward to his Lincoln.
   348. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4284171)
A lot of the best picture winners aren't necessarily bad movies. It's just that they're not great. Shakespeare in Love, Titanic, Gladiator, American Beauty, Dances With Wolves, Million Dollar Baby, Unforgiven, and many others are ok movies with some very good components, but none of them are amazing. And some are simply mediocre.

Crash (drivel), The Departed (a mess), and Braveheart (idiotic) are just terrible IMO.

The only truly great movies to win Best Picture in recent memory are Silence of the Lambs, Amadeus, and maybe a couple others.
   349. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4284172)
Speaking of DDL, I can't decide if I am looking forward to Lincoln or not. Lincoln is one of the most interesting men in one of the most interesting times in US history, but which Speilberg will show up?
   350. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4284173)
There Will Be Blood!


That is a phenomenal movie, and its hard to explain why. DDL is probably the reason, although its a PT Anderson film, and he's the best. I haven't seen The Master yet - gotta go.

I'm looking forward to seeing Day-Lewis as Lincoln, but I have a feeling the movie itself will be revisionist history.
   351. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4284174)
Looking at my cricketer account the only ones I've seen so far this year that I liked were
Anna Karenina, Looper, and Moonrise Kingdom...though all of those seem quite a distance from the type of quality I would put "best" beside.


Looper was decent enough, if overlong. Neat concept, and I don't even really like sci-fi.

Not a best picture nominee, though, not on merit.
   352. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4284175)
I suppose as long as they give the Gettysburg Address its props I will enjoy the movie.
   353. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4284178)
That was one of my all-time favourites, go figure. I liked it a lot better than SPR.


They're both rather similar really, by measures brilliant and bullshit.

Most the difference is that Malick leans towards the pretentious side of bullshit while Spielberg favors the sentimental.

The terrible cameos that litter both don't help either.
   354. JJ1986 Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4284180)
The Departed (a mess)


This is the one that I hate. The took a cool cop movie, Infernal Affairs, and added a horrible love triangle and awful over-the-top supporting performances from Nicholson, Baldwin and Wahlberg. And neither of the leads measures up to his Hong Kong counterpart.
   355. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4284181)
Speaking of DDL, I can't decide if I am looking forward to Lincoln or not. Lincoln is one of the most interesting men in one of the most interesting times in US history, but which Speilberg will show up?

Good point. Spielberg could ruin it.
   356. BDC Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4284182)
Some outstanding Best Pictures, in reverse chronology, not ranked:

Unforgiven, The Silence of the Lambs, Annie Hall, The Godfather, Midnight Cowboy, Lawrence of Arabia, On the Waterfront, Casablanca, and All Quiet on the Western Front. Not that they are all without flaws, but they seem to me really great examples of what you can do with cinema.

I'll also plug a mostly-forgotten Best Picture, Cavalcade, from the early 1930s, from a Noël Coward story. The prototype of Upstairs Downstairs and Downton Abbey.
   357. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4284183)
Speaking of DDL, I can't decide if I am looking forward to Lincoln or not. Lincoln is one of the most interesting men in one of the most interesting times in US history, but which Speilberg will show up?


I have a difficult time enjoying biography/history movies. I find myself wondering "did that really happen that way?" throughout the movie. Inevitably there is at least one change for cinematic purposes that leaves me questioning the accuracy of the film. "Lincoln" looks really good but I know myself well enough to know I won't be able to get past that issue. At least with a book I can check out footnotes easier.
   358. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4284186)
Shakespeare in Love, Titanic, Gladiator, American Beauty, Dances With Wolves, Million Dollar Baby, Unforgiven


Yeah, one of those things is not like the others.

Hint: It's the one that ranked #8 in the AVClub's list of the 50 best films of the '90s.

   359. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4284189)
Unforgiven, The Silence of the Lambs, Annie Hall, The Godfather, Midnight Cowboy, Lawrence of Arabia, On the Waterfront, Casablanca, and All Quiet on the Western Front. Not that they are all without flaws, but they seem to me really great examples of what you can do with cinema.


I'd add Patton, The French Connection, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Ben Hur, The Lost Weekend, and Rebecca to that list.
   360. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4284192)
Shakespeare in Love, Titanic, Gladiator, American Beauty, Dances With Wolves, Million Dollar Baby, Unforgiven



Yeah, one of those things is not like the others.

Hint: It's the one that ranked #8 in the AVClub's list of the 50 best films of the '90s.


