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1. Mefisto Posted: September 06, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4228492)Without knowing for sure, I'm guessing if you could change the outcome, Mattingly was going to pick Game 5 of the '95 LDS.
(Perhaps I'm weird in wanting to re-live great Yankee moments rather than see notable baseball history. I will admit that didn't cross my mind at first. Jeeze, now it's even tougher.)
-- MWE
And I'm with RB; I'd want to see a great moment in my team's history. I'm fairly certain seeing Cleveland win the World Series would render me utterly speechless and reduce me to a blubbering mass of tears of joy.
My first choice was going to be the Merkle game - not just for the obvious history/craziness of it, but I'm also curious how familiar deadball baseball would seem to modern eyes.
But this quote got me thinking, maybe I'd rather see Game 6 of the 1948 World Series and then try to find my 13-year-old dad celebrating in the street with his brother-in-law. Although having the 44-year-old me interacting with my 13-year-old father could have grave implications for the space-time continuum.
EDIT: Well, Game 6 was in Boston, and my dad was in Cleveland, although if time travel exists, you'd think I could also travel from Boston to Cleveland that day, too.
Although the 1948 game would allow me to hang out with my four-year-old dad about 50 miles south of Cleveland.
2. Game 3 of the 1932 World Series
4. The Merkle game
The biggest draw of sports is that we never know what'll happen next. I wouldn't want to ruin that.
Yeah, that was my conundrum too (substituting Red Sox for Yankees). I think from a historical perspective I'd like to see a classic Negro Leagues game.
Give me a ticket and 5 bucks.
How would we know which Ricky he was talking about? Would he have to invent a 4th person usage? Or would it be 1/2?
Unless we wanted to clarify a mystery. Like knowing the events of the Merkle game and being able to focus on the disputed actions and events....like what happens to the ball...does McGinnity intercept it etc.
DA's No. 11 is a fine runner-up.
One of Ty Cobb's "jump in the stands and beat the crap out of a fan" game.
I'm on my phone, soI can't look it up, but I remember reading about Walter Johmson, at the end of his career coming into a World Series game in relief and pitching six inning. If it was a real game, I'd love to see it.
oct 10, 1924. he came on in relief and beat the giants in game 7. one of the big feel good stories of baseball history. he was at the end of his career and they had never won anything.
Or Game 1 of the 1919 World Series, to determine if the Black Sox were, in fact, blatantly throwing it.
I would love to see how that Orioles team played ball, see inside baseball at its best
The fascination of walking through an era from long before my birth outweighs the drama of any one baseball game. I'd probably spend more time looking at and chatting with the spectators than the action on the field. So I want something from at least pre-WWII. I also want something in NYC, my hometown, and I want a game that's well-attended, one where the crowd is likely to get a little rowdy. It would be nice to see some HOFers. A cracking good game would be nice too. I get the point about preserving mystery, but these other factors are more important to me. I think Merkle's Boner hits all of the marks.
I think you're overselling this point. The mystery of sports is important, but it's also commonplace. We all watch dozens (maybe hundreds) of sporting events a year, and most of them are forgettable. I think I would rather see someone like Babe Ruth or Walter Johnson or Ty Cobb play well in a forgettable game than a bunch of nobodies in a nail biter.
Some modern historians conjecture that
a) the rules for baseball were developed in the late 1830s-early 1840s in NYC;
b) they found their way to West Point;
c) Cadet Abner Doubleday showed off these new rules during a visit to Cooperstown; and
d) One little kid named Abner Graves, who watched Doubleday introduce NYC baseball to Cooperstown, grew up into an insane old man who mis-remembered long-ago event as "Doubleday invented the whole sport of baseball in Cooperstown."
I'd also like to see the Ty Cobb "I'm 38 and I can hit home runs when I want to, so I'll go 6 for 6 with three home runs" game.
I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the 34 All Star Game. It's add the Polo Grounds, which is the stadium I'd most like to visit, and it has Hubbell strike out Ruth, Gehrig, Foxx, Simmons, and Cronin consecutively.
