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Tuesday, October 02, 2012

GENETTI: I’ve had enough of Matt Holliday

Not even the Sheriff of Tabor Heights was burned this badly!

I’ll keep this plain and simple.

I don’t like Matt Holliday.

Baseball is a game of giving 100 percent effort at every moment of the game between the first pitch and the final out. You don’t have to be perfect, you don’t have to be the most amazing player in the world. If you show that you’re trying, show that you’re battling to play and help your team win, you’re an appreciated ballplayer.

Matt Holliday isn’t one of those players. He’s good when he wants to be and just a Plain Jane in Cardinals lineup the rest of the time. He displays no desire to play baseball. From my vantage point he looks like some guy who’s trying to find the quickest way to have his three-hour, nine-inning work day done as quickly as possible. That’s not a model employee, that’s certainly not a baseball hero; that’s a waste of time and money.
He doesn’t hustle in the outfield anymore. He won’t do whatever it takes to quickly retrieve a ball and get it in to hold the runners. He won’t even dive and turn a simple base hit into an out.

...I don’t need hear anything about numbers either. He puts those numbers up to look good and then just slacks off — thus proving my point that Holliday is good when he wants to be.

...You’re certainly not playing for the fans, you’re just there to do a half-donkey job in the game most of us can only dream of playing.

Bring on Adron Chambers and put him in the outfield. He’s got the speed, shows the effort and works hard.

Repoz Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:03 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cardsfanboy Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4251101)
Let's put the lesser player on the field, because of a perception that he is trying. I'm willing to try 100% of the time, put me on the field, by this writers reasoning, that would be a better option.
   2. Xander Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4251108)
Adron Chambers should be playing over Matt Holliday? I mean, come on.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4251117)
I thought he was going to advocating playing Carpenter at 1B and Craig in LF, but Adron Chambers? Whoa that is rich.
   4. The District Attorney Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4251118)
This is really weird. I expected it to be written by a random blogger, not a guy who apparently writes for an actual newspaper and perhaps could speak to Holliday if he chose. The attitude is immature, not to mention that the grammar is very poor.

The strangest thing is that you could insert any power hitter's name into the rant. There is absolutely zero specific information about Holliday in it (other than that he's from Oklahoma and plays left field). That's what makes it come off as just a crazy ramble.

even though he has the experience, power and know-how to lead the league in home runs and extra base hits he seems to just not care.
What kind of statement is that? And who has ever viewed Holliday as that kind of talent, anyway?

Tom Pagnozzi was the same way. He could've been one of the best catchers in baseball, certainly an impact hitter when he wanted to be, but he only gave effort when he felt like it.
WHAT??

Really weird.
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4251125)
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   6. John Northey Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4251129)
Yeah, that Holliday guy is a bum. Trade him to the Jays for the always hustling Rajai Davis - that'll improve the Cardinals for 2013 and beyond for certain. C'mon, lets do it! :)
   7. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4251141)
Grab your torches and pitchforks, boys! We're going to run this guy off the Internet. Who's with me!
   8. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4251144)
I got news for you Matt, it's highly documented that Mickey Mantle played hard everyday because there was a high possibility that someone in the ballpark (home or road) was there seeing him for the first time.


DiMaggio, Mantle, whatever. It's just a column- nothing to work too hard on.
   9. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4251147)
Quick Phils, re-up Juan Pierre and trade him for Holliday! Win-win!
   10. Greg Schuler Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4251153)
Mr Horse: No sir, I don't like it.
   11. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4251156)
Thats funny because there seems to be no limit to the amount of books and DVD's about Mickey Mantle and how terrible it was that after his injury he seemed to never be the same player and how much better he could have been if he didn't become an alcoholic.
   12. phredbird Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4251188)
two things:

i actually think mantle played hard. that's how he got injured so much. but he didn't do himself any favors by the way he took care of himself off the field.

