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Full Count » Sources: Red Sox agree to deal sending Jake Peavy to Giants for minor leaguers

Hopefully what the Red Sox received in exchange will help them in the future.

Edit: MLB Trade Rumors reports:

The Giants have acquired Jake Peavy from the Red Sox, CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman tweets. The Red Sox will receive pitching prospects Edwin Escobar and Heath Hembree, ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets.

Not a great haul, but two lottery ticket lefties.

Jim Furtado Posted: July 26, 2014 at 11:46 AM | 56 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: giants, jake peavy, red sox, trades

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   1. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 26, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4758020)
Oddly for a "seller's" deal this actually helps them in the short term. Peavy has been suck-a-doodle-doo and Workman or Ranaudo should be an improvement and almost certainly can't be worse.

When he's on Peavy is a lot of fun to watch. He works quickly, throws strikes and the whole yelling at himself thing is a riot. Unfortunately that does not happen much in 2014.
   2. caprules Posted: July 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4758031)
Is Stan Lee doing a cameo as Red Sox GM?
   3. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 26, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4758035)
Ruben, the Giants are adding veterans again! Quick! Trade Papelbon! This is your chance!
   4. BDC Posted: July 26, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4758036)
But if the Giants have Uggla why do they need other players
   5. Into the Void Posted: July 26, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4758041)
Apparently Peavy has pitched very well against the Dodgers (current Dodgers batting .177/.210/.301 off him).
   6. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4758047)
One of his best outings for the sox was a three hit complete game win against the dodgers last year.
   7. Boxkutter Posted: July 26, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4758052)
Escobar is a good get for Peavy. He was a pre-season consensus Top 5 prospect for the Giants. He is having a rough time in AAA, but he just turned 22 and his BABIP is significantly higher than his career norm, same with his HR/9. It would be safe to assume this is a SSS aberration and he returns to his path of becoming a good #3 type of SP.
   8. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 26, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4758060)
Alliteration is the new market inefficiency.

Oh c'mon! Jokes about players names are my bread and butter! This is my A material!
   9. Darren Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4758084)
Robert, I thought the same thing. Good one.
   10. tfbg9 Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4758088)
Ya did well Ben.
   11. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4758090)
When you think of alliterative baseball names what comes to mind first:

Willie Wilson or Brett Butler or Bobby Bonilla?

This is a personality test.
   12. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4758093)
I think of Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and Barry Bonds
   13. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4758094)
Mickey Mantle.
   14. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4758098)
Snuffy Stirnweiss.
   15. Swedish Chef Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4758103)
Is it possible to do an alphabet?

Alfredo Aceves
Barry Bonds
Cesar Cabral
Dave Danforth
Eddie Eayrs
Frankie Frisch
Gene Garber
Hal Haid

... and 'i' doesn't work.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4758104)
Mickey Mantle.
   17. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:43 PM (#4758106)
The correct answer is Willie Wilson.

Mickey Mantle?

Pfft!
   18. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4758108)
Walt Weiss
   19. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: July 26, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4758110)
Ugueth Urbina says hello, pours gasoline on the other players
   20. madvillain Posted: July 26, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4758115)
Rock raines. Coco crisp. Al alberqueque
   21. Darren Posted: July 26, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4758125)
Rock raines. Coco crisp. Al alberqueque


Uh, we're talking about real players here. Sheesh.
   22. BDC Posted: July 26, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4758126)
Whitlow Wyatt.
   23. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 26, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4758141)
Philadelphia Phillies.

   24. depletion Posted: July 26, 2014 at 05:44 PM (#4758181)
Sonny Siebert
   25. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: July 26, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4758189)
Wilbur Wood
   26. bobm Posted: July 26, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4758194)
Jair Jurrjens
   27. bobm Posted: July 26, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4758195)
Placido Polanco
   28. Walt Davis Posted: July 26, 2014 at 07:21 PM (#4758205)
Johnny Jeter

Cesar Cedeno maybe gets the nod over Cesar Cabral.
   29. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 26, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4758209)
Zip Zabel
   30. CraigK Posted: July 26, 2014 at 07:39 PM (#4758211)
... and 'i' doesn't work.


