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Gettysburg Dugout

Happy Birthday to Eddie Plank, Ray Dandridge, and Frank Robinson.

Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM | 65 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Baseball-Birthdays.com Posted: August 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM (#3309534)
I come across this photo from time-to-time, and I always get a kick out of it...

Mickey Mantle, Doris Day, Cary Grant, and Roger Maris... Mantle looks like an utter goof, and both he and Maris are dressed in full uniform save for their (street) shoes.
   2. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: August 31, 2009 at 12:57 PM (#3309567)
Cary looks so ... delicate, doesn't he?
   3. Baseball-Birthdays.com Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:03 PM (#3309570)
heh... he does offer a well-turned ankle...
   4. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:08 PM (#3309573)
Cary looks so ... delicate, doesn't he?

Yeah, yeah, but man, he might be my favorite comic actor of all time.
   5. Cris E Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:13 PM (#3309578)
And Maris leaving his purse hanging behind him was quite brave in those days...
   6. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:37 PM (#3309588)
I dunno: given that he was born with that face, Mantle looks fine in the picture. He looks confident and on his own turf. Maris looks like he's fixing to fondle Grant's ankle, though.

Cary Grant would have been in his late fifties when the photo was taken. We should all look like that when we get to that age.
   7. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:37 PM (#3309589)
Anyone ever read Baseball Winter by Terry Pluto and a few others? It's about one of the off-seasons in the 80s. I was reading an old SABR Review of Books last nite and Fred Ivor-Campbell (RIP) gave it a glowing review despite the fact that Peter Pascarelli was one of the contributors.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:40 PM (#3309591)
Cary was a really big Dodger fan, by the way.
   9. Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:41 PM (#3309593)
Haven't read it, GGC, but I think Terry Pluto is one of the most overlooked, underrated baseball writers of the past few decades. Loose Balls is a great read (though it's about basketball) and The Curse of Rocky Colavito is nearly as good.
   10. bunyon Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:45 PM (#3309596)
Cary Grant would have been in his late fifties when the photo was taken. We should all look like that when we get to that age.

I would have taken looking like that at any point.
   11. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:54 PM (#3309603)
Yeah, yeah, but man, he might be my favorite comic actor of all time.
I certainly didn't mean to diss his acting -- even in lesser stuff, say Operation Petticoat, he was still very good.

In his movies, he looked like a fairly big man. I was just struck by how small he looked next to some big (but not gigantic) men.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 31, 2009 at 01:57 PM (#3309606)
Loose Balls is a great read (though it's about basketball)


Loose Balls is possibly the best sports book I've ever read, and I don't even care very much about basketball.
   13. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:01 PM (#3309611)
I haven't read many basketball books, but I like Halberstam's Breaks Of The Game and thought that it was great. Is Pluto's book about the ABA?
   14. Mike Webber Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:03 PM (#3309615)
Is Pluto's book about the ABA?

Yes, and I am with the herd in saying it is very good.

His NBA history book is not as fun, I think he went too primordial, too much about the early 1950's.
   15. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:08 PM (#3309617)
Cool. While rummaging in my basement over the weekend I foud a stack of TSNs from 1986. I wonder if I could use them to write a book.
   16. Baseball-Birthdays.com Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:08 PM (#3309618)
I dunno: given that he was born with that face, Mantle looks fine in the picture.


just the way one's memory works, I suppose, but I always picture Mantle like this...
   17. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:10 PM (#3309621)
Meanwhile, I just read all of Torre & Verducci's The Yankee Years, which is a pretty badly-edited and incoherently-argued book, but has some really good game stories of famous games from the Yankee dynasty 1996-2007. The book is like a big piñata in some ways, so here's my little swing to start the morning:

"The Red Sox encountered little competition for free agent third baseman Bill Mueller. He did not hit for power and he did not hit for an especially high batting average, the two traditional yardsticks for offensive 'value.' ... What the Red Sox knew then that most others did not, however, was that Mueller was far better than the average player at getting on base. ... His career on-base percentage was .370. Mueller won the American League batting title in his first year with the team and helped the Red Sox to the world championship in his second year." (177)

This is what I mean by "incoherent." The theme is that the Sox management had gotten OBP wisdom, with Mueller as a prime example. The problem is that Mueller, while he would take a walk now and then, was hardly Eddie Yost. Competition for him was weak not because Mueller had unperceived OBP skills, but because he was turning 32 and seemed to be in decline.

