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Friday, November 30, 2012

Genetti: Solo Biggio election would make a statement

Kuryakin Bagwell: The Dicked Over Affair

The best thing for the baseball writers to do is elect Craig Biggio unanimously and show those who took steroids — and send a message to those considering using them — that going against the game’s rules, not playing naturally can, and will, hurt your career. It’s clear Bonds had his issues with steroids and Sosa came forward confessing he used them during the peak of his career.

Biggio is just the best choice of the top four popular names on the list anyway because no one played with more effort, more heart and more dedication than him. Clemens was a great competitor, so was Lee Smith — who had a great career as a closer and is also highly favored on the ballot — but Biggio did everything but pitch. Biggio was the kind of guy who made pitchers take deep breaths before every pitch because they really had to concentrate to face him. He did everything to beat you offensively. He made hitters and runners groan when he snagged the ball defensively because he very rarely messed up. And when he did he made up for it on the next play or at-bat.

...A franchise can only have so many faces as each baseball season comes along and Biggio is certainly one of Houston’s many — and in most eyes he is the only.

There are a number of players waiting for that opportunity to get “the call” with the voice on the other end telling them they’ve been elected to the National Baseball Hall Of Fame and Biggio should be the one who gets it this year. A lot of folks will say that if he doesn’t get in now, he’ll get in eventually. Well okay, I get their logic, but if he’s going to get in eventually, let’s just put him in now and not someone who needs to work his way back in to the hearts of baseball fans after a steroid controversy.

If it were up to me, I’d like to see both Biggio and Smith go in. That’d be quite the induction class to go along with former Cardinals shortstop Marty Marion, who seems to be highly considered by the Veterans Committee.

Repoz Posted: November 30, 2012 at 04:51 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Suff Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4313665)
I am an Astros fan.

There is no reason to suspect Jeff Bagwell of PEDs and not Craig Biggio. That's ridiculous.

There is no way Craig Biggio is a Hall of Famer and Jeff Bagwell is not, based purely on performance. Also silly.
   2. RJ in TO Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4313672)
When did Sosa confess using steroids? Did I miss something?
   3. Dan Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4313676)
It would make a statement alright. Probably not the one the author thinks though.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4313683)
That statement would be "WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE ARE DOING!"
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4313700)
I am an Astros fan.


And a man of the cloth, I take it.

   6. bachslunch Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4313702)
I'm wondering how the writer knows who is "highly considered" by the Vets Committee. And if he's right about Marty Marion, they've got a lot of explaining to do.
   7. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4313703)
When did Sosa confess using steroids? Did I miss something?

Somewhere in that jibber-jabber in an unknown tongue, according to the cunning linguists in the BBWAA.
   8. Sebastian Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4313705)
unanimously


Funny.
   9. Suff Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4313710)
And a man of the cloth, I take it.


I guess you read the article and saw my same comment there(where my FB name gives away my title)?

Or are you making a joke about the Astros?
   10. dejarouehg Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4313711)
There is no reason to suspect Jeff Bagwell of PEDs and not Craig Biggio. That's ridiculous.
I have a couple of friends in Houston who said the exact same thing. Can continue to blame Mr. Orza et.al. for the presumption of guilt.
   11. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4313713)
I feel like Biggio is getting a free pass for being short (for a jock) and playing second base. The man was jacked. And he had pretty good power.

BURN HIM!
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4313715)
So now we're measuring HOF worthiness in opponents' breathing depth and groans? That just might backfire.
   13. The District Attorney Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4313719)
It makes "more sense" when you realize this is the same genius behind this thing.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: November 30, 2012 at 05:55 PM (#4313731)
I guess you read the article and saw my same comment there(where my FB name gives away my title)?

Or are you making a joke about the Astros?


The former. I try to avoid making jokes about the less fortunate in the presence of a preacher man.

   15. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: November 30, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4313754)
When did Sosa confess using steroids?

When he forgot how to speak English.

