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Monday, April 01, 2013

Gaines: Cyberbullied By Chipper Jones

McLean living my ass.

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Pete Gaines, a friend of the site, said something stupid on Twitter to Chipper Jones over the weekend, and then spent most of the day day getting blasted—at Chipper’s Bieber-style behest—by both Jones and his followers. It was ugly and dumb and went on for hours, and we asked him to write about it.

Perhaps I was miffed that Jones’ mere presence happened across my Twitter timeline. I’ve heard stories over the years of Jones’ hypocrisy—that he put on a convincing aw-shucks good-ol’-Christian-boy act for the media and (some) fans, but was what students of the type call a “raging #########” the rest of the time. I’ve heard stories of bullying, hypocrisy and all the other things that might be expected of a grown-ass multimillionaire man-child who calls himself “Chipper.” Anyway, I was a dick to Chipper Jones on Twitter. That was uncool of me.

But I guess what I’m saying, after Chipper Jones went on an hours-long invective jag against me—my literacy and my jealousy, my height, my (lack of) hair, my weight, the appearance of my fiancée (a professional sportswriter, no less) and my sexuality—is this: Chipper Jones himself has done more, personally and recently, to confirm these second- and third-hand stories about him than I would ever have thought possible.

Jones has a right to respond to insults, of course. I would not begrudge the man for not taking the idle, knee-jerk insults of some Twitter smartass—me in this case, but doubtless many other smartasses in many other instances—lying down. But I might also suggest that a man in a relative position of power who trades on his Christian faith as a businessman, might refrain from calling anyone—me or you or anyone—an “ignorant, balding, overweight dumbass.” That would seem, relative to the alternative, the “Christian” thing to do, which is after all your descriptor, pal, not mine.

By those standards, Jones might also have reconsidered the suggestion that my fiancée—a former Division I wrestling team manager who writes about mixed martial arts for a living, and who found herself involved only because she appears in my AVI—“outweigh(s)” me and my beer gut; she doesn’t, although of course that doesn’t matter, really. Further congratulating his hundreds of thousands of hero-worshipping followers for busting on my personal appearance and that of my fiancée—rather than my words—also seems a decidedly un-Christian look for Tim Tebow’s business partner. When Jones congratulated his followers for going after my fiancée and me, was he particularly proud of the “your gay” insult that kept recurring? Anyway, these are rhetorical questions, and don’t really matter much; a Tweetdeck filter for “fat, bald” solved this on my end, anyway.

There’s a movement in sports and across the country to reduce or eliminate bullying. I would suggest the leaders of this movement not contact Chipper Jones to be their spokesman.

Repoz Posted: April 01, 2013 at 03:56 PM | 84 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Spectral Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:05 PM (#4401315)
A fifty-something man writing at length about how he was "bullied" via Twitter. I already thought the word "bullying" had become something near meaningless, but now I'm fairly sure it is.
   2. JJ1986 Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4401327)
This guy appears to be a huge dick:

So maybe it wasn't particularly nice of me to say Friday night on Twitter that Chipper Jones, who has never tested positive for steroids and who has cheated on his wife with a Hooters waitress, should "go do some adultery and steroids" in response to Jones' relatively innocuous suggestion on Twitter that Kansas guard Elijah Johnson ought not have punched Michigan center Mitch McGary in the testicles
   3. bunyon Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4401342)
I didn't click through, but is it the writer's assertion that Johnson should have punched McGary in the testicles?
   4. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4401352)
Wow. No one would have ever expected a jock to behave crudely when attacked on Twitter.
   5. Sweatpants Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4401358)
I was assuming that this was an April Fools joke or a parody of people who try to be cheeky to famous people on Twitter. Turns out that the events in the article actually did happen.

The cluelessness needed to write this piece is staggering.
   6. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4401362)
But if he'd had an army of supporters putting Chipper on blast in highly personal terms...that would've been awesome, right?
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4401369)
Reading the excerpt (and that's all I'm doing) it looks like both this guy and Chipper were juvenile jackasses.
   8. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:32 PM (#4401370)
That's some stones, to write an article about how you got yours but you're the victim.
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:34 PM (#4401378)
The only winner in this story is anyone who is unaware any of this happened.
   10. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4401380)
Reading the excerpt (and that's all I'm doing) it looks like both this guy and Chipper were juvenile jackasses.