If they Sox had been looking for a clever alternative to BA and power, they ended up getting a guy who won a batting title and hit 19 HR – with (in '03) the second-lowest walk rate of his career. This was a tremendously smart move: Mueller was great in '03, good in '04, and cheap in the bargain. But as an example, it doesn't support Verducci's thesis at all.
   18. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:19 PM (#3309631)
Cool. While rummaging in my basement over the weekend I foud a stack of TSNs from 1986. I wonder if I could use them to write a book.


If you want a publisher you'll have to make half of it about your relationship with your dad.
   19. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:24 PM (#3309643)
Competition for him was weak not because Mueller had unperceived OBP skills, but because he was turning 32 and seemed to be in decline.


Out of baseball at 35, which isn't particularly old these days. IIRC, he had some knee issues.
   20. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3309663)
I used to buy review copies of civil war books from a prof at Gettysburg College who lived on a farm on Eddie Plank Road. He was a Hungarian refugee and he was amazed that I knew who Eddie Plank was. He had no idea that Plank would have been known to anyone outside of Gettysburg.
   21. The Essex Snead Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:43 PM (#3309664)
Speaking of Verducci -- is there any way to use B-Ref to find out which pitchers this year were eligible for Verducci Effect backlash?
   22. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:49 PM (#3309668)
If you want a publisher you'll have to make half of it about your relationship with your dad.


I read Fever Pitch circa 2002 or 2003 and thought that it would make a good template for a book about my Red Sox fandom. That idea got ruined.
   23. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 02:53 PM (#3309671)
Anyone ever read Baseball Winter by Terry Pluto and a few others? It's about one of the off-seasons in the 80s.

Sounds interesting. I like books about trades that never happened, or how teams are built. Kinda wish more writers went back and told us about behind the scenes stuff from many years ago.

Pluto is a pretty good writer isn't he? I haven't been exposed to a lot of his stuff, but what I have read, I've liked.

I wonder if I could use them to write a book.

Just curious, how many Primates have written books, either published, or sitting in their closet? I'm working on one about the Royals, but it will likely take me a decade to write (maybe they'll be a .500 team by then!) Just curious on what you guys have written about, what the process was like, and how/if you published.
   24. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:01 PM (#3309676)
I've written some baseball bios (short ones.) That's the only stuff I ever got published. Someone else was putting the books together. (They're parts of collections.) When it comes to fiction, I have trouble with the plots. With non-fiction, they are already written.

I did a couple of interviews, but mainly researched the bios by looking at newspaper and magazine articles. I think those are a more reliable source of what really happened.
   25. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:07 PM (#3309682)
I read Fever Pitch circa 2002 or 2003 and thought that it would make a good template for a book about my Red Sox fandom. That idea got ruined.
Fever Pitch would make a tremendous template for pretty much any fandom, relationship with ones parents, etc. In fact, its such an obvious idea, I can't believe Hornby came up with it first, although perhaps he did.

That's not to take anything away from it, it's a briliant book.
   26. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:09 PM (#3309685)
I have published three books, all from a university press, only one on baseball (well, on baseball fiction, which I know more about than real baseball :) University presses are always looking for authoritative writing that will also actually sell. If you're writing about baseball and there's a local connection to a state or city with a university press, that's a natural place to take your work.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3309690)
Just curious, how many Primates have written books, either published, or sitting in their closet? I'm working on one about the Royals, but it will likely take me a decade to write (maybe they'll be a .500 team by then!) Just curious on what you guys have written about, what the process was like, and how/if you published.


One book written, still unpublished. But it's young adult fiction, and has nothing to do with baseball and little to do with sports. My problem, both in trying to find a publisher for it and in trying to get work when I was a freelance writer, is that I'm terrible at pitching myself. I can't sell worth a damn.

