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Full Count » Mike Carp, Felix Doubront and the challenges of player discontent on a struggling team

They don’t see the numbers? Of course they see the numbers. It’s why Doubront is not starting. I’ve been watching him all the time he’s been with the Red Sox. He’s a mediocre lefty with a fastball that has dropped three miles in velocity over the last few years. Throwing 89 MPH with crappy control and mediocre command does not make for an effective starting pitcher. Maybe his agent should explain this to him.

“I just want to be a starter and stay there. If I stay (with the Red Sox), they have to know I have to be a starter. If I go, the other team is going to give me this chance to be a starter,” Doubront told Jason Mastrodonato of MassLive.com. “The thing is, if the (Red Sox) say I have to prove myself, I already did man. … It’€™s [messed] up. So if these guys say I have to pitch to prove whatever, no, they already know what I have. I showed them what I have, as a reliever and as a starter.

“For me, they don’€™t see the numbers, they don’€™t care what I’€™ve done in the past. It’€™s hard to be happy like that with these guys.”

Jim Furtado Posted: July 27, 2014 at 06:35 PM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cry baby, felix doubront, red sox

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   1. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 27, 2014 at 06:57 PM (#4758678)
I've been a Doobs backer for a long time but he needs to take a look in the mirror. He simply has not pitched well enough to be making demands.
   2. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: July 27, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4758796)
At least the team a couple of years ago just ate chicken, drank beer and stunk. What's with the discontent of crappy players on this damn team?
   3. Dale Sams Posted: July 27, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4758801)
I think Carp's upside as an everyday player is greater than Doubronts.

and I'd be more than happy to trade both of them, not cause I'm pissed...just Doubront is redundant and I like Carp.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: July 28, 2014 at 02:18 AM (#4758829)
Let's hope that they've at least upgraded to sushi and a nice pinot grigio from Popeye's and Schafer.**

** This is a lie, I love Popeye's, not a fan of sushi.
   5. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 28, 2014 at 02:56 AM (#4758830)
The "numbers" he's refering to are probably 11-6 last year and double figure wins the year before. I'm not sure what's sadder--that he thinks his "wins" mean he's "proved himself" or that he thinks 11 wins on an offensively potent World Champion is an impressive total.
   6. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 28, 2014 at 03:07 AM (#4758833)
Doubront is probably in danger of losing his MLB job and signing a minor league contract for somebody. He clearly sucks at relieving and he's not going to be starting any time soon for Boston, so I'd probably try to get out of there too. It'll take a pretty desperate/cheap team to give him a starting rotation spot next year.

Also, I don't know if this is discontent so much as trying to salvage some kind of a career. Neither Carp nor Doubront has a future in Boston, nor are they getting any playing time. I mean, they should have played better, but their windows of ever tasting that sweet MLB starter money are rapidly closing, and they're not gonna get it in Boston. Of course, Doubront actually had plenty of opportunities to prove himself, whereas Carp's either been a backup or injured.
   7. Jim Furtado Posted: July 28, 2014 at 06:19 AM (#4758846)
The whining doesn't help their marketability. Who wants to deal with a mediocre player who complains about his playing time?
   8. Lassus Posted: July 28, 2014 at 07:53 AM (#4758854)
I'd co-sign Jim's sentiment.
   9. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 28, 2014 at 08:10 AM (#4758857)
I'm not a huge fan of Doubront, but I think he has been underrated by fans because they are undervaluing what Doubront is. He is a young, cost-controlled, left-handed starting pitcher who has shown stretches of meaningful success. He also has shown swing-and-miss stuff (though he also still walks too many people).

If you are a low-budget team looking for a back-of-the-rotation guy for the next few years on short money, you could do a lot worse than Doubront. I don't see a bullpen guy, though, and I think Doubront is a guy whose conditioning matters. You have to keep this guy on a short leash, in terms of the buffet table.
   10. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 28, 2014 at 08:58 AM (#4758871)
To be fair to Carp, all of the reporting indicates that he went to Farrell and upper management several times before now. It's not unreasonable for a role player on a team that's probably out of the race to ask for a trade the week before the deadline.
   11. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 28, 2014 at 09:15 AM (#4758876)
To be fair to Carp, all of the reporting indicates that he went to Farrell and upper management several times before now. It's not unreasonable for a role player on a team that's probably out of the race to ask for a trade the week before the deadline.


Yup. Farrell was pretty clear that he had no issue with Carp. He talked about it on the pregame show yesterday that he respected Carp's desire to play regularly and he appreciated that Carp handled it the right way (i.e. coming to Farrell rather than through the media).

With regards to Doubront he was diplomatic but it was pretty clear he was unhappy with how it came about.

I'm with SBPT that Doubront would not be the worst option for a team looking to add some pitching. The Sox have a lot of young pitching so it's hard to justify Doubront ahead of Workman, DLR, Webster or Ranaudo right now but he's got some tools. Maturity seems to be a real problem for him. He's been out of shape on a couple of occasions; frankly if he had been in shape in 2011 he probably would have earned some of the starts that Weiland, Miller and Wakefield got down the stretch and likely could have made a difference. The Sox actually had him working with someone all winter to stay in shape which is good/bad. I like that he was getting in shape but I'm not thrilled that he needed what amounts to a glorified babysitter.

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