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Gallo’s Home Run Production Stands Alone - BaseballAmerica.com

If he can continue to make adjustments, he’s going to be a monster.

Jim Furtado Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4713897)
His K-rate is down to .258 per PA, it was .368 last year.

.258 is very high for a prospect in the Carolina League, but .368 was off the charts - Ryan Howard was at .270 for his minor league career and maxed out at .298.

So while there was literally almost no precedent for a guy who struck out as much as 2013 Gallo to make it (Rob Deer...), so far in 2014 he's at a rate that has seen a few more prospects manage to pull off.
   2. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 27, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4713908)
Yankee catcher Pete O'Brien has 18HR in 177 AB between Hi-A and AA this season.
   3. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 27, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4713911)
Yankee catcher Pete O'Brien has 18HR in 177 AB


and 50 in 836 ABs career
Gallo has 80 in 779 Abs...

and Gallo is 3 years younger and actually takes a walk every now and then

Being a catcher makes O'Brien interesting, a Lance Parrish type hitter if the Yankees get lucky, John Buck/Miguel Olivo type if they don't
   4. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: May 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM (#4713912)
Being a catcher makes O'Brien interesting, a Lance Parrish type hitter if the Yankees get lucky, John Buck/Miguel Olivo type if they don't


They're moving him off the position. He has like eleventy quintillion passed balls. He's not a catcher.
   5. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4713918)
He has like eleventy quintillion passed balls. He's not a catcher.


They said the same thing about Posada, he eventually almost fought the position to a draw.

Pete O'Brien NOT catching starts looking like Mike Jacobs... pass.
   6. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4713927)
Joey Gallo? He's dead. This is Joey *Callo*.
   7. Blastin Posted: May 27, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4713933)
(knocks over items on judge's desk)
   8. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 27, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4713935)
Being a catcher makes O'Brien interesting, a Lance Parrish type hitter if the Yankees get lucky, John Buck/Miguel Olivo type if they don't



Nitpicking but the reality is that a guy currently at AA becoming an MLB player of any note is fairly fortunate. Buck and Olivo were hardly stars but I wouldn't deem that outcome as "unlucky." If O'Brien, the 94th pick of the 2012 draft, has Olivo's career he will equal Chris Stynes as the 3rd most successful player drafted at that spot.
   9. The Good Face Posted: May 27, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4713945)
If he can continue to make adjustments, he’s going to be a monster.


If everything shakes out right for him, he could be a reasonable facsimile of Troy Glaus, only perhaps with more power and strikeouts.

I'm looking forward to John Daniels trading him for a middle reliever like he has every other power hitting prospect Texas has produced in the past decade.
   10. Ace of Kevin Bass Posted: May 27, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4713953)
Joey Gallo? He's dead. This is Joey *Callo*.


Genuinely one of the best movies ever made. And one of the most accurate about legal procedure, believe it or not.
   11. Blastin Posted: May 27, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4713969)
I shot the clerk.
   12. KT's Pot Arb Posted: May 27, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4713977)
Also one of the rare Hollywood films almost entirely lacking true villains, just flawed characters set at opposition, a film that was comfortable it could entertain with natural conflict and realistic story lines..
   13. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: May 27, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4713984)
I took a one day class on direct and cross examination that focused almost exclusively on the movie. There are a ton of great lessons for lawyers.
   14. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 27, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4714003)
Nitpicking but the reality is that a guy currently at AA becoming an MLB player of any note is fairly fortunate. Buck and Olivo were hardly stars but I wouldn't deem that outcome as "unlucky."

He's got a lot of power for a C, I said being a C makes him interesting because his downside looks like a Olivo/Buck type player- but Olivo's got 8.1 WAR in 4000 PAs, Buck has 5.2 in 3952, they are basically borderline guys who played a long time, and if they weren't Cs they wouldn't even have that they'd either have no MLB time or be -0.2 in 225 PAs or something like that- right in line with your typical 94th pick.


