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Monday, September 18, 2017

‘Friends,’ the Sitcom That’s Still a Hit in Major League Baseball

For at least one generation of Americans, “Friends” endures as a cultural touchstone, a glowing chunk of 1990s amber. But its runaway popularity stretched far beyond the United States, and for some Latino baseball players it is something more: a language guide, a Rosetta Stone disguised as six 20-somethings commingling in a Manhattan apartment.

What would they have learned by watching, say “The X Files” instead?

NattyBoh Posted: September 18, 2017 at 09:59 AM | 485 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5535015)
That's strange, because I would've said that the 70s was the wasteland. I don't think there's a single 70s sitcom that's been mentioned here that, if my remote control were broken, I wouldn't actually get off the couch to turn off if it somehow appeared on the screen. And that's saying a lot.


Barney Miller, MASH, and All in the Family is a pretty good triumvirate.... and I'd consider WKRP and Taxi more 70s than 80s. There's also a backing cast of Good Times, the first Newhart show, Sanford and Son, and a few others.

Maybe it's the lack of variety in the 80s that drives me nuts - all of the 80s mainstay sitcoms were basically family sitcoms and they all seemed to be carbon copies of each other.
   202. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5535018)
Barney Miller, MASH, and All in the Family is a pretty good triumvirate
I would volunteer to go fight in the actual Korean War over watching MASH.


EDIT: I'll give you AitF as a quality show, but not my cup of tea. No, no, no on WKRP/Taxi/Good Times/Sanford and Son. Barney Miller, I confess I've never really watched.
   203. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:29 AM (#5535019)
I would volunteer to go fight in the actual Korean War over watching MASH.

Be careful, you might soon have the opportunity.
   204. Manny Coon Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (#5535020)
Also, man, everyone here is so, so, so old. Hasn't anyone watched anything made in the past five years?


BoJack
Rick and Morty
Master of None
Broad City
Bob's Burgers
Difficult People
Last Man on Earth

I think Atlanta is a well done although I'm not quite it's target audience.

I think Venture Bros is still technically an active show in an 8 episodes every 3 years sort way.

   205. The Good Face Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (#5535021)
But yeesh, if you ever want to be disappointed how dumb you were as a child


It was basically a kids show, and kids shows tend to be formulaic. Kids aren't very sophisticated consumers, especially in the 80s. But the Dukes of Hazzard really delivered as a kids show; memorable characters with distinctive looks and catchphrases, lots of action sequences, 'SPLOSIONS!, PG rated sex appeal, and simplistic storylines with good guys and bad guys where the good guys always won.
   206. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:31 AM (#5535022)
Wait, *did* Alf get to eat the cat?? I don't remember the finale.


No... he decides to join a couple of other ALFs (Skip and Rhonda) in building a new Melmac, but was picked up by alien ICE in route.... sort of a bizzaro ET ending (or - because Rick and Morty, a Jerry's mindblower with Gobo the alien).
   207. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:33 AM (#5535026)
I would volunteer to go fight in the actual Korean War over watching MASH.

Be careful, you might soon have the opportunity.

Right, but with a chance for everlasting fame.

   208. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:34 AM (#5535028)
Last Man on Earth

Yes - surprisingly enduring... I have to admit that I'm excited for another season. Hats off to the producers for actually having a plan beyond the initial fun of a first season (or hats off to the cast and writers for making it look like a plan even if they didn't have one).

Broad City


Totally concur on this one. This one very much deserved to come up before page 3.
   209. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:35 AM (#5535030)
No... he decides to join a couple of other ALFs (Skip and Rhonda) in building a new Melmac, but was picked up by alien ICE in route.... sort of a bizzaro ET ending (or - because Rick and Morty, a Jerry's mindblower with Gobo the alien).


Yeah...rather than finally meeting up with his people, it ended with him getting captured by the FEDS. Probably spent the next several years locked up in Area-51 undergoing daily experiments before finally being dissected by military scientists.
   210. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:36 AM (#5535031)
I don't think there's a single 70s sitcom that's been mentioned here that, if my remote control were broken, I wouldn't actually get off the couch to turn off if it somehow appeared on the screen.


Just off the top of my head, Bob Newhart Show and Mary Tyler Moore may not have been mentioned but they are still eminently watchable. Rhoda was a damn fine spinoff too, Mother (Nancy Walker) and sister Brenda (Julie Kavner) were great supporting characters.
All In The Family was terrifically topical in its early days, which makes it harder to watch these days. I can watch an episode every once in a while. Once in a while there would be that heartwarming moment between Archie and Edith.

EDIT: I guess I owe some sips.
   211. Lassus Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:39 AM (#5535035)
Broad City

About time.
   212. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:47 AM (#5535041)
It was basically a kids show, and kids shows tend to be formulaic. Kids aren't very sophisticated consumers, especially in the 80s. But the Dukes of Hazzard really delivered as a kids show; memorable characters with distinctive looks and catchphrases, lots of action sequences, 'SPLOSIONS!, PG rated sex appeal, and simplistic storylines with good guys and bad guys where the good guys always won.