Unforgiven is a fine film -- and I would agree it's a level above everything else on that list except American Beauty -- but the AV Club's list is fundamentally flawed by putting Goodfellas a slot above Pulp Fiction, which WAS the best movie of the 90s and it's not really even close.
   361. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4284194)
but the AV Club's list is fundamentally flawed by putting Goodfellas a slot above Pulp Fiction, which WAS the best movie of the 90s and it's not really even close.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Goodfellas is much better than Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction was good popcorn fodder, but it was all gimicks.
   362. jmurph Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4284195)
The Departed (a mess)


The thing with The Departed is that it might be time to recognize that Martin Scorsese has made very few good movies. Possibly nothing since Raging Bull (though I did like Hugo a bit).
   363. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4284198)
Goodfellas was... good - but simply too long.
   364. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4284199)
Pulp Fiction was a fun movie but in no way is it better than GoodFellas.
   365. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4284200)
but the AV Club's list is fundamentally flawed by putting Goodfellas a slot above Pulp Fiction, which WAS the best movie of the 90s and it's not really even close.


This is really really really wrong. The only flaw in putting Goodfellas above Pulp Fiction was that it was only one slot above PF. I think you misspoke, Pulp Fiction WAS the move overrated movie of the 90s.
   366. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4284201)
but the AV Club's list is fundamentally flawed by putting Goodfellas a slot above Pulp Fiction, which WAS the best movie of the 90s and it's not really even close.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Goodfellas is much better than Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction was good popcorn fodder, but it was all gimicks.


No, this is wrong.

I was in college and was actually going to see The Lion King with a girl/friend/hoped-to-become-girlfriend... but it was sold out. She suggested Pulp Fiction instead.

I have never been as speechlessly blown away by a film as I was exiting the theater. I was in a daze for the whole weekend. Goodfellas is a fine film, but it was standard gangster fare... I don't think there was ever anything like Pulp Fiction before it was made, and though many attempted to do so, hasn't been anything like it since.
   367. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4284202)
Goodfellas was... good - but simply too long.


See, I have the opposite reaction. I always find that it flies by. It's one of very few movies that I just stop and watch if I find it on TV. It's not that it's my favorite movie or anything but it sucks me in like few other movies do (Fargo is the same way).
   368. JJ1986 Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4284203)
The Big Lebowski is the best film of the 90s.
   369. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4284204)
Clearly, BBTF has far too many gimps and far too few hard, pipe-hitting #######....
   370. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4284205)
I thought The Big Lebowski was the best movie of the 90's? Come on people! The AV Club didn't include the Ice Storm on their list, which I found odd. That would be in my top 5 from the 90's. They did include Election, though, which I always worry is going to be forgotten. So..whew!

edit: coke to JJ1986
   371. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4284207)
Goodfellas is magnificent, and gets better every time you watch it. There is so much texture there. I really like Pulp Fiction as well, but I couldn't call it the same kind of achievement as Goodfellas.

I don't have any idea if Braveheart is good or not. I just know that I can repeat all the lines along with it and that watching it gets my wife randy.

So really it's the best movie ever made, if you think about it.
   372. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4284210)
See, I have the opposite reaction. I always find that it flies by. It's one of very few movies that I just stop and watch if I find it on TV. It's not that it's my favorite movie or anything but it sucks me in like few other movies do (Fargo is the same way).

I watched it again on a flight to London last week. It feels about 20 minutes long. I watched Heat right after and it didn't really hold up right after Goodfellas.
   373. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4284211)
The Big Lebowski is the best film of the 90s.


It's close... really close...

I'd definitely have Lebowski and Pulp Fiction #1/#2 -- or 1A and 1B -- but more often than not, I'd still put Pulp Fiction above it. I guess I would say that if both happened to be on cable at the same time on a lazy Saturday afternoon with no games of note on, I'd almost certainly re-watch Lebowski over Pulp Fiction - but purely on the level of a cinematic "thing like no other", I'd probably still put Pulp Fiction as 1A with Lebowski as 1B.

But it's damn close... I also like Fargo quite a bit - definitely a top 5 90s film for me - so maybe I'm penalizing Lebowski in a desire to not be too Coen-centric.
   374. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4284212)
I don't have any idea if Braveheart is good or not. I just know that I can repeat all the lines along with it and that watching it gets my wife randy.

So really it's the best movie ever made, if you think about it.