Says you.
   31. CraigK Posted: July 26, 2014 at 07:44 PM (#4758213)
Jason Jennings
King Kelly
Lyn Lary
Mark McGwire
Nick Neugebauer
Orval Overall
Paul Phillips
Quincy Quintero (Had to dig so deep here that he hasn't technically been drafted yet)
Red Ruffing
Seth Smith
Taylor Teagarden
Ugueth Urbina
Virgil Vasquez
Woody Williams
Xavier Ximello (Hah! You probably thought it would here!)
Yasuhiko Yabuta
Zech Zinicola
   32. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: July 26, 2014 at 07:46 PM (#4758215)
Quarlos Quentin
   33. PreservedFish Posted: July 26, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4758219)
Of course Ivan Izquierdo had to be from Cuba.
   34. Swedish Chef Posted: July 26, 2014 at 09:07 PM (#4758229)
Quarlos Quentin

If we're going that route I prefer Quevin Quackenbush.
   35. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 26, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4758240)
I can see this trade has really inspired the BBTF community to analyze the merits of the deal.
   36. 'Spos Posted: July 26, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4758242)
Harry Leroy "Roy" Halladay III
   37. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4758246)
The Red Sox will receive pitching prospects Edwin Escobar and Heath Hembree

sounds like a cross between Heathcliff Slocum and Alan Embree
   38. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 26, 2014 at 10:23 PM (#4758248)
The Lahman database lists 1154 alliterative names, from Andy Abad and Al Aber to Yam Yaryan and Zip Zabel. It doesn't list any alliterative names for I or Q, so those names above are totally cheating.
   39. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4758282)
sounds like a cross between Heathcliff Slocum and Alan Embree


I thought the same thing. If he's not a reliever I'm going to be crestfallen.

those names above are totally cheating.


Gosh, you're just like the MLBPA, not recognizing the hard work of minor leaguers.
   40. Sonic Youk Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:40 AM (#4758284)
I actually really enjoyed Peavy in spite of him not being that great. He clearly had lost his stuff, but still worked quick and tried to throw as many strikes as possible. I wish they could have traded his body and placed his brain in Clay Buchholz's body,
   41. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:07 AM (#4758288)
Agreed with Sonic Youk. Peavy pitching in the World Series for the Giants would be cool. Like Pedro with the Phillies.

He's barely 33, actually.
   42. Bunny Vincennes Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:21 AM (#4758290)
sounds like a cross between Heathcliff Slocum and Alan Embree
   43. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:57 AM (#4758293)
Hey, does anybody think this sounds like a cross between Heathcliff Slocum and Alan Embree?
   44. Dale Sams Posted: July 27, 2014 at 03:18 AM (#4758301)
From Wuthering Ashbury-Heights.
   45. Cooper Nielson Posted: July 27, 2014 at 04:12 AM (#4758306)
MM's gotta be the best combo, right? Mickey Mantle, Mark McGwire, Mike Mussina, Mike Marshall, Mark Mulder, Miguel Montero,

Here's a question for the linguists or poets out there: Does "alliterative" refer to orthography (writing), or does it require similar pronunciation? I don't think of "Gene Garber" or "Tyler Thornburg" as alliterative names.
   46. Cooper Nielson Posted: July 27, 2014 at 07:31 AM (#4758316)
Looking at my MM list, I'll bet it's possible to put together a pretty good "All-Star" team of MM players:

C - Miguel Montero
1B - Mark McGwire
2B - Mickey Morandini
3B - Melvin Mora
SS - Marty Marion
LF - Minnie Miñoso
CF - Mickey Mantle
RF - Mike Marshall
P - Mike Mussina

Feel free to improve on this, especially 2B and RF. Manny Mota can pinch-hit.