Apparently being rich and famous means that if you respond to "bullying" with "bullying" of you're own, you're evil. Fuctards.
   11. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4401386)
That's some stones, to write an article about how you got yours but you're the victim.


So, Chipper tweets that a guy from Kansas ought not punch an opposing Michigan player in the nuts, this guys responds by telling Chipper to "go do some steroids and adultery" and somehow *he's the victim.*

I propose that Chipper punch this fool in the nuts and we be done with this.
   12. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4401392)
The only winner in this story is anyone who is unaware any of this happened.

I wish i could go back to that blissful ignorance.

   13. Spectral Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4401413)
I propose that Chipper punch this fool in the nuts and we be done with this.


Cosigned.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4401414)
But I guess what I’m saying, after Chipper Jones went on an hours-long invective jag against me—my literacy and my jealousy, my height, my (lack of) hair, my weight, the appearance of my fiancée (a professional sportswriter, no less) and my sexuality


It gets better.
   15. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4401415)
This is a truly pathetic story. I feel like a worse person just knowing it exists.
   16. DA Baracus Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:55 PM (#4401417)
The title should be "Trolling Chipper Jones."
   17. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: April 01, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4401426)
Man is douche to Chipper Jones on internet, turns out internet douchery is one more thing Chipper Jones is better at than him.
   18. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 01, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4401440)
Man is douche to Chipper Jones on internet, turns out internet douchery is one more thing Chipper Jones is better at than him.


I liked this.

   19. Cowboy Popup Posted: April 01, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4401442)
The only winner in this story is anyone who is unaware any of this happened.

Yeah, this just makes me sad. I really wish this hadn't been posted.
   20. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 01, 2013 at 05:19 PM (#4401451)
This doesn't make me think less of Chipper Jones. There is some kind of failure involved in that, I think.
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 01, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4401455)
The title should be "Trolling Chipper Jones."

Unfortunately TJ Simers has trademarked the concept of "Trolling" in combination with the name of all past and present baseball, football and basketball players.
   22. Gonfalon B. Posted: April 01, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4401480)
Hopefully this talented tweeter will get the chance to shake hands with chipper. Preferably a woodchipper.
   23. zonk Posted: April 01, 2013 at 05:49 PM (#4401486)
This is one of those things where if I was God --

A booming voice would thunder from the heavens "Trick question! You're BOTH ########\" followed by appropriate lightning bolts to both parties and their twitter followers
   24. smileyy Posted: April 01, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4401493)
If the "aggrieved" party wanted to make it clear this was bullying, he'd kill himself.

Edit: Is this meta-bullying?
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2013 at 06:02 PM (#4401495)
Reading the excerpt (and that's all I'm doing) it looks like both this guy and Chipper were juvenile jackasses.


Have to agree. The writer was a jackass twice, once on twitter and then by writing this article. Chipper was a jackass, simply because he's always been one, he proves it again with his actions, and again proves the silliness of attributing positive characteristics to someone just because they happen to claim "christian faith".

   26. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 01, 2013 at 06:06 PM (#4401497)
McLean living

I hope so!
   27. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 01, 2013 at 06:09 PM (#4401498)
That would seem, relative to the alternative, the “Christian” thing to do, which is after all your descriptor, pal, not mine.

Always enjoy the 'Hey, I thought you dudes were supposed to turn the other cheek' take. Nope. Jesus had a few words stronger than 'You guys need to get it together' for the Pharisees back in the day. Returning fire is allowed.
   28. formerly dp Posted: April 01, 2013 at 06:09 PM (#4401499)
I'm not bothering to read any of this unless it confirms and deepens my (completely rational!) hatred of Chipper Jones, The Worst Human Being on the Planet.
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2013 at 06:40 PM (#4401539)
I'm not bothering to read any of this unless it confirms and deepens my (completely rational!) hatred of Chipper Jones, The Worst Human Being on the Planet.