I suppose every sitcom - or forget sitcom, every show period - has a certain amount of formula to it... but simplistic storylines doesn't really even cut it. For a show that I probably watched episode of - and like I said, I have rewatched it since just to find out what the allure was for me - there is not a single plotline I can even remember. I mean literally... the plots are like elevator music background.

   213. Greg K Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:47 AM (#5535043)
Speaking of how old we all are, Workaholics, which I believe just ended, is sort of the young man's It's Always Sunny, and your grandchild's Seinfeld.

Though far more in terms of style than in terms of quality.
   214. simon bedford Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM (#5535044)
The Jeffersons could be quite funny, as could Maude , the Odd Couple had a few hilarious episodes ( the poker game being a fave of mine) Soap started off great before fading quickly, the original "good times" had a good first couple of seasons, any of those i would watch before "perfect strangers" reruns.
   215. The Good Face Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:56 AM (#5535046)
I have rewatched it since just to find out what the allure was for me - there is not a single plotline I can even remember. I mean literally... the plots are like elevator music background.


Boss Hogg hatches a crooked scheme to make more money. The Duke Boys foil it through some combination of driving fast, doing sweet jumps in the General Lee, fisticuffs, and shooting explosive arrows that never hurt anybody. Daisy is hot. Rosco is comically inept. Uncle Jesse and Cooter add "authentic" backwoods charm. Repeat as necessary.

You, like most people, have outgrown the kind of stuff you liked as a kid. But that doesn't mean the stuff you liked as a kid was terrible; it was just for kids.
   216. simon bedford Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:59 AM (#5535049)
Anyone else remember that The dukes had a spinoff of the least likely character "Enos"? without looking it up my memory says he moved to the big city and was partnered with a very urban police partner...i think it lasted all of 3 or 4 episodes.
   217. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:00 PM (#5535050)
The actor who played Enos turned 82 a few weeks ago.

The Monkees TV show had been off the air for about 15 years by the time I was a kid, but it was my favorite thing. I watched a few episodes about a year ago, and it doesn't really work for me anymore. Their movie "Head" is... interesting.
   218. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5535051)
Anyone else remember that The dukes had a spinoff of the least likely character "Enos"? without looking it up my memory says he moved to the big city and was partnered with a very urban police partner...i think it lasted all of 3 or 4 episodes.
By extensive research on Wikipedia, I see that all eighteen episodes were aired.
   219. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:03 PM (#5535053)
Yeah...rather than finally meeting up with his people, it ended with him getting captured by the FEDS. Probably spent the next several years locked up in Area-51 undergoing daily experiments

Well, you can't really blame them for trying to even up the score a bit as far as the anal probes.
   220. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:04 PM (#5535054)
I sure thought Mork and Mindy had a longer peak, but Wiki makes it look like the Mark Fidrych of sitcoms. A transcendent first season that makes the whole country take notice and then *POOF* it was all over limping off the air for good in 60th place only 3 years later.
   221. simon bedford Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:04 PM (#5535055)
I think I watched about 3 or 4 episodes it was one of the worst spinoffs I can remember.
   222. Lassus Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM (#5535057)
How many of you remember without looking where Laverne & Shirley ended up living for the last three years of their series?
   223. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:09 PM (#5535058)
You, like most people, have outgrown the kind of stuff you liked as a kid. But that doesn't mean the stuff you liked as a kid was terrible; it was just for kids.


IDK - my contemporary Saturday morning cartoon favorite from the same time period was Thundarr the Barbarian (and go figure, until GoT, the whole fantasy realm wasn't really my thing)... anyway, some years back - in another TV thread, where it came up in one way or another - I found a bunch of episodes online and while, true, it had it's formula too (usually involving an evil wizard), the plots managed to actually be pretty distinct.

Sure, basic rally the people to defeat the evil wizard stuff -- but sometimes the evil wizard was trying to power up a long dormant sentient AI, other times he was growing crops of mind control flowers, still others he was after some magical relic or raising an army of robots.

I suppose a post-apocalyptic earth setting provides better fodder than rural Georgia, but still -- there's some manner of real thought into the week's storyline.
   224. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:15 PM (#5535064)
How many of you remember without looking where Laverne & Shirley ended up living for the last three years of their series?
I can! How many can remember where the Saved by the Bell kids lived in their first year (before the show was named "Saved by the Bell")?
   225. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:16 PM (#5535065)
Sure, basic rally the people to defeat the evil wizard stuff -- but sometimes the evil wizard was trying to power up a long dormant sentient AI, other times he was growing crops of mind control flowers, still others he was after some magical relic or raising an army of robots.

OK, but didn't Boss Hogg come up with some at least slightly distinguishable nefarious scheme to get the Duke boys every week? Same principle.
   226. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:20 PM (#5535068)
OK, but didn't Boss Hogg come up with some at least slightly distinguishable nefarious scheme to get the Duke boys every week? Same principle.
I thought they kept it fresh by occasionally having an out-of-towner who had a Boss Hogg scheme, forcing the Dukes and Boss to work together to thwart it.
   227. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:21 PM (#5535069)
I can! How many can remember where the Saved by the Bell kids lived in their first year (before the show was named "Saved by the Bell")?