If he ends up at first (apparently 3rd wasn't going to work so now they are trying the OF- lots of luck with that), then he turns into Mike Jacobs- if he's lucky
   15. Boxkutter Posted: May 27, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4714012)
I drafted him a couple years ago in my DMB league so I've been following Gallo (not O'Brien) pretty closely. Since I've also got Freddie Freeman, Nolan Arenado, and Carlos Gonzalez, I am really hoping that the Rangers move Gallo to RF. He's not a behemoth like Ryan Howard was. Gallo is listed at 6'5" and 205lbs. He can steal 10+ bases a year, so he is mobile. He also threw mid-90s heat as a pitcher coming out of high school (some scouts thought his swing-and-miss potential as a hitter meant he should be drafted as a pitcher). With Beltre locked up for several more years, and Gallo maybe knocking on the majors' door at the end of the next season... I think RF would be a good place for him. And for my team...
   16. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: May 27, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4714025)
You think I'm hostile now, wait 'til you see me tonight.
   17. alilisd Posted: May 27, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4714061)
Joey Gallo? He's dead.


When I search Baseball Reference for Joey Gallo, that is what is returned. Odd!
   18. Walt Davis Posted: May 27, 2014 at 05:43 PM (#4714156)
With Beltre locked up for several more years

Beltre's contract is up next year. There's a vesting option for 2016 based on PA.
   19. lonestarball Posted: May 27, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4714192)

I'm looking forward to John Daniels trading him for a middle reliever like he has every other power hitting prospect Texas has produced in the past decade.


Cliff Lee was a middle reliever?

I'm trying to figure out who, other than Chris Davis, is being referred to here.
   20. Comic Strip Person Posted: May 27, 2014 at 07:11 PM (#4714198)
Mike Olt, who was traded for middle reliever Matt Garza.
   21. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 27, 2014 at 07:38 PM (#4714207)
Chris McGuiness?
Chad Tracy?
Mauro Gomez?
   22. Into the Void Posted: May 27, 2014 at 07:42 PM (#4714208)
Joey, what made them want to come and blow you away? http://youtu.be/lrjBgbr3K4s
   23. The Good Face Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4714305)
I'm trying to figure out who, other than Chris Davis, is being referred to here.


Adrian Gonzales for Akinora Otsuka. Mike Olt for the corpse of Matt Garza. And the Chris Davis trade was kind of a big deal.

But hey, what kind of Rangers fan doesn't enjoy "Mitch Moreland V; Now Batting Third!"?
   24. lonestarball Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4714308)
Adrian Gonzales for Akinora Otsuka. Mike Olt for the corpse of Matt Garza. And the Chris Davis trade was kind of a big deal.


Adam Eaton, not Otsuka, was the primary piece in the Adrian Gonzalez trade.

And I don't think Matt Garza was a middle reliever.
   25. The Good Face Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:09 AM (#4714471)
Adam Eaton, not Otsuka, was the primary piece in the Adrian Gonzalez trade.


That is NOT a point in John Daniels' favor.

And I don't think Matt Garza was a middle reliever.


True, a middle reliever might have been useful. To be fair, Olt hasn't exactly set the world afire himself, but when you're looking at year 5 of the Mitch Moreland experience, don't you think it might be wise to stop trading away every slugging prospect in your organization? Even Smoak, widely considered a disappointment, was more valuable in 2013 than Mitch Moreland has been in his entire 5 year career.

   26. lonestarball Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4714521)
I'm sorry. I was addressing the "traded every power hitting prospect for a middle reliever" issue. I didn't realize you were just trolling.

I'm not sure what the Adrian Gonzalez trade -- which was 8 years ago -- has to do with Joey Gallo, or what Mike Olt, for that matter, has to do with Gallo, but if it makes you sleep better at night to believe that those deals mean Gallo is getting traded for a middle reliever, more power to you.

   27. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4714529)
Adam Eaton, not Otsuka, was the primary piece in the Adrian Gonzalez trade.