Not an easy choice, but I'd agree with it, along with the subsequent makeup game that decided the pennant. Fred Lieb covered baseball for over 70 years and he said that he'd never witnessed an atmosphere surrounding a game that could match that "playoff". (Which wasn't a playoff, but whatever.)
But the competition is strong:
---Game 8 of the 1912 World Series
---Opening Day at Yankee Stadium, 1923
---Game 7 of the 1924 World Series
---A 1931 Cardinals-Cubs doubleheader in Sportsman's Park where they stopped counting the crowd once it was more than 7,000 over capacity and spilled all over the field, frequently disrupting play. The first game alone had 23 doubles, nearly all of them ground rule hits that got lost in the outfield crowd.
---Babe Ruth's called shot game, but only if I could sit close enough to the Cubs' dugout to hear the bench jockeying of Ruth
---The first All-Star game in Comiskey Park, 1933
---Gabby Hartnett's "Homer in the Gloaming" game, which in some ways was just as dramatic as Thomson's. I've got a completely filled out scorebook for the last part of the 1938 Cubs and White Sox home games, and this game is in there.
---Lou Gehrig Day, Yankee Stadium, July 4, 1939
---Jackie Robinson's minor league and Major League debuts
---Satchel Paige's 5-hit shutout of the White Sox in his first Major League appearance in Comiskey Park, before a then-record crowd of 51,013
---The final two Yankees-Red Sox games of the 1949 pennant race
---The Thomson game, with the final 14 inning Dodgers-Phillies game of the regular season as a prelude
Pretty much everything after that I've seen already, or at least seen all of the players involved. It isn't really quite the same thing as the idea of seeing games from before I became a fan.
If not, I'd like to basically see a random game from like 1906 as #1, sitting in the outfield; and my #2 is the opening of Shea.
The fascination of walking through an era from long before my birth outweighs the drama of any one baseball game. I'd probably spend more time looking at and chatting with the spectators than the action on the field. So I want something from at least pre-WWII. I also want something in NYC, my hometown, and I want a game that's well-attended, one where the crowd is likely to get a little rowdy. It would be nice to see some HOFers. A cracking good game would be nice too. I get the point about preserving mystery, but these other factors are more important to me. I think Merkle's Boner hits all of the marks.
PF, until you can get a time machine, you would love reading Arnold Hano's A Day in the Bleachers, which is an entire book written from a Polo Grounds fan's perspective of the first game of the 1954 World Series. I saw that entire game on TV, with one huge exception: I was running from school to home at the time of the Willie Mays catch. Ouch!
Yes, he was on the grassy knoll.
Pretty easy for me. Get to see my great-grand-pappy win the World Series for the first time.
Family connections aside, I think I'd be inclined to go with the Harvey Haddix game.
Did you ever contact Dave Smith to see if they could use it for Retrosheet (copied of course)? If not you should - I don't know what all they have for 1938 but Chicago has been a notoriously tough place to get PBP.
-- MWE
That's the one for me, too. I'm a bit surprised that it doesn't show up on more lists.
As an A's fan, and a baseball fan in general, I'd love to see the A's against the 1927 Yankees. Foxx, Cobb, Eddie Collins, Cochrane, Bucketfoot Al, Zack Wheat, Grove....against that iconic team.
July 4, 1939 Yankee Stadium (Lou Gehrig Day)
Did you ever contact Dave Smith to see if they could use it for Retrosheet (copied of course)? If not you should - I don't know what all they have for 1938 but Chicago has been a notoriously tough place to get PBP.
-- MWE
I loaned a whole bunch of those (Texaco) scorebooks to Dave about 15 years ago when I had my book shop, along with a donation of many years of Sporting Life microfilm reels. I sold all but the Hartnett game book after I got them back. The greatest thing about these scorebooks was that the guy who kept score was so accurate, neat, and 100% complete---but then this was Wrigley Field in Chicago, not Wrigley Field in Los Angeles. (/snark)
Not the same as seeing it, obviously, but there is a recording of the radio broadcast, and it is delightful.