Indianapolis.

The first iteration is forgettable because while it did have Lark Voorhies, it lacked Tiffany Amber-Thiessen so generally not worth the time.

The latter iterations weren't worth the time, either - at least, in the days before DVRs - because there was no easy way to just skip to the scenes with Thiessen in all her most glory.

One of the worst parts of our reality within the multiverse is that she never went through the Alyssa Milano career stage of making softcore porn movies in order to "grow up" from her teen crush roles.

Sad.

EDIT: Or to put it a different way.... why didn't SHE star in that Elizabeth Berkeley movie? But noooo... she slides right into 90210, Charmed, etc... dammit.
   228. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5535076)
Wait, *did* Alf get to eat the cat??


He actually overcame the urge, and got his own kitten. Very special episodes were the rage.
   229. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:44 PM (#5535083)
I think the best comedies of the 80's were both Britcoms: The Blackadder and Yes, Minister/Yes, Prime Minister. There's another, Colin's Sandwich with Mel Smith, that I'd probably put in line before any US sitcom of the decade. Only twelve episodes of that, though.
   230. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5535085)
I don't believe anyone has mentioned King of the Hill. Not, it's not as good as the Simpsons, Seinfeld, or Arrested Development, but I feel comfortable placing it in the tier beneath them. Although it was on the air for 13 seasons, I don't recall it ever feeling stale. They added Lucky and weren't afraid to kill off at least one important secondary character (Cotton Hill). The show rarely felt zany, and I don't think the writers ever dumbed down Hank. Its humor was quite understated, especially for a cartoon.
   231. Greg Pope Posted: September 20, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5535091)
I think the best comedies of the 80's were both Britcoms: The Blackadder and Yes, Minister/Yes, Prime Minister. There's another, Colin's Sandwich with Mel Smith, that I'd probably put in line before any US sitcom of the decade. Only twelve episodes of that, though.

I never saw Yes, Minister, but Blackadder is clearly in the top 5 comedies ever. But, and it's a huge caveat, they only had to do 6 episodes a season. They basically only had to do one US season worth of material.
   232. The Good Face Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5535106)
I thought they kept it fresh by occasionally having an out-of-towner who had a Boss Hogg scheme, forcing the Dukes and Boss to work together to thwart it.


Yeah, after the first couple of seasons, they'd occasionally throw in an out-of-town villain who was a bit too villainous for Boss Hogg, and he'd wind up working with or getting rescued by, the Duke Boys.
   233. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:20 PM (#5535115)
Among the few still running shows that haven't been mentioned that I have random opinions on...

Silicon Valley has rapidly gone downhill - and I think it's really going to miss TJ Miller. If that meant more Dinesh and Gilfoyle, that would be great, but it sounds like it's moving more towards a Thomas Middleditch vehicle and I just don't see him as good comedy lead.

Since Futurama, the Simpsons, and now King of the Hill have all come up - American Dad needs to be mentioned. I think seasons ~5 through ~10 or so are outstanding. Haven't seen most of the new stuff since moving to TBS though, so it's hardly appointment TV for me, but I would say that Stan Smith has pulled off the reverse Homer - actually getting smarter and more interesting.

I really want to like Vice Principals but that's mainly due to my enjoyment of Danny McBride (which means Eastbound & Down needs a mention, too).
   234. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:27 PM (#5535122)
Among the few still running shows that haven't been mentioned that I have random opinions on...

I'll add one - You're the Worst.

It's a very funny show about horribly screwed up people.
   235. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:27 PM (#5535123)
I'll second BoJack (though, despite being funny, it really shines at the dramatic stuff) and also give the first two seasons of Catastrophe some love (haven't watched any further, dunno if it holds up).
   236. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:29 PM (#5535126)
Hasn't anyone watched anything made in the past five years?

Like HOF voting, you need 5 years of distance to judge.
   237. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5535129)
One of the worst parts of our reality within the multiverse is that she never went through the Alyssa Milano career stage of making softcore porn movies in order to "grow up" from her teen crush roles.

Sad.

EDIT: Or to put it a different way.... why didn't SHE star in that Elizabeth Berkeley movie? But noooo... she slides right into 90210, Charmed, etc... dammit.
Uh, what? It's Milano who was in Charmed. Tiffani-Amber Thiessen (note correct spelling of Tiffani) went to 90210, and then had something of a dry spell, before she was on White Collar (which was a consistent, but not big, role).
   238. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5535130)
I thought they kept it fresh by occasionally having an out-of-towner who had a Boss Hogg scheme, forcing the Dukes and Boss to work together to thwart it.

About a year or two ago, I was home sick one day and caught the beginning of a Dukes marathon on TV, and they were starting from Season 1 Episode 1. It was a much darker show - Hogg and Roscoe were scheming lawmen, not comic buffoons. The crimes at issue were much more serious, as were the criminals. Daisy and Jesse were also more serious, and the Duke boys were portrayed as genuine law breakers rather than just good ol' boys who were constantly being railroaded by the government henchmen.