That is NOT a point in John Daniels' favor.


Well I think you could see that trade as 3 separate trades:
A challenge trade:
Adam Eaton for Chris Young (Padres won)

A middle reliever for a power hitting prospect:
Akinora Otsuka for Adrian Gonzalez (Padres won)

A minor league filler for a busted prospect trade:
Billy killian for Termel Sledge (draw? Nippon Ham won?)

   28. The Good Face Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4714560)
I'm sorry. I was addressing the "traded every power hitting prospect for a middle reliever" issue. I didn't realize you were just trolling.


Pointing out that John Daniels has traded almost every power hitting prospect his system has developed for crappy pitching, usually middle relievers, is not trolling. Are you his little brother or something?

I'm not sure what the Adrian Gonzalez trade -- which was 8 years ago -- has to do with Joey Gallo, or what Mike Olt, for that matter, has to do with Gallo, but if it makes you sleep better at night to believe that those deals mean Gallo is getting traded for a middle reliever, more power to you.


It's called a pattern of behavior. Daniels has a long track record of trading away young power hitting prospects for big bags of crap (plus a couple months of Cliff Lee). But hey, it's not like a team that was starting Mitch Moreland at DH BEFORE Prince Fielder went down could use a power bat, right?
   29. lonestarball Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4714576)
Hey, in retrospect, it would be great if the Rangers hadn't traded Chris Davis. But at the time they made the deal, Davis was in AAA, was on his last option, was 25 years old, and after his huge 2008 campaign, had yearly OPSs of 726, 571, and 707. He had been given multiple opportunities, and had a 755 OPS in 953 major league plate appearances. He figured it out for the Orioles, after he was dealt for Koji Uehara (who, again, I'm not sure is properly classified as a "big bag of crap," "crappy pitching," or a middle reliever, but whatever).

I'm happy for Davis. He is, by all accounts, a great guy, and I hope he continues to succeed. But again, I'm not sure what this has to do with Joey Gallo.

As for Mike Olt, he turns 26 in August, was traded last year in the midst of a season where he was putting up a 739 OPS in Round Rock, and then had a 551 OPS for Iowa after he was traded to the Cubs. He currently has a .174/.248/.421 slash line for the Cubs. Oh, and he's a 3B, a position where the Rangers are pretty well covered right now with Adrian Beltre. Personally, I didn't like the Garza trade when it was made, and Jon Daniels has acknowledged that deal as a mistake.

Once again, I'm not sure what this has to do with Joey Gallo.

As for Moreland, as a point of clarification, before Fielder was injured, he platooning at DH with Michael Choice...a power prospect, interestingly enough, that the Rangers acquired from the Oakland A's this offseason. But yes, Moreland hasn't met expectations.

If anything, the situation at the major league level would seem to suggest Gallo is probably, along with Jorge Alfaro, the least likely player in the organization to be dealt.

But again, if it makes you feel better to think Gallo is going to be traded sometime this summer for a crappy middle reliever, feel free to continue to think that.
   30. The Good Face Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4714604)
Hey, in retrospect, it would be great if the Rangers hadn't traded Chris Davis. But at the time they made the deal, Davis was in AAA, was on his last option, was 25 years old, and after his huge 2008 campaign, had yearly OPSs of 726, 571, and 707. He had been given multiple opportunities, and had a 755 OPS in 953 major league plate appearances. He figured it out for the Orioles, after he was dealt for Koji Uehara (who, again, I'm not sure is properly classified as a "big bag of crap," "crappy pitching," or a middle reliever, but whatever).

I'm happy for Davis. He is, by all accounts, a great guy, and I hope he continues to succeed. But again, I'm not sure what this has to do with Joey Gallo.