Lee Smith? Really? It's hard to know what to make of a place that would have room for Lee Smith but remains closed to Rock Raines and Alan Trammell. What a clown show.
   16. Suff Posted: November 30, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4313764)
The former. I try to avoid making jokes about the less fortunate in the presence of a preacher man.


Rooting for the Astros has been fun for most of my life. Doesn't get much better than 2004 ('05 was good, too). I have moved to a place where I can't watch them every day since they've been stinky, so it has been just as well.

Unfortunately, I am also equally, if not more so, a fan of the Royals.

"Suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character, and character, hope."
   17. smileyy Posted: November 30, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4313765)
When did Sosa confess using steroids?


The bleached skin gave it away. The same thing happened to Michael Jackson when he bulked up. It was only with advances in modern medicine that Sosa was able to keep his nose from collapsing as well.
   18. SM Posted: November 30, 2012 at 06:55 PM (#4313776)
Why would Gary Gaetti write this thing?
   19. OCF Posted: November 30, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4313792)
Of the players newly eligible for the Hall of Fame this year, the following is the complete list of players who I am confident did not take anabolic steroids during their major league careers:
   20. vivaelpujols Posted: November 30, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4313802)
This actually made me vomit.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: November 30, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4313808)
Sosa came forward confessing he used them during the peak of his career.

I say Taiwan, you say Formosa
I say McGwire, you say Sosa

A franchise can only have so many faces as each baseball season comes along and Biggio is certainly one of Houston’s many — and in most eyes he is the only.

Ummm ...
   22. Bob Tufts Posted: November 30, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4313825)
Sigh. Sportswriter steroid logic reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail

- How do you know she is a witch
- She looks like one.
- Bring her forward.
- I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch !
- But you are dressed as one.
- They dressed me like this.
- No, we didn't.
- And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
- Well? - We did do the nose.
- The nose? - And the hat. But she is a witch !
- Did you dress her up like this?
- No, no! Yes. A bit.
- She has got a wart.
- What makes you think she's a witch?
- She turned me into a newt!
- A newt?
- I got better.
- Burn her anyway!
- Quiet! Quiet!
- There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
- Are there? What are they? Tell us. - Do they hurt?
- Tell me, what do you do with witches?
- Burn them!
- And what do you burn, apart from witches?
- More witches! - Wood!
- So why do witches burn?
- 'Cause they're made of wood? - Good!
- How do we tell if she is made of wood?
- Build a bridge out of her.
- But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
- Oh, yeah.
- Does wood sink in water?
- No, it floats.
- Throw her into the pond!
- What also floats in water?
- Bread. Apples. Very small rocks. Cider! Great gravy. Cherries. Mud. Churches. Lead.
- A duck!
- Exactly.
- So, logically--
- If she weighs the same as a duck...
- she's made of wood.
- And therefore?
- A witch!
- A duck! A duck!
- Here's a duck.
- We shaIl use my largest scales.
- Burn the witch !
- Remove the supports!
- A witch!
- It's a fair cop.



   23. Jacob Posted: November 30, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4313831)
I would be suprised if Biggio never took steroids. He's still a HOFer to me.
   24. Bug Selig Posted: November 30, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4313842)
It's a fair COURT.
   25. SOLockwood Posted: November 30, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4313845)
Tell me again how sheep's bladders may be used to determine steroid use.
   26. Lassus Posted: November 30, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4313850)
This is going to be a long ten years.
   27. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 30, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4313858)
This year's results (and the next, and the next...) will either verify that I am 100% correct, or that the other side is a pack of imbeciles!
   28. Walt Davis Posted: November 30, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4313870)
Oh c'mon GB ... we already know the other side is a pack of imbeciles.
   29. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 30, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4313873)
It's a fair COURT.

The Holy Grail quote is definitely fair cop.
   30. puck Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:08 AM (#4313887)
Sigh. Sportswriter steroid logic reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Wait, does that mean they use ridiculous reasoning, but they're right?