Not really, he doesn't bother to quote any of Chippers supposed posts egging his readers on etc. Only way it confirms your rational hatred, is if you are one of those people that accept the person's argument without evidence because that is what you want to believe(you know, a Republican).
   30. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: April 01, 2013 at 06:55 PM (#4401553)
Always enjoy the 'Hey, I thought you dudes were supposed to turn the other cheek' take. Nope. Jesus had a few words stronger than 'You guys need to get it together' for the Pharisees back in the day. Returning fire is allowed.
Yeah, so, I'm not Christian, but this frankly strikes me as an utterly absurd reading of the Gospels.

Jesus (supposedly) directly told people to turn the other cheek instead of responding in kind - even in circumstances far more serious than some pathetic Twitter fight. He also directly told people, for example, to worry about the beam in their own eye rather than condemning the mote in their brother's. And to love their enemy. And not to judge others. And that to call someone a fool is to risk eternal hell fire. And on and on and on.

But because he spoke strongly to certain people, you're happy to ignore all of the inconvenient stuff that he said so that it doesn't get in the way of some good ol' kickass mudslingin' fun time. Yeehah!
   31. zachtoma Posted: April 01, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4401561)
This doesn't make me think less of Chipper Jones. There is some kind of failure involved in that, I think.


Me neither. The completely unfounded steroid accusations were so far out of bounds that this fool deserved whatever Chipper could muster to throw at him.
   32. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 01, 2013 at 07:25 PM (#4401569)
Yeah, so, I'm not Christian, but this frankly strikes me as an utterly absurd reading of the Gospels.

There are dozen of examples of Jesus and his disciples pushing back against unjust charges or prosecution. Read up a little and then come sit at the adult table.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: April 01, 2013 at 07:25 PM (#4401570)
Folks seem to be overlooking the ultimate stupidity here. This twit and Chipper and Chipper's "followers" were just being plain ol' All-American jerks of the All-American-est variety. But ...

Pete Gaines, a friend of the site, said something stupid on Twitter to Chipper Jones over the weekend, and then spent most of the day day getting blasted—at Chipper’s Bieber-style behest—by both Jones and his followers. It was ugly and dumb and went on for hours, and we asked him to write about it.

is a plain ol' intentional little slice of evil. If God's gonna be smitin', smite the website and its "editors."

   34. Fat Al Posted: April 01, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4401576)
I still can't believe he left M*A*S*H for Hello, Larry.
   35. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: April 01, 2013 at 08:04 PM (#4401597)
Ooooh, the adult table. You got me there! In my face! U! S! A! U! S! A!

Face it, the overwhelming theme of Jesus's occasionally self-contradictory direct teachings is don't be a dick even to people who you think might deserve it.
   36. KT's Pot Arb Posted: April 01, 2013 at 08:06 PM (#4401599)
There are dozen of examples of Jesus and his disciples pushing back against unjust charges or prosecution. Read up a little and then come sit at the adult table.


I read the bible several times front to back as a young man. When God finally helped me realize the impossibility of reconciling the grand absurdity of it's massive contradictions, I became a man and put that mess of a book behind me, as God wants us all to do.

We await you at the real adult table, where you will actually be encouraged to use reason to reach answers, and no longer rely on hoary old stories created by the Jimmy Swaggerts and Jim Bakers of pre-history to tithe money out of people who actually worked for their living.
   37. Steve Treder Posted: April 01, 2013 at 08:18 PM (#4401607)
I still can't believe he left M*A*S*H for Hello, Larry.

Well, maybe, but I will still say that the worst words one could hear from the avuncular voice of Ed McMahon, when debating whether to leave the TV on past the end of the local news, was "tonight's guest host is McLean Stevenson!"

OK, that's it, lights out.
   38. Bruce Markusen Posted: April 01, 2013 at 09:22 PM (#4401671)
I must admit I don't remember much of McLean Stevenson's guest hosting of The Tonight Show, but he was brilliant as Henry Blake. One of TV's greatest characters. He had great comedic timing, along with an ability to make that character a perfect mix of incompetence, goofiness, and saintliness.
   39. Gonfalon B. Posted: April 01, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4401711)
I must admit I don't remember much of McLean Stevenson's guest hosting of The Tonight Show

I remember none at all, but I can't begin to calculate the hours I've spent watching "Match Game." The smarmy satisfaction Stevenson (and Gary Burghoff) exuded as they basked in what they perceived as their own incomparable wit was truly painful to behold. That, and Patti LOOKATMELOOKATMEI'MWEIRD Deutsch, who never met a "The dog chased the BLANK" question she wouldn't answer with "nuclear submarine" or "Mormon Tabernacle Choir."
   40. Walt Davis Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:14 PM (#4401728)
I still can't believe he left M*A*S*H for Hello, Larry.