As for Mike Olt, he turns 26 in August, was traded last year in the midst of a season where he was putting up a 739 OPS in Round Rock, and then had a 551 OPS for Iowa after he was traded to the Cubs. He currently has a .174/.248/.421 slash line for the Cubs. Oh, and he's a 3B, a position where the Rangers are pretty well covered right now with Adrian Beltre. Personally, I didn't like the Garza trade when it was made, and Jon Daniels has acknowledged that deal as a mistake.


Yes, it's evidence that Daniels sells low on power prospects. Lots of guys struggle for a year or two out of the gate; even Mike Trout sucked his very first time up. Chris Davis wasn't setting the world on fire, but he had one overwhelming tool; absolute light tower power. Mitch Moreland was about the same in terms of age and performance level, but his best tool was his throwing arm. Why keep the guy with no upside and sell low on the guy who could hit 50 home runs if he figured things out?

As for Moreland, as a point of clarification, before Fielder was injured, he platooning at DH with Michael Choice...a power prospect, interestingly enough, that the Rangers acquired from the Oakland A's this offseason. But yes, Moreland hasn't met expectations.


He's met expectations perfectly well. He's been pretty much a replacement player over the past 4 seasons, and, guess what, he's at 0 WAR so far in 2014. Mitch Moreland is doing exactly what you'd expect Mitch Moreland to do.

If anything, the situation at the major league level would seem to suggest Gallo is probably, along with Jorge Alfaro, the least likely player in the organization to be dealt.

But again, if it makes you feel better to think Gallo is going to be traded sometime this summer for a crappy middle reliever, feel free to continue to think that.


Nah, Daniels will wait for Gallo to struggle in a few hundred MLB PAs. THEN he'll trade him for some crappy pitching when his value is at its lowest. We're probably at least a couple years away from that.
   31. Walt Davis Posted: May 28, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4714891)
This is entertaining ...

Moreland 2.2 WAR in 1706 PA
Davis 2.3 WAR in 1801 PA ... plus 6.1 WAR in 2013

Through age 25, Moreland had 1.5 WAR in about 1050 PA; Davis had -.4 WAR in about 1050 PA.

Moreland was still ahead through age 26.
   32. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 28, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4714922)
Moreland also hit .314/.382/.512 in the minors

Davis hit .318/.374/.596

Chris Davis wasn't setting the world on fire, but he had one overwhelming tool; absolute light tower power.


That also describes Mike Jacobs...

But at the risk of agreeing with GF on something- but Davis was a monster in the minors, even accounting for his leagues/parks, hit .285/.331/.549 as a 22 year old rookie (128 OPS+), stumbled in his sophomore year (horrible 1st half, but hit .308/.338/.496 in 36 post all star break games)

next year was a wipe out, spend most of the year in AAA hitting .327/.383/.520, had 3 stints in Texas, lasting about 2 weeks each stint, one in April, one in July, one in September, didn't hit in any of the the three MLB stints.

next year, gets demoted after hitting .250/.321/.479 in 20 games, hits .368/.405/.824 in 48 games in AAA, comes up for a week, and basically goes 5 for 24... and gets traded for Koji Uehara

That to me looks like just about the worst way possible to handle a prospect, worse than how KC jerked around Gordon, here you have a guy who had absolutely nothing left to learn or adjust to in AAA, who basically gets demoted every time he slumps for 2 weeks (And his last year with Texas actually gets demoted while hitting reasonably well.

Walt's Davis/Moreland comp is misleading because:
1: Davis had a minor league track record (same parks/leagues as Moreland) that said he was better and
2; Davis was far less consistent than Moreland at the MLB level, but did sporadically show a level of hitting ability that Moreland never showed.

OTOH Texas was a contending team, and Davis having an absolute suckhole slump was worse than having Moreland puttering around with a 100 OPS+. A 70 win team should not play a 100 OPS+ non-entity over a young guy who might hit 125 or 75, but to a contending team the risk of having that upside guy hit 75 when they can safely get 100 well the scales adjust a bit differently- having a prospect bust and hit 75 really doesn't cost a 70 win team anything- it could cost a contending team a playoff spot.

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