The whole thing played out much more as straight drama than as the comedy-drama it became. Frankly it was a much more interesting show (though I can fully understand how the revised, lighter version sold a lot more board games and lunchboxes).
   239. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5535131)
Uh, what? It's Milano who was in Charmed. Tiffani-Amber Thiessen (note correct spelling of Tiffani) went to 90210, and then had something of a dry spell, before she was on White Collar.

Milano was on 90210 as well.

Thiessen was on Newsradio, at least for one glorious episode.
   240. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5535132)
American Dad needs to be mentioned. I think seasons ~5 through ~10 or so are outstanding.


It's probably a generational thing like Adam Sandler, but I found American Dad and Family Guy completely unwatchable. My kids turned out alright in spite of watching those shows. Whew!
   241. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:34 PM (#5535133)
Uh, what? It's Milano who was in Charmed. Tiffani-Amber Thiessen (note correct spelling of Tiffani) went to 90210, and then had something of a dry spell, before she was on White Collar.


You're right... I very much mishmashed up my list of pre-teen/teen crushes, which ones went on to do what, and which ones got very naked in movies. What can I say, it's been a while.

FWIW - Wikipedia tells me that Thiessen was offered what became Milano's part in Charmed... and I am correct about Poison Ivy 2 and Embrace of the Vampire as Milano's 'hard' adult turn.
   242. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:36 PM (#5535137)
the Duke boys were portrayed as genuine law breakers rather than just good ol' boys who were constantly being railroaded by the government henchmen.

I assume they had different lyrics in the theme song then?
   243. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:39 PM (#5535144)
It's probably a generational thing like Adam Sandler, but I found American Dad and Family Guy completely unwatchable. My kids turned out alright in spite of watching those shows. Whew!


Family Guy never really clicked with me either -- and for the first 2-3 seasons, American Dad was really just a FG knock-off...

If 'zaniness' isn't one's cup of tea, then American Dad likely won't click... but I very much think a few AD episodes (the Rapture, the standalone Jeff Fisher in space episode, Roger's roast, a few others from the ~seasons 4 through ~10) stack up very well with the more well-trod, previously mentioned animated sitcom stars.

Basically, once Seth MacFarlane got his grubby mitts off the show and just stuck around for voice work - it got a lot better.
   244. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5535156)
and I am correct about Poison Ivy 2 and Embrace of the Vampire as Milano's 'hard' adult turn.
In the early days of the web, Milano's mother went around full time trying to suppress images and clips of her daughter from Embrace of the Vampire. It... didn't work.
   245. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5535158)
the Duke boys were portrayed as genuine law breakers rather than just good ol' boys who were constantly being railroaded by the government henchmen.


The first season aired during the Carter administration. Once Reagan took office, the national zeitgeist changed.


   246. SoSH U at work Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:58 PM (#5535165)
The actor who played Enos turned 82 a few weeks ago.


That's remarkable. I never would have guessed he was 25 years older than John Schneider.
   247. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:58 PM (#5535166)
In the early days of the web, Milano's mother went around full time trying to suppress images and clips of her daughter from Embrace of the Vampire. It... didn't work.

There are still some popular sites where clips of her aren't available. I assume it's because her/her mother threatened to sue if they weren't pulled down.
   248. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: September 20, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5535167)
That's strange, because I would've said that the 70s was the wasteland.


All in the Family
Good Times
The Jeffersons
Mary Tyler Moore
Bob Newhart
Sanford and Son
What's Happening
Happy Days
WKRP
The Odd Couple

   249. Baldrick Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:00 PM (#5535171)
I don't think there's a single 70s sitcom that's been mentioned here that, if my remote control were broken, I wouldn't actually get off the couch to turn off if it somehow appeared on the screen.

Most 70s sitcoms are bad, sure. But The Mary Tyler Moore Show is probably on the sitcom Mt. Rushmore.
   250. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:01 PM (#5535172)
and I am correct about Poison Ivy 2 and Embrace of the Vampire as Milano's 'hard' adult turn.

In the early days of the web, Milano's mother went around full time trying to suppress images and clips of her daughter from Embrace of the Vampire. It... didn't work.


Don't get me wrong, I love most things internet -- but this is kind of a sad, relic that future preteen/teen boys will never experience.

Nowadays, such transitions are accomplished via leaked sex tapes or smartphone hacks... and the abundance of media/credit opportunities streaming media presents means that whoever the modern equivalent of Milano is, she's unlikely to need a straight-to-video skinimax movie to burnish her adult credentials.

There's something to be said for the mystery, the wait, and the payoff...
   251. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:15 PM (#5535186)
There's something to be said for the mystery, the wait, and the payoff...
Those were my three favorite characters on Jersey Shore.
   252. PreservedFish Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5535205)
There's something to be said for the mystery, the wait, and the payoff...