Money, money, money ... money!

Short-term at least. 3rd (or 4th or 5th) banana on a show to the star is a big step up. And he was highly sought after. I may be remembering wrong, but I think he left for one of the bigger contracts in TV. (nothing on his Wiki page) In the long run, I'm sure collecting even more MASH residuals would have meant a lot more money.

And if he hadn't left we never would have had one of the most memorable moments in TV history.

And I'm as surprised as you are but according to Wiki, he left Mash for the "McLean Stevenson Show" and had one more series after that before Hello Larry in 1979. Yet it's Hello Larry we remember for its awfulness.

It may have just been the spin at the time, but Larry Linville left voluntarily to do nothing -- he felt the Burns character was played out and it was time for the show to move on. He was right ... if only they'd made the same decision with Hot Lips rather than having her waver between a 1970s feminist one week and a needy man-hungry bimbo the next.

Also, if God can squeeze him into his smitin' schedule -- Mike Farrell.
   41. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4401729)
I read the bible several times front to back as a young man. When God finally helped me realize the impossibility of reconciling the grand absurdity of it's massive contradictions, I became a man and put that mess of a book behind me, as God wants us all to do.

We await you at the real adult table, where you will actually be encouraged to use reason to reach answers, and no longer rely on hoary old stories created by the Jimmy Swaggerts and Jim Bakers of pre-history to tithe money out of people who actually worked for their living.


I guess as long as the Ayn Rand worshippers use this sort of Skeletor-style rhetoric in their discourse with the rest of us puny mortals, we don't have to worry about too many normal people joining their cause.
   42. jdennis Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:28 PM (#4401731)
well this lessens my faith in humanity.

as far as christianity is concerned, people should just read the book and not join the club. take whatever advice from it you want and live like you think it says you should live, and refuse any rewards it promises you. call god's bluff. if he screws you over he's a hypocrite and not worth worshipping anyway.
   43. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:44 PM (#4401736)
Short-term at least. 3rd (or 4th or 5th) banana on a show to the star is a big step up. And he was highly sought after. I may be remembering wrong, but I think he left for one of the bigger contracts in TV. (nothing on his Wiki page) In the long run, I'm sure collecting even more MASH residuals would have meant a lot more money.


Do 4th bananas get residuals?
   44. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4401738)
Is 36 the catholic position or something?
   45. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4401740)
36 is when someone with back problems and someone in a wheelchair are lying down, ignoring each other.
   46. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:54 PM (#4401741)
I guess as long as the Ayn Rand worshippers use this sort of Skeletor-style rhetoric in their discourse with the rest of us puny mortals, we don't have to worry about too many normal people joining their cause.


Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'it belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'it belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'it belongs to everyone.'
   47. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:55 PM (#4401743)
Who else is in the McLean Stevenson HOF? Shelley Long. David Caruso. Shannen Doherty. Others?
   48. cardsfanboy Posted: April 02, 2013 at 12:05 AM (#4401747)
Who else is in the McLean Stevenson HOF? Shelley Long. David Caruso. Shannen Doherty. Others?


Farrah Fawcet? Suzzane Summers? Wayne Rogers? John Travolta/George Clooney(I guess it worked out for them)
Dick York? Lecy Goranson? (not really the same thing I guess, since they were replaced with different actors)
   49. greenback calls it soccer Posted: April 02, 2013 at 12:10 AM (#4401749)
David Caruso has an Internet meme now, so I think he escaped McLean Stevenson depths.
   50. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 02, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4401750)
What did Farrah Fawcett walk away from?

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'it belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'it belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'it belongs to everyone.'