As for published work, I've had one essay and one short published in collections, and did some contract work for a former colleague's stat-based book on Dale Earnhardt. Morbidly speaking, we lucked out when he died right before it was set to go to press, and we were able to update the book with the accident and get it published ahead of all but the quickiest of genuine quickie books.
   28. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:20 PM (#3309693)
If you're writing about baseball and there's a local connection to a state or city with a university press, that's a natural place to take your work.


I was reading some accounts of Walter Johnson playing an exhibition game in Hartford. It might be worth an article for some local publication (assuming there are any by the time I finish writing the article), but there isn't enough there for a book.
   29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:28 PM (#3309699)
I've contributed to a couple of books, and I have an unpublished novel sitting on my computer. Working on a nonfiction, non-baseball proposal right now. I tried at one point to get an agent interested in a book about Joe Bauman, but it didn't take. Some day...
   30. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:33 PM (#3309705)
The home run hitter, Tom? My problem is trying to stretch any of these bios into something book length. I think that Southworth wouild be a worthy topic, but I'm not sure how to talk about him for 70,000 words without adding some fluff.
   31. WillYoung Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:45 PM (#3309717)

Just curious, how many Primates have written books, either published, or sitting in their closet? I'm working on one about the Royals, but it will likely take me a decade to write (maybe they'll be a .500 team by then!) Just curious on what you guys have written about, what the process was like, and how/if you published.


I've got a whole notebook worth of material on the 1969 Twins that would make a great book (and one I would like to write). However, I am skeptical of me ever making any use of it. Thankfully, the Billy Martin entry in Chris Jaffe's book is heavily influenced by my research.

Basically, the year was a microcosm of Martin's entire career. He was hired. He immediately brought instant success. His strategy bordered on the maniacal. He fought with his players (literally a fistfight with Dave Boswell). And, of course, despite all his success, he got fired.

Other topics within the season to cover would be Killebrew's MVP season, Rod Carew's steals of home, and the total overhaul of the Twins style (went from station-to-station, crappy fundamentals to a really dynamic team always putting pressure on their opponents).
   32. puck Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:48 PM (#3309726)
Someone managed to get a book published about baskeball "legend" Bevo Francis. Which was great because I immediately bought it and gave it to my father, who said Francis was one of his favorite players as a kid.

So, if Francis can get a book, you'd think Bauman could. I guess 72 HR doesn't seem unattainable anymore, but if you wanted to shamelessly play up the "simpler time and no steroids" angle in the marketing, I could see it...
   33. jwb Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:49 PM (#3309727)
   34. jwb Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:50 PM (#3309730)
IIRC, [Bill Mueller] had some knee issues.
He tore his knee up chasing a foul ball on Mother's Day, 2001.
   35. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 31, 2009 at 03:59 PM (#3309738)
I've contributed to a couple of books, and I have an unpublished novel sitting on my computer. Working on a nonfiction, non-baseball proposal right now. I tried at one point to get an agent interested in a book about Joe Bauman, but it didn't take. Some day...\

Have you tried contacting McFarland? You can see by the link that they've published plenty of books on plenty of baseball subjects with even less obvious commercial appeal than Joe Bauman.
   36. toratoratora Posted: August 31, 2009 at 04:11 PM (#3309752)
330 pages into a first draft of a novel.

If I ever did anything on baseball, I suspect it would be about someone in the dead ball era, Maybe King Kelly or Mike Donlin.
   37. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 31, 2009 at 04:22 PM (#3309772)
The things that interest me about the Joe Bauman story:

* The mere fact that he set the record for most homers in a season, a record that lasted a really long time.

* He was an older guy, 33 at the time (IIRC), who ran a Texaco station when he wasn't playing baseball. Great character for a book, from what I can tell.

* The minor leagues in New Mexico in 1954 had to be just insane, as big as that state is. Just telling stories of life on the road, of endless bus rides and cheap motels, would be fascinating.

* It's really the tail end of the minor leagues as they once were, with TV sweeping across the nation and killing them off one by one. I don't know if TV had come to Roswell by 1954, but the Longhorn League lasted just one more year.

