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Gardenhire says he’d like to return, but that’s up to Tigers

DETROIT (AP) — Ron Gardenhire doesn’t seem terribly stressed about his future.

The Detroit manager said Wednesday he’d like to return next season, but he’ll understand whatever decision the Tigers make. Gardenhire is in his second season at the helm, and it was obvious when he took over that the team would be facing a significant rebuild. Detroit went 64-98 last year and is on pace to lose well over 100 games in 2019.

“I go day to day, that’s all we ever do,” Gardenhire said. “I have a contract for next year. If they want me to come back next year, that’s fine. If they don’t want me to come back next year, so be it.”

The Tigers were 39-90 entering Wednesday night’s game against Cleveland. Gardenhire said the season has obviously been difficult — “my name’s stamped on this thing” — but he’s been through this type of rebuilding process before. Minnesota was in a similar spot toward the end of his tenure there.

Wait- after this season, he wants to come back?

 

QLE Posted: August 29, 2019 at 08:24 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. crict Posted: August 29, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5875411)
In general, should a team use the down part of their success cycle to also test unproven managers? There's not much to gain by using a known quantity like Gardenhire. I guess you can argue that establishing a culture, etc. is important, and might be better achieved by a veteran manager. On the flipside, it seems to me that when you approach the top of the success cycle then you should be very risk averse with your manager.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 29, 2019 at 06:32 PM (#5875412)
Florida man says he'd like to get out of the enclosure alive, but that's up to tigers.
   3. The Honorable Ardo Posted: August 29, 2019 at 07:24 PM (#5875417)
I don't want him back. There are too many staged temper tantrums and too many games where it feels like he's phoning it in (Harold Castro batting cleanup?). Get a young, hungry new guy.
   4. Tin Angel Posted: August 29, 2019 at 08:19 PM (#5875431)
I get #3, but can you really argue with the results so far?
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2019 at 11:39 PM (#5875470)
I had a job where I was about to leave in a few months, and then I got a buyout - I could get my full salary for 8 months, as long as I didn't land another job during that time.

Gardenhire can put all that time in and manage next year for free - or get paid the same to sit home.

even when the job is pretty cool, it's an odd scenario.
   6. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 30, 2019 at 08:28 AM (#5875515)
Gardenhire is not in the top 100 problems the Tigers have. That said, as a Twins fan I as never super impressed with him. Like most he has pluses and minuses.

I would argue the best thing to do is keep him on board and plow the money saved from not getting a new manager back into scouting or player development or ... well anything baseball related.
   7. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 30, 2019 at 10:21 AM (#5875542)
The Twins always seemed to beat the Pythag win percent. I am not sure how much of that is luck, but he did it regularly. We wont talk about his playoff record.
   8. Bug Selig Posted: August 30, 2019 at 12:34 PM (#5875627)
I think the answer to #1 is an emphatic Yes, especially in the Tigers' case. When they had a mature roster, coming off 3 years of at least making the LCS - they tried to catch the next wave by hiring Brad Ausmus. Now, I get that Brad Ausmus went to Princeton and probably knows a lot about something, but it was spectacularly unclear what that might be while he spent 4 years refusing to give a substantial answer to any "why" question after provoking a litany of "why" questions. Then, the Tigers belatedly give in to the rebuild and hire Ben Franklin's grandpa. No wonder Mr. I died.
   9. Mr Dashwood Posted: August 31, 2019 at 03:41 PM (#5875955)
As soon as the Tigers named Gardenhire manager, I broke a relationship with the club that technically began in about 1966, but for practical purposes was resumed during the 2005/6 off-season when they hired Jim Leyland.

Gardenhire is exactly the wrong manager for the situation. Years of listening to Aaron Gleeman taught me that as soon as a poor team's fate seems inevitable, Gardenhire switches off and starts thinking about golf or his Thanksgiving invitation list or his Christmas tree or whatever. Gardenhire is a manager you might want to hire at the start of an upswing, but definitely not one for the descent into 100-loss H--l. I might start following the team again in September in the hopes of seeing them suffer a 121-loss season.

I am not really interested in arguing about it, but I don't think Ausmus was a bad manager. He kept things going for a while.

The Tigers' current predicament is as much a consequence of the luxury tax as an unwillingness to take on the rebuild in mid-2015. But I think they have made things worse than they could have been. Most of the trades of the old stars have not netted much of a return, so it raises they question of 'why not keep the fan favourites?' They have invested too much in pitching prospects to be very hopeful for the future. I would go so far as to say the Marlins are going to be better in the medium term.

The Tigers are now the Detroit Lions of baseball. It must be something in the water.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: August 31, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5875965)
In general, should a team use the down part of their success cycle to also test unproven managers? There's not much to gain by using a known quantity like Gardenhire. I guess you can argue that establishing a culture, etc. is important, and might be better achieved by a veteran manager. On the flipside, it seems to me that when you approach the top of the success cycle then you should be very risk averse with your manager.


I lean toward the second half of your statement, that the down cycle is when you need someone to develop players and culture etc....Whether Gardenhire is/was the right guy I don’t have an opinion on.

I think the time to go for that “hey let’s see what this guy can do” hire is when you are looking at around a .500 expectation. Now if this guy is good, maybe you sneak into a playoff spot or at least contention. If it’s doesn’t work you can recover a bit easier with your youngish core of players that you’ve hopefully developed.

Likewise I don’t think a team with a 95 win projection is where you want to give a newbie a look. The downside of missing those limited contending opportunities is too painful. Don’t hand the keys to a Lamborghini to a kid who just passed his driving test.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: August 31, 2019 at 07:58 PM (#5876021)
Likewise I don’t think a team with a 95 win projection is where you want to give a newbie a look.

Boteman, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

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