'Sure!' says the rich man, 'as long as it's mine, and as long as what's yours is mine too!'

CSI Miami did save Caruso from the actors' poorhouse, though becoming an internet joke is a fairly high price to pay. He was very good on NYPD Blue. Too bad it didn't translate to the big screen, or too bad he was in such crappy stuff. Not sure which.
   51. Select Storage Device Posted: April 02, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4401754)
A fifty-something man writing at length about how he was "bullied" via Twitter. I already thought the word "bullying" had become something near meaningless, but now I'm fairly sure it is.


Right. Bullying only exists when it's a max small group of real live dudes flossin', shoving, and poking like the kids from Cobra Kai. Eff it when a man with 260,000 people following his words decides to call you fat, bald, and your wife fat and ugly. At least Gaines' original ####### tweet was specific to only Chipper.
   52. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 02, 2013 at 12:28 AM (#4401756)
The author reminds me of Lassus for some reason.

Right. Bullying only exists when it's a max small group of real live dudes flossin', shoving, and poking like the kids from Cobra Kai. Eff it when a man with 260,000 people following his words decides to call you fat, bald, and your wife fat and ugly. At least Gaines' original ####### tweet was specific to only Chipper.


Hmm. I get your point, but I think the guy forfeits most rights in this regard by taking the first swing, especially with things as nasty as adultery and steroids, the latter of which, if it was believed, could easily keep Jones out of the Hall. I suspect Jones knows that, too.

It's like pistol whipping a guy--if you end up on the ground with a bunch of his friends kicking your ribs in, you pretty much asked for it.
   53. Walt Davis Posted: April 02, 2013 at 01:39 AM (#4401770)
Do 4th bananas get residuals?

Everybody gets residuals. That's just standard SAG contract stuff.

If you're a big star then you can negotiate a piece of the syndication rights, that's where the big money is. (generally by being an exec producer of the show from the start or arguing your way into it later.)

But, yes, I assume Gary Berghoff is leading a perfectly comfortable life.

He was very good on NYPD Blue.

We watched different versions of NYPD Blue apparently. :-)
   54. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 02, 2013 at 02:47 AM (#4401788)
I did not know that about residuals. I wonder if even a lesser banana like Burghoff is able to get a tiny piece of syndication rights after the show is a hit for a few years.

You didn't like Caruso on NYPD Blue? That's discouraging. He seemed like the kind of actor suited perfectly to weekly, hourlong drama on the small screen. Good at letting the audience know directly what he was feeling, with an open, everyman sort of face, but without being abrasive (although I guess that didn't stop Dennis Franz from being a star. OTOH Franz rather quickly became a piteous figure, then a figure of redemption, at which point the show got too nice to be interesting. Gordon Jump? Really?? Then they introduced one of the first gay characters on tv, who of course had to be saintly. Ugh.)
   55. Greg K Posted: April 02, 2013 at 06:10 AM (#4401798)
Dan Stevens? Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje? (though I don't think he left Lost anticipating a career as a star) Katherine Heigl!

There's the opposite side of the coin, where a show for some reason soldiers on after the exit of a star (Steve Carell and the Office, seemingly the entire cast of That 70s Show).
   56. Greg K Posted: April 02, 2013 at 06:18 AM (#4401800)
Since this place seems semi-appropriate for this rant:

Lately I've been catching up with the Office (one of my all-time favourite shows, but my interest petered out some time during season 4-5 and I haven't kept up to date at all). I've just finished watching season 7, and was following along reading the episode blogs on the AV Club. I missed it at the time, but I guess the speculation of who was going to fill Michael Scott's job, and the news/gossip reports on which actors had signed what deal to appear on the show really dominated discussion. As a television viewer I don't think I'd want to know all that stuff. It detracts from my ability to delve into the universe of the show. I suppose maybe I sound like a baseball fan that doesn't want to hear about contract extensions/negotiations, but I'd rather just form a relationship with the show itself and ignore all non-canon elements.

Oh yeah, I suppose the one big McLean Stevenson club member I forgot was Claire Danes in My So Called Life. Though I suppose that's different in that her decision to leave actually ended the show.
   57. I Am Not a Number Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:18 AM (#4401810)
Who else is in the McLean Stevenson HOF?