* Plus a UFO had crashed near Roswell just a few years earlier.
   38. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 31, 2009 at 04:26 PM (#3309777)
I would write a book TEARING DOWN THE MYTH of Rogers Hornsby by explaining in an easy-to-read, comprehensive, sarcastic and self-important fashion how second base was really an offensive position and first base was a defensive position back then. I would devote the last two chapters to explaining how Fred Luderus ought to be in the Hall of Fame.
   39. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: August 31, 2009 at 04:53 PM (#3309792)
Why do a book on just Bauman or Southworth (both of whom I think are pretty interesting) or whomever, if you don't feel the subject supports that long of a treatment? I'm more interested (generally) when a variety of subjects are covered - particular if the author(s) can then construct a resultant theme (which can seem less forced then when you impose it on one person's story).
   40. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 31, 2009 at 05:30 PM (#3309849)
I absolutely feel the Bauman story, intertwined with the story of the minor leagues in a far corner of America as those minors were dying out, is well worth a full book treatment.
   41. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3309856)
DK, I considered weaving Southworth's story into a book about one of his teams. I thought about his last team; the 1951 Red Sox. Then someone asked me "Who the deuce would read about that team?"
   42. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: August 31, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3309858)
I don't necessarily disagree (from the perspective who assuredly knows far less about the man - heck, I'm reading about Bill Werber right now and, meaning no disrespect, Bauman is likely more interesting), but that doesn't change my point, as it were.
   43. Mike Webber Posted: August 31, 2009 at 06:37 PM (#3309923)
I wrote half this book but Stallard flaked on his half, but I did get paid. I am sure you know someone who wrote a book, got it published and got no money out of it. Mine didn't get published, but I did get paid.
   44. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: August 31, 2009 at 06:48 PM (#3309938)
I earned $8.11 on my first book, thanks to someone who paid a fee to xerox some chapters for a class. The most I ever earned on a book was $250 when a Chinese publisher paid for translation rights. I've earned much more for columns and magazine articles than for books, in some cases more for a single article than for all my books put together. And to amplify #43, the most I was ever paid for writing was for a magazine article that didn't get published.
   45. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: August 31, 2009 at 06:58 PM (#3309943)
Unrelated to the above... Rob Neyer wrote:
But let's save a few column inches for Darnell McDonald, who in his 12th professional season hit his first home run as a major leaguer. Darnell was a first-round draft pick (in 1997). Oddly, his brother Donzell was considered a hotter prospect despite being drafted in the 22nd round (in 1995).
Isn't this categorically false? Donzell wasn't held in anything close to the regard Darnell was (if my memory serves) - he was considered an org guy, while I think Darnell may have topped the O's BA top prospect list at one point.
***
Oh, I like the new handle, GGC.
   46. Repoz Posted: August 31, 2009 at 07:02 PM (#3309946)
I've been working on my Manson Family/O.J./Iceman Kuklinski semi-reality Det. Cheeso Dunlap potboiler for 30-years!
   47. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 07:19 PM (#3309964)
Ooh, true crime. I once started work on a non-fiction police procedural, but it got too depressing.
   48. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 08:52 PM (#3310128)
I wrote half this book but Stallard flaked on his half, but I did get paid. I am sure you know someone who wrote a book, got it published and got no money out of it. Mine didn't get published, but I did get paid.

So was the book never finished? What kind of an encyclopedia was it? Just wondering, because I was writing a kind of encyclopedia on the Royals - perhaps you'd like to combine work and complete it?
   49. jingoist Posted: August 31, 2009 at 09:36 PM (#3310167)
I am really impressed with how many posters are writing, thinking of writing or have already written books and articles.
This was always a very literate crowd; never knew you were all authors-to-be.

I appreciate good literature but know my own limitations as it relates to being capable of spinning a good yarn that would be entertaining enough to keep a reader enthralled - ok, if not enthralled then at least semi-interested in turning to the nest page.