This can also describe the act of downloading and enjoying a single x-rated picture, in the pre-thumbnail days of excruciatingly slow top-down image rendering.
   253. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:39 PM (#5535212)
I'll call your "pre-thumbnail days of excruciatingly slow top-down image rendering" and raise you stitching together uuencoded files from USENET and decoding them one by one. Kids these days have it so much easier.
   254. Rally Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5535216)
That's remarkable. I never would have guessed he was 25 years older than John Schneider.


Same. That has got to be the most shocking fact I'll learn today. He was far closer in age to Boss Hogg and Roscoe than he was to the Duke boys. And old enough to be Daisy's father. Shame.
   255. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:45 PM (#5535220)
Surprised no one has mentioned Brooklyn 99 for a current show. Very funny, and a really fantastic turn for Andre Braugher if you only know him from Homicide.
   256. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:49 PM (#5535224)
Same. That has got to be the most shocking fact I'll learn today. He was far closer in age to Boss Hogg and Roscoe than he was to the Duke boys. And old enough to be Daisy's father. Shame.


Different standards down in Hazard... So Bo and Luke are cousins. Coy and Vance were their cousins. Daisy is their cousin. Jesse is their uncle.

....and that trope grew up to be.... Game of Thrones.

And now you know... the REST of the story!
   257. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:51 PM (#5535228)
This can also describe the act of downloading and enjoying a single x-rated picture, in the pre-thumbnail days of excruciatingly slow top-down image rendering.

...and I'm right back in my freshman dorm room again.
   258. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5535229)
Different standards down in Hazard... So Bo and Luke are cousins. Coy and Vance were their cousins. Daisy is their cousin. Jesse is their uncle.

Hell, given the demographics of Hazzard County, I'm sure Enos, Cooter, Cletus and even Boss Hogg were all their cousins at some level of remove.

Yeah, I remember the "Coy & Vance" season. That was traumatic, as I was too young to understand contract negotiations. Funny, I was at the Cubs game with Spahn the other day and we got to talking about old obscure Cubs players, as we are wont to do. I described Paul Noce and Mike Brumley, who were the DP combo for a while in 1987 when Dunston & Sandberg were hurt, as the Coy & Vance of the Cubs. Not often you get two Coy & Vance references in a week.
   259. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5535230)
Surprised no one has mentioned Brooklyn 99 for a current show. Very funny, and a really fantastic turn for Andre Braugher if you only know him from Homicide.


Seconded.
   260. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 02:57 PM (#5535231)
Yeah, I remember the "Coy & Vance" season. That was traumatic, as I was too young to understand contract negotiations. Funny, I was at the Cubs game with Spahn the other day and we got to talking about old obscure Cubs players, as we are wont to do. I described Paul Noce and Mike Brumley, who were the DP combo for a while in 1987 when Dunston & Sandberg were hurt, as the Coy & Vance of the Cubs.


I guess that would have made Manny Trillo Uncle Jesse?

And Lee Smith the scowling, no-nonsense sheriff the next county over...
   261. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5535244)
Speaking of marathons, HBO's running 8 straight hours of Curb, beginning at noon on Saturday. Random episodes from the first season to the last one.
   262. Rally Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:16 PM (#5535253)
I'm of the opinion that the Coy and Vance season never happened, and nobody here is going to be able to convince me otherwise.

Different standards down in Hazard... So Bo and Luke are cousins. Coy and Vance were their cousins. Daisy is their cousin. Jesse is their uncle.


It's a mystery whatever happened to all of Jesse's brothers and sisters, who all had exactly one kid each with their partners, and then disappeared and let Jesse raise all the kids.

Roscoe and Boss Hogg were brothers in law.
   263. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:19 PM (#5535259)
It's a mystery whatever happened to all of Jesse's brothers and sisters, who all had exactly one kid each with their partners, and then disappeared and let Jesse raise all the kids.
They probably live in the same town where the family of Opie Taylor's mom lives.
   264. PreservedFish Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:22 PM (#5535261)
Speaking of marathons, HBO's running 8 straight hours of Curb, beginning at noon on Saturday. Random episodes from the first season to the last one.


I can't really stand more than an episode at a time. I like the show but it's fatiguing because there is no break from Larry David's mania. Needs a dollop of Kramer.
   265. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5535264)
I guess that would have made Manny Trillo Uncle Jesse?

And Lee Smith the scowling, no-nonsense sheriff the next county over...

And of course Rafael Palmeiro was Daisy.
   266. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5535265)
It's probably a generational thing like Adam Sandler, but I found American Dad and Family Guy completely unwatchable.

Family Guy has some really funny moments, but ruins the show with lots of painfully unfunny cutaways that drag on a ridiculously long time. For example, if you were reading the script, it might be slightly amusing to see, "Peter suddenly switches the scene to a clip of Conway Twitty singing as a diversion." But to actually have to sit through AN ENTIRE Conway Twitty song (no exaggeration - that cutaway took like 3 and a half minutes) in the middle of a show is just excruciatingly unfunny. I used to be able to overlook the overly long gag miscues enough to focus on the good stuff, but I guess I'm getting old cuz I just don't have the patience anymore.
   267. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5535266)
And of course Rafael Palmeiro was Daisy.