Rob Lowe left the highly rated West Wing mid-series.
   58. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 09:10 AM (#4401834)
Yeah, so, I'm not Christian, but this frankly strikes me as an utterly absurd reading of the Gospels.

Jesus (supposedly) directly told people to turn the other cheek instead of responding in kind - even in circumstances far more serious than some pathetic Twitter fight. He also directly told people, for example, to worry about the beam in their own eye rather than condemning the mote in their brother's. And to love their enemy. And not to judge others. And that to call someone a fool is to risk eternal hell fire. And on and on and on.

But because he spoke strongly to certain people, you're happy to ignore all of the inconvenient stuff that he said so that it doesn't get in the way of some good ol' kickass mudslingin' fun time. Yeehah!


There are dozen of examples of Jesus and his disciples pushing back against unjust charges or prosecution.

The answer, as always, is complicated. Jesus teaches forgiveness, but does not teach being a doormat, or a pacifist. Jesus typically did not teach directly, but through stories and parables. Ultimately, verse picking never achieves anything in theological debates.

Edit: Oh, and both Chipper and this dude are both ########. But, since the author started it, and wrote a freaking article about it, I'd say he's a bigger #######.
   59. Answer Guy Posted: April 02, 2013 at 10:20 AM (#4401887)
I remember none at all, but I can't begin to calculate the hours I've spent watching "Match Game." The smarmy satisfaction Stevenson (and Gary Burghoff) exuded as they basked in what they perceived as their own incomparable wit was truly painful to behold. That, and Patti LOOKATMELOOKATMEI'MWEIRD Deutsch, who never met a "The dog chased the BLANK" question she wouldn't answer with "nuclear submarine" or "Mormon Tabernacle Choir."


Yeah, when you needed a match you asked Betty White, or, if White wasn't on that day, Richard Dawson.

Eventually they went to the spinning wheel.

This thread is part of why I don't follow pro jocks on Twitter.
   60. cardsfanboy Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4401975)
What did Farrah Fawcett walk away from?


Charlies Angels. She left after the first season. It ran for five.

Dan Stevens? Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje? (though I don't think he left Lost anticipating a career as a star) Katherine Heigl!

There's the opposite side of the coin, where a show for some reason soldiers on after the exit of a star (Steve Carell and the Office, seemingly the entire cast of That 70s Show).


My favorite of these was Valerie Harper leaving the show she was named after, Valerie, and watching it continue to soldier on(under new name of course, Hogan's Family)

   61. JJ1986 Posted: April 02, 2013 at 11:58 AM (#4401977)
Lately I've been catching up with the Office (one of my all-time favourite shows, but my interest petered out some time during season 4-5 and I haven't kept up to date at all). I've just finished watching season 7, and was following along reading the episode blogs on the AV Club. I missed it at the time, but I guess the speculation of who was going to fill Michael Scott's job, and the news/gossip reports on which actors had signed what deal to appear on the show really dominated discussion. As a television viewer I don't think I'd want to know all that stuff. It detracts from my ability to delve into the universe of the show. I suppose maybe I sound like a baseball fan that doesn't want to hear about contract extensions/negotiations, but I'd rather just form a relationship with the show itself and ignore all non-canon elements.


Just as a warning, Season 8 is horrifically bad.
   62. thetailor Posted: April 02, 2013 at 01:35 PM (#4402076)
Aren't people burying the lede here? Yes, the author is a turd too, but why are people not appalled that Chipper would go after a little nobody individual and his uninvolved fiancee?

In response to a single tweet, Chipper called him an "ignorant, balding, overweight dumbass" and that his fiancee "outweighs" him and his beer gut. And these are just some directly from Chipper, so who knows what else he or his followers said.

Again, author is a grown man, who is a dick about Chipper's alleged faith, and who started it with his comment. But this isn't about him, it's about Chipper. And Chipper is a world class prick.
   63. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4402085)
Aren't people burying the lede here? Yes, the author is a turd too, but why are people not appalled that Chipper would go after a little nobody individual and his uninvolved fiancee?