How about another version of "Glory of their times" with text from either the actual player or relatives/friends/acquaintenences to cover the Bauman and Southworth articles?
   50. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: August 31, 2009 at 09:49 PM (#3310179)
For some time, I had in mind that I'd write a book comprised of brief scouting reports on most of the players in pro ball (like Sickels' book, but with a broader scope and more of an emphasis on journeymen) - but, among other concerns, the internet largely took care of what I wanted to accomplish.
EDIT: I'm also aware that I have no attention span - that played a role too.
   51. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: August 31, 2009 at 09:53 PM (#3310186)
I tried at one point to get an agent interested in a book about Joe Bauman, but it didn't take. Some day...


I'd buy a copy.

As for publishing, I helped compile several guides that purportedly helped college students find summer jobs in unusual places like the Alaskan fisheries and Canadian ski resorts, and I've been a fiction reviewer for a university journal for about ten years. And of course, I have a novel with an almost entirely intangible existence.
   52. FrankM Posted: August 31, 2009 at 10:19 PM (#3310212)
* Plus a UFO had crashed near Roswell just a few years earlier.

There's your angle. Bauman was actually an alien.
   53. phredbird Posted: August 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM (#3310224)
"In his movies, he looked like a fairly big man. I was just struck by how small he looked next to some big (but not gigantic) men."

coupla things. first, mantle was a seriously brawny guy. i saw a pic of him on a training table with his shirt off, he was built. second, grant is all in black while the other guys are dressed in white, so he shrinks a little in comparison. if you compare height sitting, grant looks okay, and if you look at the hands, grant's don't look especially small. also, i do believe grant spent time as a circus or carnival performer in his younger years. he was quite athletic. to my eyes he doesn't look tiny, just slimmer maybe.
   54. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: August 31, 2009 at 11:51 PM (#3310292)
phred, I hadn't noticed the hands -- he definitely has man hands. In fact, his hands look huge compared to the rest of him, like an anorexic's head does.
   55. Der_K is feeling better now. Posted: September 01, 2009 at 12:06 AM (#3310303)
There's your angle. Bauman was actually an alien.
Wasn't that a Quantum Leap episode?
   56. puck Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:17 AM (#3310450)
No, uh, pre-playoff roster makin' trade deadline thread?

Supposedly the Dodgers got Thome and Garland, Rockies Jose Contreras.
   57. Tripon Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:18 AM (#3310452)
I don't get the Rockies trading for Conteras.
   58. JJ1986 Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:25 AM (#3310454)
Thome? Did they move to the AL too?
   59. puck Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:27 AM (#3310455)
Tripon: maybe they thought he was Venezuelan and would add to their collection?
   60. ColonelTom Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:30 AM (#3310458)
Are the Dodgers planning to put a glove on Thome? He basically hasn't played in the field since 2005 (3 games at 1B in 2006, 1 in 2007, none in 2008 or 2009). Then again, James Loney appears to have turned into Doug Mientkiewicz with the bat this year - decent OBP but no pop at all.

As for Contreras, it must be a "keeping up with the Joneses" move, with Garland going to LA and Penny to SF. Hopefully Colorado didn't give up anything and won't be paying much of Contreras' salary, because his numbers after the All-Star break (1-6, 6.97) are horrifying. At least Garland is trending the right way (4.53 ERA, 1.5 WHIP before the break; 3.86 ERA, 1.303 WHIP after).
   61. Tripon Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:34 AM (#3310461)
No idea, the Dodgers traded 25 year old Justin Fuller who currently plays at High-A.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/Justin-Fuller-1.shtml
This looks like a total salary dump. Guess the Rios pick up has a consequence after all.
   62. puck Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:43 AM (#3310469)
Are the Dodgers planning to put a glove on Thome?


Rockies will bring up Giambi. Glove-challenged, aging lefty sluggers on NL teams are the new market inefficiency.
   63. puck Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:44 AM (#3310471)
The Rockies traded AAA RHP Brandon Hynick. Not a gb pitcher, low K rates. Torched for 27 HR at Tulsa in 2008. Most notable for his 7-inning perfect game this season.
   64. Tripon Posted: September 01, 2009 at 04:48 AM (#3310476)
Rosenthal claims the Dodgers traded Thome as exclusively as a PH.

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