Other than that, I'd pick a PCL game from Williams' year playing for the San Diego Clippers, I think. Maybe a warm June day in Oakland, or a hot August one in Los Angeles.
If someone asked me to choose a pre-1958 PCL game, that would be a difficult decision. Do you see Joe DiMaggio play for the Seals? Ted Williams for the Padres? The 1934 Angels, who Bill James wrote were stronger than the better-known 1937 Newark Bears? One of those wars between the Angels and the Hollywood Stars (the second edition, that played at Gilmore Field)? Maybe the notorious Vernon Tigers, once owned by Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle (he had sold them before the 1921 incident that wrecked his career).
may 26, 1959: harvey haddix's 12 inning almost perfect game
july 12, 1979: disco demolition night in chicago
june 12, 1970: dock ellis's 8 walk, acid-fueled no hitter
DB
- the famous 1934 pitching duel between Satchel Paige and Slim Jones at Yankee Stadium. (Jones was in the midst of arguably the greatest NgL pitching season ever.)
- the "Battle of the Butchered Balls" between Smoky Joe Williams and Chet Brewer under the Monarchs' rudimentary lights.
- Willie Foster throwing complete game shutouts in both ends of a doubleheader to win the 1926 pennant on the last day of the season.
- game 8 of the 1924 Colored World Series
2) Game 5, 1969 WS
1) Any game I went to with my mother.
Thanks for the link, which turns up yet another oddity - 77 PA, 51 outs, zero Ks. How many post-deadball games have had stats anything like that.
So what do I want to see?
(a) An old-time stadium.
(b) Some of the best players from before my time.
(c) An impressive feat, obviously something for which I know the outcome, but I haven't ever witnessed the build-up to that outcome.
So... 1934 All Star Game. And don't tell me how it ends yet, I haven't looked it up!
And you can also give yourself stock tips!
Bottom of the 5th, Senators Batting, Behind 0-13, Tigers' Billy Hoeft facing 6-7-8
1 out
H. Killebrew
Home Run
A game meaningless solo HR down 0-13 in the 5th,
but the 18 year old hit his first HR. I'd would have like to have been there.
Maybe sit in the Booze Cage at Old Rec, or put on a winter coat to watch a game at Ewing Field.
Used to be that WS games always ran faster than the regular season, as if players/umpires hustled more, or at least wasted time less. However, not all the games went quite that quickly. G3 in 1957, 12-3 Yanks over Braves, took 3:18. Of course, it had 90 total PA and featured 12K and 19BB(!!) - total pitch count must've been in the 350-400 range. That game today would be 4:30+.
1977 World Series Game 6
1970 All-Star Game
1971 All-Star Game
1954 World Series Game 1 (You get "The Catch" and a 3-run walk-off bomb from Dusty Rhodes.)
But the winner is:
1932 World Series Game 3 (Ruth hits a pair of HR, so does Gehrig. And maybe you figure out the mystery of the "Called Shot.")
1. Game 7, 1924 World Series. An easy choice for #1. Even with advance knowledge of what's going to happen, I bet I'd get goosebumps when Johnson comes out of the bullpen.
2. The Harvey Haddix game. The best pitching performance ever and a walk-off home ru--er, double. Yes please.
3. Game 6, 1975 World Series. I sit somewhere down the left field foul line, and bring the best digital video camera money can buy.
4. Like Bourbon was saying, an old A's game. Probably either Game 4 (the 10-run inning) or Game 5 (a walk-off comeback win to win the Series) of the 1929 World Series.
That's a great choice, although the bomb in question was basically a popup that was followed all the way to the 258' RF wall by the second baseman. To give you a point of comparison, it probably traveled at least 50 ft. less than Bucky Dent's famous homer in the 1978 ALE playoff.
Indeed. IIRC, it was this game of the 1947 World Series which caused much wailing and gnashing of teeth among the sporting press -- the first nine-inning Series game to last more than three hours.
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