Wouldn't that be Mrs. Ryne Sandberg as Daisy?
   268. Ithaca2323 Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:29 PM (#5535269)
I really like Speechless, which does a good job portraying the complexities of being/being related to someone disabled.

We also watch Blackish, Goldbergs, and New Girl

My wife doesn't do a lot of drama, but I'm really into The Americans, and prior to that, The Bridge
   269. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:30 PM (#5535274)
But to actually have to sit through AN ENTIRE Conway Twitty song (no exaggeration - that cutaway took like 3 and a half minutes) in the middle of a show is just excruciatingly unfunny.

Although I saw an episode over the weekend where Peter discovers a videotape he made when he was a kid for his future self. At the end of the tape, Kid Peter holds up a boom box and starts playing a Conway Twitty song, and Adult Peter waits for a little while, and then says "This is really boring! Why would I ever want to watch this??" So, you gotta give them points for that.

Let's not talk about the chicken fights though. I stopped watching Family Guy regularly several years ago when it became clear that it had fallen into the trap of thinking viewers want to watch animators display their skill at animating stuff. I think there was even an interview with MacFarlane where he said they were really proud that they could animate more impressive visuals now, like in the Star Wars and Muriel Goldman murder episodes, and were emphasizing that more in the show.
   270. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5535276)
And of course Rafael Palmeiro was Daisy.

Wouldn't that be Mrs. Ryne Sandberg as Daisy?
Marla Collins
   271. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5535279)
Family Guy has some really funny moments, but ruins the show with lots of painfully unfunny cutaways that drag on a ridiculously long time. For example, if you were reading the script, it might be slightly amusing to see, "Peter suddenly switches the scene to a clip of Conway Twitty singing as a diversion." But to actually have to sit through AN ENTIRE Conway Twitty song (no exaggeration - that cutaway took like 3 and a half minutes) in the middle of a show is just excruciatingly unfunny. I used to be able to overlook the overly long gag miscues enough to focus on the good stuff, but I guess I'm getting old cuz I just don't have the patience anymore.


Hey - they paid the royalty to use the Sideshow Bob stepping on lots of rakes gag in perpetuity and dammit, Seth is gonna get his money's worth.

Speaking of MacFarlane - I wish to also express my disappointment in The Orville... a show I wanted very much to love and a show where MacFarlane even manages to resist his predilection for toilet humor and cynicism masquerading as humor (for the most part). Two episodes is a quick judgment, I guess, but it's neither funny nor imaginative.

I did find it amusing that entirety of Sunday's episode story line managed to actually be outdone in every way by one of the 3-minute Morty's Mind Blowers vignettes that same night.
   272. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:37 PM (#5535280)
Most 70s sitcoms are bad, sure.


Except for That 70's Show, of course!

(joking aside, I really did like that show)
   273. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5535290)
Although I saw an episode over the weekend where Peter discovers a videotape he made when he was a kid for his future self. At the end of the tape, Kid Peter holds up a boom box and starts playing a Conway Twitty song, and Adult Peter waits for a little while, and then says "This is really boring! Why would I ever want to watch this??" So, you gotta give them points for that.


If adult Peter said that early on, sure, but typical Family Guy style would be to make you sit through the song for a full minute or more before delivering that line.

Sometimes they acknowledge how boring a clip is and then drag it on forever anyway, like when Peter was watching the old Bea Arthur show 'Maude' with the extended intro. He was growing more and more agitated as all the names kept dragging on and by the time they finished with, "And then there was Maude" he yelled and threw his hands up and walked away. Well, if even a fictional character is getting frustrated and impatient with how long something is taking, how do you think real viewers will feel? By the time that clip was over I was just as annoyed and ready to turn the TV off as Peter was.

MacFarlane's apparent mindset that "Hey, if a 5 second gag is funny, think of how funny it'll be stretched out to a full minute!" just doesn't work. Timing/pacing is everything in comedy.
   274. Lassus Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:00 PM (#5535298)
Speaking of marathons, HBO's running 8 straight hours of Curb, beginning at noon on Saturday. Random episodes from the first season to the last one.
I can't really stand more than an episode at a time.


Oooooo, I can be Ray!

Never seen an episode.
   275. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5535303)
Never seen an episode.


Ditto. And no real interest. <shrug>
   276. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:10 PM (#5535304)
I'm with PF on Curb.

Funny show, I like it -- but it's not a show I can see binge watching.
   277. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5535313)
If adult Peter said that early on, sure, but typical Family Guy style would be to make you sit through the song for a full minute or more before delivering that line.

It was about 10 seconds or something like that. But your general point is taken. It does work sometimes, though, like with the repeated wincing when Peter hurts his knee, or there was one time where he was trying to get a dead frog from a window into a box without touching the frog, and he kept trying to slide the box around it, and the frog kept flopping down...it's hard to describe, but it was funny.
   278. PepTech Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5535328)
Late to the thread, so a little catching up to do:

+1 on The Good Place being worth sticking with. Pay attention to stuff; there's more going on than you think. This was a rare show that was even better going back and watching again, perhaps particularly so since there were only a dozen episodes. I am cautiously hopeful for season 2 (which, by the way, starts tonight!). If you haven't already, DO NOT SPOIL YOURSELF before the finale.