In response to a single tweet, Chipper called him an "ignorant, balding, overweight dumbass" and that his fiancee "outweighs" him and his beer gut. And these are just some directly from Chipper, so who knows what else he or his followers said.

Again, author is a grown man, who is a dick about Chipper's alleged faith, and who started it with his comment. But this isn't about him, it's about Chipper. And Chipper is a world class prick.


Did you see post [2]? This guy started it by being a huge prick to Chipper. He brought Chipper's uninvolved wife into it with the adultery crack. Chipper is wrong, but this guy is worse.

You can't start a mudslinging fight and they cry when you get dirty.
   64. PerroX Posted: April 02, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4402108)
Don't pick a fight with somebody who can kick your ass. Unless you enjoy that sort of thing...
   65. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 02, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4402121)
To me it's simple, Gaines took a cowardly pot shot at someone and it blew up in his face. Since religion was brought up, let's just say he was smote (smited? smitten? ah, you know what I mean!). Chipper Jones was merely a tool of God's wrath.
   66. Lassus Posted: April 02, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4402185)
The author reminds me of Lassus for some reason.

You forget. I don't give a crap about men.
   67. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4402285)
Oh yeah, I suppose the one big McLean Stevenson club member I forgot was Claire Danes in My So Called Life.


She's gone on to be a pretty big star with Emmys, so I'd say it worked out for her.

Good call on Valerie Harper and Katherin Heigl.

Lisa Bonet? Patrick Duffy? Does Charlie Sheen count?
   68. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 02, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4402292)
But this isn't about him, it's about Chipper.


Why would it be about Chipper? If someone slanders me in public I'd punch him in the nuts too.
   69. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 02, 2013 at 04:45 PM (#4402315)
Why would it be about Chipper? If someone slanders me in public I'd punch him in the nuts too.

Chipper was actually anti-nut-punching in this case.
   70. Lassus Posted: April 02, 2013 at 04:51 PM (#4402323)
You all fail for not putting Denise Crosby in this thread. She is inner-circle McLean Stevenson HOF.
   71. cardsfanboy Posted: April 02, 2013 at 04:57 PM (#4402330)
You all fail for not putting Denise Crosby in this thread. She is inner-circle McLean Stevenson HOF.


D'oh.... You are right, massive failure on our part.
   72. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 02, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4402332)
As a television viewer I don't think I'd want to know all that stuff. It detracts from my ability to delve into the universe of the show.

I can totally see that, but when Idris Elba was fresh off The Wire and I heard he was going to be on the Office, I was thrilled. Of course, I'd've probably been even more thrilled if he just showed up when I happened to be watching it.
   73. Swedish Chef Posted: April 02, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4402384)
But this isn't about him, it's about Chipper. And Chipper is a world class prick.

Nope, the interesting person here is the writer/troll.
   74. Copronymus Posted: April 02, 2013 at 06:44 PM (#4402453)
As a television viewer I don't think I'd want to know all that stuff. It detracts from my ability to delve into the universe of the show. I suppose maybe I sound like a baseball fan that doesn't want to hear about contract extensions/negotiations, but I'd rather just form a relationship with the show itself and ignore all non-canon elements.


I think the insider stuff does a lot more harm than good. It's basically ruined any possibility for a discussion of post-Dan Harmon Community on its own merits, for example, since the only thing anyone wants to talk about now is him and how much better the show used to be. Plus, basically everyone is convinced that it's either so wildly different that it's a totally separate show or so creepily close that it's too much like fan fiction. The show probably has changed, but I'd have preferred not to have known about the behind-the-scenes changes until after I'd already seen everything instead of seeing the new season through the prism of all that drama.
   75. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 02, 2013 at 07:25 PM (#4402475)
@57: For some reason I remember this: Lowe left The WW for good enough reasons. And didn't Katherine Heigl go on to make a fair bit of money doing rom-coms? She didn't disappear the way Stevenson did, iirc.

Fawcett did indeed vanish for about four years after leaving Angels, but the wiki tells me she had quite a nice career, became a respected actress for good reason, had bucks to burn and kept her looks. That's as though Stevenson went on to win a number of Emmy's post MASH. I think FF escapes the MS club.