You have defined "Best Movie" in a way I cannot argue with.
   375. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4284214)
Pulp Fiction and Fargo were great.
   376. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4284216)
I enjoy the Fargo-esque movies. Until The Devil Knows You're Dead. In The Bedroom. Oh, here's a great one: A Simple Plan.
   377. Greg K Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4284217)
I have a difficult time enjoying biography/history movies. I find myself wondering "did that really happen that way?" throughout the movie. Inevitably there is at least one change for cinematic purposes that leaves me questioning the accuracy of the film. "Lincoln" looks really good but I know myself well enough to know I won't be able to get past that issue. At least with a book I can check out footnotes easier.


Not meant as a direct response to your post, but using it as a jumping off point for history and movies...

I actually usually enjoy history movies, while rarely enjoying bio-pics, if that distinction makes sense. Working with historians and history students for most of my adult life I've known a ton of people who are unable to watch history movies without obsessing over little details. One guy I know hated Master and Commander because the cricket they played in one scene followed rules that weren't adopted until several decades later. As I say, not that this is the kind of complaint you refer to. For me I've come to realize that movies aren't there to teach history, they're there to tell a story. I know a lot of people get on Braveheart for its historical inaccuracies, but to me it's just a run of the mill action movie that runs a bit long. Anachronisms or invented/omitted truths don't really bother me too much if it's apparent why the writer/director made that choice for that particular project. The one thing that does "grind my gears" about historical movies is when the historical context is used as a foil to point out how great contemporary society is. The main character is quite obviously a 21st century person with 21st century values which makes him morally superior to all the backwards people in whatever century who just don't get it. Such an attitude misses the great opportunity (for me as a viewer anyway) of setting a movie in the past - to immerse yourself in a different, yet in some ways familiar, world. I really liked The Girl with the Pearl Earring for this...I don't recall much of the story, but I really felt like I was in early modern Amsterdam (was it Amsterdam?) for a while.

Bio-pics I actually come at from the opposite side of factual truth. I guess I just don't find biographies terribly interesting. Whenever I watch a bio-pic it doesn't seem like a story...it seems like someone methodically ticking off boxes to fit all the important events of someone's life into 2 hours. For me, the most successful bio-pics are the ones that take a snapshot of a person in one moment of their lives and tells a story about what's going on just then, rather than an attempt to be comprehensive.
   378. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4284218)
I love both Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction, but I think Pulp Fiction is clearly the greater movie. The problem with Pulp Fiction is the same problem you have with certain artists - when you see the work now, its been so thoroughly copied and derived everywhere that the impact of the "first" is diluted.

Pulp Fiction was pure ####### revolution and changed movies. Goodfellas is simply a very good rendition of what had been done in Hollywood for 40 years.
   379. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4284220)
Or There Will Be Blood!

I've seen that movie a couple times and I'm still not sure what to make of it...other than Daniel Day Lewis is a remarkable human being.



There will be Blood is fascinating because I felt I was watching a masterpiece until about 3.4ths of the way through that it is actually kind of meandering and silly. Part of it is the magnificent performances and the look, part of it is that the music is ####### GREAT.

I actually still enjoyed it a lot, but it was a unique experience in terms of how cinematography and music can "trick" you.
   380. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4284223)
My top 10 from the 90s would probably be:

1. Pulp Fiction
2. The Big Lebowski
3. Fargo
4. Boogie Nights
5. Trainspotting
6. Dazed and Confused
7. Reservoir Dogs
8. Unforgiven
9. Groundhog Day
10. The Matrix (though, I'd have to convince myself that the two sequels didn't exist... if I couldn't maybe I'd find room for Goodfellas here)
   381. ThisElevatorIsDrivingMeUpTheWall Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4284224)
Shooty, the only actor my gf will admit to liking is Ewan McGregor. She also seems to enjoy hating pretty much any beautiful actress just on general principles, but always has to find an additional reason to make it more reasonable, like their upper lip is too small, or they do a lousy British accent, or she saw a picture someplace of them eating a baby, etc.
   382. JJ1986 Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4284225)
There will be Blood is fascinating because I felt I was watching a masterpiece until about 3.4ths of the way through that it is actually kind of meandering and silly. Part of it is the magnificent performances and the look, part of it is that the music is ####### GREAT.


This was almost exactly what I felt. I went from thinking "why do the last two scenes not work?" to thinking "why does the rest of the movie work when aside from the music and camera movement it's the same?"
   383. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4284227)
I have never been as speechlessly blown away by a film as I was exiting the theater. I was in a daze for the whole weekend.