second, what worries me about this article is if this idiot reflects some of the fan feeling towards holliday. is there a lot of complaining about him in st. louis? to me, he looks very composed and quiet as a player and i wonder if fans see that as just not trying hard enough or something.
   13. bjhanke Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4251233)
I haven't seen much complaining about Holliday here in STL. There were a few complaints when he missed a line drive right at him in a postseason game, but he admitted that he'd lost the ball against the background and that was pretty much the end of that. Other than that, he gets very little press for anything except his hitting stats and the occasional injury worry. I think most fans in STL realize that he's not exactly 22 any more and has to rest and can't do the diving gymnastics that younger players can. But he plays hurt, gets into at least his share of games, anchors the lineup, and seems to get along with all the other players. I don't think there is any significant number of fans here calling for his replacement or retirement. I read his facial expression when on the field as focus and concentration. In the dugout, he animates some, especially when some Cardinal does something good. - Brock Hanke
   14. Squash Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4251265)
Holiday once tagged home plate with his face. You'd think that would earn him a few points.
   15. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4251269)
This seems totally out of the blue on a day when the Cards could clinch a place in the WC game. Weird.
   16. GregD Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4251290)
This is awesome!
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4251293)
When Troy Tulowitzki first came up to the Rockies, he talked about how Holliday's work ethic inspired him to work even harder on his own game. Real hustle, for the most part, is what happens off the field.
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4251311)
Adron Chambers has three career extra-base hits. They're all triples.
   19. Bruce Chen's Huge Panamanian Robot Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4251333)
Adron Chambers doesn't even belong on a big league roster.
   20. UCCF Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4251338)
If Holliday played for the Cubs, I'd assume that this column was a plant by the team to make it easier to trade him for a couple of nothing middle infielders during the offseason.
   21. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4251368)
Adron Chambers doesn't even belong on a big league roster.

Poor guy. In Game 7 of last year's World Series they put in a defensive substitute for everybody except LF, where they left in Allen Craig instead of bringing in Chambers and Craig caught the final out.
   22. Booey Posted: October 02, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4251486)
Screw Matt Holliday.

I went to a Padres/Cardinals game at Petco in May 2011 with my GF, and since our seats were just over the left field fence, we arrived early to watch Pujols hit in BP. He was peppering the seats with homers, so my GF and I (and a bunch of other people) were trying to catch some mementos (without gloves). Holliday was on the DL at the time, but he was shagging flies in LF right in front of us. Anyway, the GF and I were both hit HARD (stupidly) trying to catch Pujols homers without a glove. Hers hit her in the upper thigh and left a nasty bruise, but at least it fell straight to the ground after and she was able to pick it up and keep it as a souvineer. Mine hit me in the chest and bounced way back over the LF fence. I leaned over the fence and was calling to Holliday to toss it to me, but he threw it to the lady on the other side of me instead. So while the GF and I both got nasty bruises, only she got a Pujols ball to show for it. All because of Matt Holliday.

So yeah, he can go to hell.
   23. Perry Posted: October 02, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4251499)
This is nuts. Tom quoted Troy Tulowitzki about his work ethic, but even without that you can tell he's a grinder just from looking at his career arc. Son of a college coach. 7th-round draft pick. Didn't hit for much power or average in the minors. Spent 3 years in A-ball, 2 in AA. Wasn't considered a great prospect at any level. Terrible outfielder when he came up who's made himself playable out there. If ever you can tell a guy has made it through sheer hard work and perseverance, it's Holliday.

Nevertheless, there's some chatter out there on the dumber Cardinal sites (like the P-D) that he's not clutch, only drives in runs when it doesn't matter, blah blah blah. Horse-hockey.

   24. musial6 Posted: October 02, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4251510)
Poor guy. In Game 7 of last year's World Series they put in a defensive substitute for everybody except LF, where they left in Allen Craig instead of bringing in Chambers and Craig caught the final out.


The only reason Chambers was on the roster was because Holliday couldn't stop sharting all over himself in Game 6. Holliday dropped this, which put the go-ahead run in scoring position with nobody out. Holliday later got picked off 3rd when he represented the go-ahead run after Ogando had just walked in the tying run (Ogando would throw a wild pitch, and then walk Nick Punto - so Holliday almost surely cost them the lead).