@74: agree with you in most cases, but the internal doings with the Firefly cast made for a pleasant hour's research. That they all loved the show, kept all sorts of memorabilia, and would love to do it again if the opportunity arises adds to the show's luster for me.

Of course, it's not an ongoing show, so may fall into a different category than Community.
   76. cardsfanboy Posted: April 02, 2013 at 07:37 PM (#4402483)
@74: agree with you in most cases, but the internal doings with the Firefly cast made for a pleasant hour's research. That they all loved the show, kept all sorts of memorabilia, and would love to do it again if the opportunity arises adds to the show's luster for me.


I got to meet Morena Baccarin last weekend...mind you all she did was sign a piece of paper and say Hi...but still it was a good weekend(along with meeting Lando Calrissian...I mean Billy D Williams who it seems is pretty addled these days, Stan Lee and a few others) :)
   77. zenbitz Posted: April 02, 2013 at 07:40 PM (#4402487)
I guess as long as the Ayn Rand worshippers use this sort of Skeletor-style rhetoric in their discourse with the rest of us puny mortals,


And ... in a surprising turn of events, Crispix wins the thread with the phrase "Skeletor-style rhetoric". Which, if I was a handle-changin' sort of dude, I would change my handle to.

   78. zenbitz Posted: April 02, 2013 at 07:40 PM (#4402488)
Chipper was actually anti-nut-punching in this case.


So was Jesus.

Disclaimer: Not valid for Pharisees.
   79. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 02, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4402495)
@76: she is a very beautiful woman. Given that roster, I assume it was a comic-con or the like...? That's too bad, about Williams. I suppose he's into his 70s.

I would have guessed, what with V. and Homeland that she'd be skipping the circuit. Some people can't handle days off, maybe.

btw, can anyone tell me what I missed with the Sopranos? We had a falling out midway through the first season. My gf did too. Tony's feelings about the ducks in his swimming pool made me think this was going to be an interesting show, but then it quickly turned into conventional, gangster soap opera, \"#### this", \"#### that"... Anyone else feel this way?

"Skeletor-style rhetoric"... There are painful gaps in my pop culture arsenal. I've only heard Skeletor wrt Lori in TWD. What does it mean?
   80. cardsfanboy Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4402527)
Given that roster, I assume it was a comic-con or the like...? That's too bad, about Williams. I suppose he's into his 70s.


Wizard World Comic con in St Louis(first one for us) I think a lot of these people like doing the conventions, but I imagine that going to St Louis is not high on their list of favorite places to go (we didn't get Bruce Campbell, John Barrowman, Patrick Stewart(Philly looks to be a great con) and several of the bigger names only showed up for one day) Last day had a foot of snow coming down so I it was pretty dead.

   81. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4402553)
btw, can anyone tell me what I missed with the Sopranos? We had a falling out midway through the first season. My gf did too. Tony's feelings about the ducks in his swimming pool made me think this was going to be an interesting show, but then it quickly turned into conventional, gangster soap opera, \"#### this", \"#### that"... Anyone else feel this way?


You missed one of the most important television dramas. By combining a charismatic actor with a immoral background, it set the stage for Oz, the Shield, Deadwood, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and generally the golden age of television dramas we now find ourselves in. (This statement is the thesis of Alan Sepinwall's book "The Revolution Was Televised," which I liked a lot)

You also missed Joe Pantoliano being really entertaining for about a season.
   82. zenbitz Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:41 PM (#4402561)
Skeletor = pompous he-man villain. 80s sat morning cartoon
   83. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 02, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4402578)
Just scroll through all these Skeletor quotes and you will get an impression of his personality. He liked to alternate between saying everyone was a miserable worm who would be annihilated by his superior power and guile, and trying to appeal to individual people's vanity by saying they aren't like the rest of the miserable worms. Then at the end of the episode when he got cornered, he would try to explain logically how ridiculous it would be for anyone except him to be the ruler, but basically all he could think of as a reason was "I am great! I am the one who is great. Everyone else is merely fit for following orders. Unlike those of us who are great, by which I mean me." Just like John Galt.
   84. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: April 02, 2013 at 09:21 PM (#4402611)
Skeletor was the villain in He-Man (Starring Adam Byrnes as Prince Adam.)

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