I saw Pulp Fiction in the theatre six times, and have seen it on Cinemax a couple times recently. Still high-quality, but it's getting a little dated. Goodfellas is way better.
   384. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4284228)
or she saw a picture someplace of them eating a baby


as Earnest Borgnine was oft heard to complain, "You eat ONE baby..."
   385. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4284229)
I saw Pulp Fiction in the theatre six times, and have seen it on Cinemax a couple times recently. It's getting a little dated. Goodfellas is way better.


I actually just rewatched Pulp Fiction last weekend... got home from an evening out and it happened to be just starting on HBO. I stayed awake till almost 4 AM re-watching it -- the only thing that I think makes it a dated is the fact that so much of it has been copied and re-used, but never as good as the original...
   386. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4284232)
I kind of enjoyed the Pacino vehicle And Justice For All.

However, Dog Day, Serpico, Needle in PP, and Heat were all crap.
   387. JJ1986 Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4284233)
I'm not sure I could make a top 90s list because it would have 4 or 5 Coen Brothers movies on it. Other movies that I'd have - Out of Sight, L.A. Confidential, The Player.
   388. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4284235)
This was almost exactly what I felt. I went from thinking "why do the last two scenes not work?" to thinking "why does the rest of the movie work when aside from the music and camera movement it's the same?"

Ditto for me.
   389. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4284236)
the only thing that I think makes it a dated is the fact that so much of it has been copied and re-used, but never as good as the original...


Casablanca is the template for this phenomena. And it was mentioned up thread, but Bridge on the River Kwai is a great great movie. For re-watching though not much beats Jaws. Any time I see it on TV I have to watch the rest of the movie.
   390. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4284237)
My 90's top 10:

1. Goodfellas
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Big Night
4. Braveheart
5. A Pure Formality
6. Silence of the Lambs
7. Jurrassic Park
8. Rushmore
9. Last of the Mohicans
10. Raise the Red Lantern

Ooh, I forgot Gettysburg. I tend to think of that as a tv miniseries but it should go in there.

   391. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4284239)
Heat was probably the most disappointing movie of all time... Val Kilmer hadn't been exiled into fatty doucheland yet and this was supposed to be the big Pacino/DeNiro face-to-face...

It was a movie that should have been great, truly great, but ultimately - it ends up being something that just barely scrapes into being worthy of a rental. Even the scene with Pacino/DeNiro -- it just seemed like the frame was there, Al and Bobby both were perfectly cromulent, even momentarily a bit better, but overall -- a massive letdown from beginning to end.
   392. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4284241)
I could never do a top ten list even by decade. It would have 40 movies in it and would change constantly.
   393. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4284242)
I want to amend my top 10 from the 90s to find room for Get Shorty... I like Elmore Leonard stuff, though, so I can understand why some might disagree - but that's another fun film with a really good cast at the top of their game.
   394. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4284243)
And The Master was like Thin Red Line. You were hoping there was a point somewhere in between all the navel gazing.
   395. andrewberg Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4284244)
The Coens and Stanley Kubrick were the filmmakers who I watched in high school who helped me figure out what was so cool about good movies. I remember the lightbulb going on the first time I saw Barton Fink and being like "OOHHHHH! This is why Scarface actually sucks!"
   396. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4284245)
I know I'm in the minority on this, but I don't think Unforgiven is all that great. It's a decent movie with good acting, but it was in no way the groundbreaking movie it was made out to be.
   397. ThisElevatorIsDrivingMeUpTheWall Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4284246)
I can watch the first two Godfather films continuously. I've probably seen the first six Marx Brothers films more often than anything else though.
   398. zonk Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4284247)
I know I'm in the minority on this, but I don't think Unforgiven is all that great. It's a decent movie with good acting, but it was in no way the groundbreaking movie it was made out to be.


If one really doesn't care for Westerns, I can certainly understand and appreciate this... Personally, I always loved the Sergio Leone spaghetti's -- so I thought Unforgiven worked perfectly as a capstone, homage, and epilogue all rolled into one.
   399. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4284248)
I know I'm in the minority on this, but I don't think Unforgiven is all that great. It's a decent movie with good acting, but it was in no way the groundbreaking movie it was made out to be.


I kind of felt like this too, but I didn't see it till 10 years after it came out, after I'd already seen Once Upon a Time in the West and all this stuff recently.
   400. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4284249)
Unforgiven was a great movie, but personally a bit darker than I prefer my westerns to be.
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