All of those guys (even Marshall and Morandini) have been All-Stars. Only one of them is a Hall-of-Famer, but there are strong arguments for Mussina, McGwire, and Miñoso, and a less-strong argument for Marion. (He did reach as high as 40% in the BBWAA voting.)
   47. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 27, 2014 at 08:24 AM (#4758326)
Team BB is mediocre at C and very weak at SS, but strong elsewhere, and features two father-son pairs.

C - Bob Boone
1B - Bobby Bonilla
2B - Bret Boone
SS - Bob Bailor
3B - Buddy Bell
RF - Bobby Bonds
CF - Brett Butler
LF - Barry Bonds
SP Bert Blyleven

DH - Bill Bergen
Manager - Bruce Bochy
Pitching Coach - Bud Black

Only 3 BBs played 100+ games at SS -- Bailor, Buddy Biancalana, and Bobby Bragan. You could also put Bob Brenly at C. The BBs have 3 potential catcher-managers. Has Bruce Benedict managed anywhere?
   48. jobu Posted: July 27, 2014 at 09:26 AM (#4758335)
Bill Bergen as the DH--nice.
   49. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 27, 2014 at 09:41 AM (#4758337)
1B - Bobby Bonilla

Bill Buckner can be on the bench and be the late inning defensive specialist.
   50. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 27, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4758338)
I thought that there was never a major leaguer whose last name started with X.
   51. BDC Posted: July 27, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4758339)
Does "alliterative" refer to orthography (writing), or does it require similar pronunciation?

I'd say it's a matter of pronunciation. When you listen to a poem or song, an alliterative effect depends entirely on the sounds ("cigarettes and songs," "sleeping city sidewalk").

Of course, there's a kind of alliteration that involves how one says letters. "Civilian Conservation Corps" uses two different sounds, but the initialism CCC has a nice ring to it.
   52. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4758353)
Team BB is mediocre at C


That's a pretty high standard for catcher performance if the middle Boone is mediocre.

   53. akrasian Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4758412)
#46 - RP - Mike Marshall
   54. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4758424)
The Lahman database says there are 14 letters that have had someone play at least one MLB inning at every position -- A, B, C, D, G, H, J, K, L, M, P, R, S, T, and W.

Eyeballing it, I don't think that any of the others could keep up with M and B. C can field a decent squad:

C - Clint Courtney/Chris Cannizzaro platoon
1B - Cecil Cooper
2B - Cupid Childs
SS - Chico Carrasquel
3B - Craig Counsell
LF - Carl Crawford
CF - Coco Crisp
RF - Cesar Cedeno
P - Candy Cummings?
Owner - Charlie Comiskey

R is for "rotation" -- Robin Roberts, Rick Reuschel, Red Ruffing, Rick Rhoden, and Rick Reed, with Ron Reed filling in when needed.
   55. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4758426)
I wasn't the biggest fan of the idea of trading Peavy but I think the actual result may have changed my mind.

As Jose noted in [1], it's plausible that the 2014 team suffers no dropoff in on-field ability without Peavy (whether there's an impact of the widespread perception that the FO is "giving up on 2014" is a much thornier question). As Boxkutter discusses in [7], Escobar is actually a very interesting prospect. Young for his levels and some good performances prior to this season. He was BA's #2 Giants prospect going into 2014.

I know more about Hembree. Counter to the lead-in, he's a righty. Prototypical big arm RHP reliever. 25 years old, he recorded 9 very good appearances for SF last year. Like Escobar, his 2014 has not delivered on the promise he's shown the past couple of years, but he's still a potential weapon in late-inning relief as early as next season. Which is a good pickup for the Sox because they figure to have a lot of openings in the bullpen next year.

I honestly don't think I'd call either of these guys "lottery tickets." Hembree more or less already is what he is - by the next year or two (in the majors) we'll know whether he's going to be, say, Mike Timlin or Scott Atchison - but no one has to pray that he'll make a major league bullpen. Escobar's got a much more unpredictable path to the majors from here just due to his age, but again these are 'known unknowns' and he's no more a lottery ticket (although, okay, also no less of one) than any other 22-year old pitcher.

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