+1 on Kudrow being the Friend I'd Most Like To.

Bob Newhart Show (70s) and Newhart (80s) were both top tier. Bob (90s) not so much.

   279. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:36 PM (#5535335)
It does work sometimes, though, like with the repeated wincing when Peter hurts his knee


Eh, those last a bit long for my taste.

there was one time where he was trying to get a dead frog from a window into a box without touching the frog, and he kept trying to slide the box around it, and the frog kept flopping down...it's hard to describe, but it was funny.


Yeah, that one was actually pretty funny.

The hit to miss ratio on really long gags is still pretty bad overall though, IMO.
   280. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5535336)
+1 on The Good Place being worth sticking with.


I have to admit I would have loved the show just for the cast (especially K. Bell), but the rest of it was tremendous. Not just funny, but actually smart and erudite in a way not normally associated with comedy.
   281. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5535341)
Eh, those last a bit long for my taste.

Fair enough, but when the AT-AT Walker did it in the Return of the Jedi episode, come on, that was funny.
   282. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5535351)
Fair enough, but when the AT-AT Walker did it in the Return of the Jedi episode, come on, that was funny.


Heh. Yeah, it was. Like I said, there's lots of funny moments in Family Guy. The whole FG Star Wars trilogy is actually pretty funny.

But that's what bugs me about the whole thing; Seth MacFarlane IS a talented and funny guy. His shows have the potential to be very good. He just ruins them with too much pointless filler and Broadway songs and 80's references (just because we remember something doesn't make it funny).
   283. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5535352)
+1 on The Good Place being worth sticking with. Pay attention to stuff; there's more going on than you think. This was a rare show that was even better going back and watching again, perhaps particularly so since there were only a dozen episodes. I am cautiously hopeful for season 2 (which, by the way, starts tonight!). If you haven't already, DO NOT SPOIL YOURSELF before the finale.

+1 +1 +1 on this. Terrific show, looking forward to Season 2. I was really surprised that Ted Danson didn't get at least a nomination for supporting actor in a comedy Emmy. He's a hallowed TV name, and he is wonderful in this (particularly in the season finale).
   284. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 20, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5535356)
Roscoe and Boss Hogg were brothers in law.

Also forgotten show lore - Boss Hogg started life as a moonshiner, just like the Dukes. He and Uncle Jesse were fierce rivals for the hooch running business in and around Hazzard county. Boss realized he could make more money as a crooked politician/businessman than as a moonshiner, so he gave it up. It's at the heart of why he hates the Dukes so much (and why they're always foiling his schemes).

Layers, man. The show had layers.
   285. PepTech Posted: September 20, 2017 at 05:11 PM (#5535361)
(especially K. Bell^), but the rest of it was tremendous. Not just funny, but actually smart and erudite

I was really surprised that Ted Danson didn't get at least a nomination for supporting actor in a comedy Emmy. He's a hallowed TV name, and he is wonderful in this (particularly in the season finale).
Yes to both. After the first couple episodes I remember thinking "even mailing it in, he's good" and by the time we got to the end I had a whole new level of respect carved out for the performance as a whole. Really, really stellar, especially during those - what, three seconds? in the finale.

It can't be emphasized enough: DO NOT WATCH Season 2 without watching all of Season 1 first.

Edit: ^ K Bell did all her own singing in Frozen. Top that, Kudrow!

Edit2: This all being said, it's just a comedy, it's not the second coming or anything. Beats crap like Two Broke Girls all to hell, though.
   286. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 05:17 PM (#5535365)
Also forgotten show lore - Boss Hogg started life as a moonshiner, just like the Dukes. He and Uncle Jesse were fierce rivals for the hooch running business in and around Hazzard county. Boss realized he could make more money as a crooked politician/businessman than as a moonshiner, so he gave it up. It's at the heart of why he hates the Dukes so much (and why they're always foiling his schemes).

Say what? Was there like a book trilogy or something that laid out the back story, and is it considered official Dukes canon?
   287. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 05:18 PM (#5535366)
Edit: ^ K Bell did all her own singing in Frozen.

You say that as if the existence of songs from Frozen is a positive thing for humanity.

Top that, Kudrow!

What? Have you forgotten "Smelly Cat"??
   288. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 05:46 PM (#5535382)
Say what? Was there like a book trilogy or something that laid out the back story, and is it considered official Dukes canon?
It sounds like something Waylon would fill us in on during a freeze-frame of a car in mid-air.
   289. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 05:56 PM (#5535387)
It sounds like something Waylon would fill us in on during a freeze-frame of a car in mid-air.

Or maybe it was in the coloring books.
   290. Batman Posted: September 20, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5535393)
Or maybe it was in the coloring books.
It became canon if somebody's mom wrote it on a note in a Dukes of Hazzard lunchbox.
   291. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 20, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5535394)
+1 on The Good Place being worth sticking with. Pay attention to stuff; there's more going on than you think.