Maybe they're more, "He hates these cans!"
   31. Knock on any Iorg Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:18 AM (#4313892)
I'm still trying to figure out who Solo Biggio is and why he should even be on a ballot.
   32. Bhaakon Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:20 AM (#4313912)

I'm still trying to figure out who Solo Biggio is and why he should even be on a ballot.


I hear that he can go first to third in under twelve parsecs.
   33. Cris E Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:28 AM (#4313917)
Total roidhead. He played with Ken Caminiti AND Jeff Bagwell AND Jim Deshaies. Yes, him, the man who led the league, at the very end of his career, in Games Started (25) and HR allowed (30 in 130 IP). Impossible not to see the connection.

EDIT: I had to go back and make sure I was right, but they did play together. And they played with Luis Gonzalez (roder) Tony Eusibio (roider) Curt Schilling (AHole) Gary Cooper (actor) Jerry Jones (NFL spy) and Darryl Kile (Dead guy). That 91 Astros team needs to be investigated...
   34. The District Attorney Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:33 AM (#4313923)
Jim Deshaies got more Hall of Fame votes than Jimmy Wynn.
   35. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: December 01, 2012 at 05:27 AM (#4313951)
And they played with Luis Gonzalez (roder) Tony Eusibio (roider) Curt Schilling (AHole) Gary Cooper (actor) Jerry Jones (NFL spy) and Darryl Kile (Dead guy).

Gary Cooper is also "Dead guy," as is Schilling's ankle. Clearly somebody is knocking off potential witnesses.
   36. Dale Sams Posted: December 01, 2012 at 06:20 AM (#4313955)
"It's a fair cop" is my favorite line in the whole thing.
   37. Sunday silence Posted: December 01, 2012 at 06:30 AM (#4313956)

Jim Deshaies got more Hall of Fame votes than Jimmy Wynn.


that sounds stupid...
   38. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: December 01, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4313968)
that sounds stupid...


So does a world where Jack Morris is 1/5 to make the HoF and Roger Clemens is 40/1.
   39. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 01, 2012 at 09:27 AM (#4313970)
There is no reason to suspect Jeff Bagwell of PEDs and not Craig Biggio. That's ridiculous.


This. Biggio had a big power spike at about the same time as did Bagwell (a year earlier, actually), adding 100 points to his SLG. And after two subpar years in 2002 and 2003 he jumped back up, having his two best HR seasons at ages 38 and 39. They were products of the same clubhouse culture. Why on earth would you suspect Bagwell and not Biggio?

-- MWE
   40. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2012 at 09:46 AM (#4313974)
Jack Morris, Lee Smith and Marty Marion? That's like a petulant child intentionally trying to mess things up.
   41. kcgard2 Posted: December 01, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4313979)
This is one of the dumbest articles I've read yet. I suspect Biggio of steroids even more strongly than Bagwell, and the author's primary thesis is that supporting Biggio alone is a vote for the sanctity of the game and a statement against steroids. It boils down to a steroids = HRs logic, and even if that were the prevailing logic about steroids, the evidence still doesn't paint such a nice picture towards Biggio. It's stupid. And that second paragraph is just cringe-inducing all the way through.

A lot of folks will say that if he doesn’t get in now, he’ll get in eventually. Well okay, I get their logic, but if he’s going to get in eventually, let’s just put him in now and not someone who needs to work his way back in to the hearts of baseball fans after a steroid controversy.

What does this even mean? Who wrote this? It sounds like a high school paper, honestly.
   42. Walt Davis Posted: December 01, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4314074)
Why on earth would you suspect Bagwell and not Biggio?

Do you want the truth or do you want to watch me hit lots of dingers ... and lots of doubles and take bases on balls and field my position with aplomb and run the bases well especially relative to the other oxen playing my position?

   43. bobm Posted: December 01, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4314079)
If a solo Biggio election this year means no Jack Morris via the BBWAA, I'd take it and defer the alleged 'roiders until next year.

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