Allen Craig deserved to catch the final out as much as anyone. There's a case to be made he was just as if not more valuable than Freese in the WS.

If it wasn't for Allen Craig and David Freese, Matt Holliday's game 6 blunders (on top of the 2009 gaffe in LA) would have defined his career.

all of that being said, Holliday has been much better in the field and on the bases this year.
   25. Willie Mayspedes Posted: October 02, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4251571)
Video of his best effort. I would probably be a little wary after that one too.
   26. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: October 02, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4251576)
I wonder what the league's second basemen and shortstops would answer, if polled on Holliday's "hustle"? Because he goes in as hard as anyone I've ever seen to try to break up double plays.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: October 02, 2012 at 06:39 PM (#4251621)
Nobody but nobody hustles like Tony Campana ... but alas, Holliday would be blocked by the great Soriano so no deal St. Louis!!

I have no idea if the man "hustles" or not. I do know he has 1046 games played 2006-12 which is the 18th most in baseball over that time span.

It's kind of a funny list, with plenty of guys with a "doesn't care", "doesn't hustle", "doesn't take it serious", "out of shape" sort of rep:

Fielder, Cabrera, Uggla, Dunn, Swisher, Carlos Lee, Rios and Teixeira are all in the top 20.

So are noted grinders like Ichiro, Francoeur (ha!) and Jeter. And, yes, Juan Pierre is 21st. Betancourt had 959 games over the last 7 years -- amazing.

So here's a lesson for you kids -- if you suck at baseball, make sure you play the game the right way.
   28. andrewberg Posted: October 02, 2012 at 06:53 PM (#4251641)
I like that the expectation is not that he works hard, but that he APPEARS to be working hard. Sweat more, and all is forgiven.
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: October 02, 2012 at 07:00 PM (#4251655)
The argument that Holliday doesn't hustle, doesn't pass the smell test. In a city that had players like Albert Pujols jogging on 70% of the plays(and rightfully so, he knows when to hustle) it seems silly to bad mouth a guy with a reputation (as post 26 points out) for being a take out type of guy. Holiday hustles exactly as much as you want a guy with his offensive skill set to hustle.
   30. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: October 02, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4251691)
If it wasn't for Allen Craig and David Freese, Matt Holliday's game 6 blunders (on top of the 2009 gaffe in LA) would have defined his career.


That, and his .435/.500/.652 (1.152 OPS) line in the NLCS, without which they probably would have been watching the brewers play in the World Series.
   31. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 02, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4251704)
After passing the first time and putting their resources into John Lackey, I am sure the Red Sox would be more then happy to have such a lazy LF patrolling Fenway for half their games next year.
   32. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 02, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4251755)
That, and his .435/.500/.652 (1.152 OPS) line in the NLCS, without which they probably would have been watching the brewers play in the World Series.

And the year he won the batting title and also led the NL in hits, doubles, RBI, and total bases, then drove in the tying run and scored the winning run in the bottom of the 13th of the one-game playoff for the NL Wild Card spot. Only drives in runs when it doesn't matter, indeed.
   33. Portia Stanke Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:24 AM (#4252011)

I wonder what the league's second basemen and shortstops would answer, if polled on Holliday's "hustle"? Because he goes in as hard as anyone I've ever seen to try to break up double plays.


Holiday may be stoic, he may be a Bible thumper, but he's about as lazy and lacking in hustle as Rolen or Jeter. Half of his swings are downright hideous because he's trying to get an extra step out of the batter's box, and no one would mistake him for Manny on the bases or in the outfield. He's also probably the finest physical specimen in the game today (top five all-time).
   34. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 03, 2012 at 04:10 AM (#4252089)
Holiday may be stoic, he may be a Bible thumper, but he's about as lazy and lacking in hustle as Rolen or Jeter.

This seems to imply that Bible thumpers are typically lazy and lacking in hustle....which would be a non-sequitur.

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