I would say there's less. With more information, people just imagine meet-the-neighbors-like shenanigans underlying events that are neutral in presentation.
   292. Zach Posted: September 20, 2017 at 06:52 PM (#5535404)
Perhaps Seinfeld's success is just an example of the very best writing taking a non ensemble cast as faar as it possibly can.

One thing you'll notice with Seinfeld episodes: each of the core four has a stable of characters that only really interact with them. Even if one of the other three characters is in the room, an Elaine character will rarely say more than "Hi" to one of the other three. So in any given week, the show could have four very different comic sensibilities, depending on which secondary characters are around.

   293. Sunday silence Posted: September 20, 2017 at 07:47 PM (#5535429)
so it would meet whatever working definition of "ensemble" I suggested. I didnt watch it enuf to really form any conclusions.

   294. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 07:59 PM (#5535438)
Is anybody else fascinated by Small Wonder? The Dad always appeared to have a boner, and the son looked like he was wearing a wig. Of course to say nothing of Vicki, Harriet or the plot.
   295. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 20, 2017 at 08:33 PM (#5535470)
Speaking of marathons, HBO's running 8 straight hours of Curb, beginning at noon on Saturday. Random episodes from the first season to the last one.

I can't really stand more than an episode at a time. I like the show but it's fatiguing because there is no break from Larry David's mania.


Sure, but that's what DVRs or DVD recorders are for. I won't be watching them straight through myself, and I agree that Larry's obsessions are best taken in small doses.

OTOH if Susie Essman had a showdown with Jeff or Larry in all 16 episodes, I might try it in just two parts.

Needs a dollop of Kramer.

I dunno, to me Kramer was always by far the weakest of the Seinfeld Core Four. His deadpan lines were great, but his spastic physical act got old real fast.
   296. Gazizza, my Dilznoofuses! Posted: September 20, 2017 at 08:41 PM (#5535478)
I typed much of this up earlier, but apparently I lost it:

1) Modern Faily had one of the steepest declines from one of the highest peaks I've ever seen.
2) I never much cared for Seinfeld.
3) For those who encourage me to participate more: I'm really a lurker at heart. I'm here to read but not talk. Plus, I really miss the zaniness of the pre-registration days. I even thought the Bearded Wizard was funny.
4) I re-watched Faily Ties in the last year or two and I was actually surprised how well it held up. Alex was more annoying than I remembered him back when I was first watching it, though. (I was in grade school at the time of its peak popularity.) And, as a kid, I completely overlooked how good looking Meredith Baxter Birney was.
5) I have a theory as to why the 80s shows don't hold up as well. (Cheers being the primary exception.) It ties in to how we now watch shows in a binge format as opposed to old one episode a week style. Behaviors that were amusing when we saw the show once a week become really annoying when shoved in our faces repeatedly in a short amount of time. I've had this problem with House, MD where I went from finding House to be annoying, but worth putting up with for his medical skills to deciding he should never be allowed near a patient after on the show for a while. Hayden Fox of "Coach" went from a good-natured but somewhat selfish guy to a complete selfish ass after a binge (which led me to give up on the show after less than half a season after watching it semi-regularly back when it was first aired). Plus the above problems with Alex P Keaton.
6) WKRP still holds up. I watched it when I was young with my dad and then watched it again as an adult and realized how many jokes I missed as a kid. Found it funny at both ages, though.
7) "Yes, Minister"/"Yes, Prime Minister" is some of the greatest TV ever.
8) I have in complete earnestness and seriousness argued that Tiffani Amber Theissen's birthday should be a national holiday.
9) I enjoyed Saved By The Bell but it lost something for me when I realized how big a dick Zack Morris is. They should have beaten him up and left him for dead in a ditch in the desert.
10) I watched Wonder Years again last year and it held up. Although I completely agree with the thesis of this website: Kevin Arnold is a Dick
11) I'm enough of a Newsradio geek that my WiFi SSID is WNYX and I entered my house on FaceBook as "Fort Awesome." I'm totally ########## about the show.
   297. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 08:42 PM (#5535479)
Is anybody else fascinated by Small Wonder? The Dad always appeared to have a boner, and the son looked like he was wearing a wig. Of course to say nothing of Vicki, Harriet or the plot.

I liked that show as a kid. It didn't dawn on me how creepy the overall plot was until years later.
   298. Booey Posted: September 20, 2017 at 08:45 PM (#5535480)
So what are the most inappropriate TV storylines that would never make it on the air today? Hogan's Heroes has to be up there, right?
   299. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2017 at 08:59 PM (#5535482)
So what are the most inappropriate TV storylines that would never make it on the air today?

Oh, man. Diff'rent Strokes and Webster.
   300. Sunday silence Posted: September 20, 2017 at 09:01 PM (#5535483)
not sure what is wrong with Hogan's Heroes. It was called one of the worst shows in TV history by TV guide magazine a few years ago. Of course back in the day it appeared on the cover of TV Guide no less than three times.

odd.
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