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Monday, July 25, 2011

Gammons: Gillick, Alomar belong in Hall together

Really more of just a Gillick column, but whatever.

It’s Trade Deadline week, so it’s appropriate to go back to the ‘93 deadline. Gillick had two deals going, one with Oakland for Rickey Henderson (Steve Karsay and a player to be named later), one with Seattle for Randy Johnson (Karsay and Mike Timlin).

He wanted the Johnson deal, but Pat couldn’t find Woody Woodward, who was playing golf. Sandy Alderson called and took the Henderson deal.

Problem was, Rickey being Rickey, he wanted money to waive his rights. While that was being negotiated, Woodward called and said he’d take the Johnson deal.

Pat Gillick felt he had given his word to Alderson, even if the deal hadn’t been finalized. So he put the Seattle deal on hold.

Guapo Posted: July 25, 2011 at 06:42 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. McCoy Posted: July 25, 2011 at 07:18 PM (#3884855)
I wonder if he really was out playing golf or if he was simply trying to ratchet up the stress on Pat and it simply backfired. Seems kind of silly to be out and unavailable during this week.
   2. Greg K Posted: July 25, 2011 at 07:44 PM (#3884894)
Getting Randy Johnson for Timlin and Karsay would have been nice. Of course they probably would have traded him away by 95 or so anyway.
   3. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:19 PM (#3884948)
Randy for Timlin/Karsay? "Nice" would have been an understatement.
   4. Greg K Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:25 PM (#3884961)
What's the etiquette on GMs giving details of deals or almost-deals like this?
Once they've retired? Once the players involved have retired? Both?
   5. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:27 PM (#3884966)
LOL Woodward.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:42 PM (#3884985)

What's the etiquette on GMs giving details of deals or almost-deals like this?
Once they've retired? Once the players involved have retired? Both?


I wish it would happen a lot more. I love "what if" stories like this. Another good one:

He worked with Tal Smith in Houston, moved on to the Yankees and then built Toronto from scratch, and if Peter Bavasi hadn't vetoed the deal, he'd have traded Bill Singer for Ron Guidry in his first year with the Jays.


Of course, I'm sure he's getting this all from Gillick and we aren't hearing the "almost trades" that turned out to be real stupid.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: July 25, 2011 at 08:48 PM (#3884994)
Of course, I'm sure he's getting this all from Gillick and we aren't hearing the "almost trades" that turned out to be real stupid.


You are probably right, but it would be a good story where the GM acknowledges he got lucky. I mean from Woodwards perspective he could say "I almost had a deal where I traded Randy Johnson for Karsay/Timlin but I took too long making up my mind and by the time I got back with a yes, Gillick had already made a deal for Rickey".
   8. OsunaSakata Posted: July 26, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3885126)
I'd like to see Jeff Bagwell and Frank Thomas inducted into the Hall of Fame together.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: July 26, 2011 at 01:10 AM (#3885165)
I would be skeptical about the possibility of a Johnson-Karsay trade (Johnson had just turned the corner and was on his way to 19 wins, 300Ks and a near CYA), but I suppose if he got Rickey for Karsay in real life, anything's possible.
   10. rlc Posted: July 26, 2011 at 07:10 AM (#3885534)
Of course, I'm sure he's getting this all from Gillick and we aren't hearing the "almost trades" that turned out to be real stupid.


Bobby Bonilla for Chris Widger?
   11. Toolsy McClutch Posted: July 26, 2011 at 03:40 PM (#3885711)
I know there was talk of an RJ deal in Toronto at that time, and I was concerned that Rickey wouldn't be productive here.
   12. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:39 AM (#3886209)
Problem was, Rickey being Rickey, he wanted money to waive his rights.
WTF? Wanting compensation for giving up one's rights is "being Rickey"?
   13. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:24 AM (#3886225)
WTF? Wanting compensation for giving up one's rights is "being Rickey"?


Problem was, Gammons being Gammons, he wanted money to write for the Globe.

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