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Giancarlo Stanton’s 43rd homer sets club mark | MLB.com

Does this season keep him from getting traded or help him get traded?

“He’s that good,” second baseman Dee Gordon said. “He’s one of the best players in the game. And he’s healthy. He’s killing people. He was averaging like 35 homers and he didn’t even play 150 games those years. For him to be able to play this whole year is pretty cool.”

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   1. Bote Man Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:10 AM (#5513428)
We must de-rate to account for the Juiced Ball Era.

Mike Trout is #38 on the qualified list of 2017 home run leaders with 23 HR. He ranks below noted sluggers such as Scott Schebler, Brian Dozier, Travis Shaw, Michael Conforto, and Logan Morrison.
   2. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:45 AM (#5513439)
I have watched more than my NL fan, share of Giancarlo's career since his debut, how have I never before noticed that his father is an old white guy with thinning white hair?
   3. Davoice of Dapeople Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:00 AM (#5513448)
So the craziest thing to me about Stanton's season: he has a career low strikeout rate. By far. He struck out in 30% of his PAs last year, but he's down to just 23.8% this year--that mark is just a touch over league average.

Anyone know what he's doing differently? Cuz that's a damn neat trick.
   4. Chris Fluit Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:06 AM (#5513452)
The real question is "can Mike Moustakes pass Steve Balboni for the most-embarrassing single-season home run record for a franchise?"
   5. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:14 AM (#5513458)
Stanton did talk about a number of changes he's made at the plate during this season. Closed a foot, moved his hands, new video preparation routine.
   6. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:16 AM (#5513459)
The real question is "can Mike Moustakes pass Steve Balboni for the most-embarrassing single-season home run record for a franchise?"


Yeah, crazy that the Royals have still never had a 40 HR season.

Good to see Stanton set the Marlins mark. He feels like the most deserving holder of that record. Who was the last player to break a team record for homers? Chris Davis in 2013, maybe? It seemed to happen basically every year during the peak of sillyball, but not so much lately.
   7. Rally Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:27 AM (#5513465)
He's got a (slight) shot at 60. In 1994 Matt Williams hit his 43rd homer on August 10th, the last game before the strike. Giants had played 115 games, Marlins currently have played 117.

At the time there was some speculation on whether the strike cost Williams a chance to break Maris's record, but that is largely forgotten thanks to the trio who a few years later smashed the homerun records.
   8. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:32 AM (#5513473)
Prince hit 50 to set the Brewers record in 2007, which broke a 1979 season total of 45 HRs by Gorman Thomas (later tied by R. Sexson twice in '01/'03)
   9. DavidFoss Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:47 AM (#5513484)
Here is what I found (apologies if I missed some ties):

name_common         teamID  yearID      HR 
------------------  ------  ------  -------
Giancarlo Stanton   MIA       2017      43 
Chris Davis         BAL       2013      53 
Jose Bautista       TOR       2010      54 
Carlos Pena         TBA       2007      46 
Prince Fielder      MIL       2007      50 
Alfonso Soriano     WAS       2006      46 
David Ortiz         BOS       2006      54 
Ryan Howard         PHI       2006      58 
Carlos Beltran      NYN       2006      41 
Andruw Jones        ATL       2005      51 
Jim Thome           CLE       2002      52 
Alex Rodriguez      TEX       2002      57 
Shawn Green         LAN       2001      49 
Barry Bonds         SFN       2001      73 
Luis Gonzalez       ARI       2001      57 
Todd Helton         COL       2001      49 
Jeff Bagwell        HOU       2000      47 
Troy Glaus          ANA       2000      47 
Mark McGwire        SLN       1998      70 
Greg Vaughn         SDN       1998      50 
Sammy Sosa          CHN       1998      66 
Albert Belle        CHA       1998      49 
Ken Griffey         SEA       1998      56 
Steve Balboni       KCA       1985      36 
George Foster       CIN       1977      52 
Harmon Killebrew    MIN       1969      49 
Roger Maris         NYA       1961      61 
Ralph Kiner         PIT       1949      54 
Hank Greenberg      DET       1938      58 
Jimmie Foxx         PHA       1932      58 


The median is 2001. Seven from before 1998. Three from before expansion.
   10. Adam Starblind Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5513500)
noted sluggers such as Scott Schebler, Brian Dozier, Travis Shaw, Michael Conforto


Why you shitting on Conforto? He's a first round draft pick who's always had power (bad 2016 aside).
   11. DCA Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:58 AM (#5513508)
Mike Trout is #38 on the qualified list of 2017 home run leaders with 23 HR. He ranks below noted sluggers such as Scott Schebler, Brian Dozier, Travis Shaw, Michael Conforto, and Logan Morrison.

That's more than a little misleading. Trout missed a month and a half with injury. He's played in only 60% of his team's games.

Dozier also significantly outhomered Trout last year, setting the league record for HR by a 2B, so he's probably not the best choice for a snark list.
   12. eddieot Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5513511)
10 HRs in 13 games this month. He could be looking at 60.
   13. DCA Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5513512)
Looking online to confirm that Dozier set only the AL (not ML) record, I found the following fun factoid:

Alfonso Soriano holds both the AL and NL records for most HR leading off a game in a season.
   14. eddieot Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5513514)
Coke to Rally in #7.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5513515)
Todd Helton COL 2001 49


Helton tied Larry Walker, who also hit 49 in 1997.
   16. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5513518)
To answer my own question, yes, it looks like Chris Davis breaking the Orioles record in 2013 was the last to do it. Before that it was Jose Bautista for the Blue Jays in 2010.

Single season team HR records:

73 - Giants; Barry Bonds 2001
70 - Cardinals; Mark McGwire 1998
66 - Cubs; Sammy Sosa 1998
61 - Yankees; Roger Maris 1961
58 - A's; Jimmie Foxx 1932 (Oakland record is 52 by McGwire in 1996)
58 - Tigers; Hank Greenberg 1938
58 - Phillies; Ryan Howard 2006
57 - Diamondbacks; Luis Gonzalez 2001
57 - Rangers; Alex Rodriguez 2002
56 - Mariners; Ken Griffey Jr 1997, 1998
54 - Blue Jays; Jose Bautista 2010
54 - Pirates; Ralph Kiner 1949
54 - Red Sox; David Ortiz 2006
53 - Orioles; Chris Davis 2013
52 - Reds; George Foster 1977
52 - Indians; Jim Thome 2002
51 - Braves; Andruw Jones 2005
50 - Padres; Greg Vaughn 1998
50 - Brewers; Prince Fielder 2007
49 - White Sox; Albert Belle 1998
49 - Rockies; Larry Walker 1997, Todd Helton 2000
49 - Twins; Harmon Killebrew 1964, 1969
49 - Dodgers; Shawn Green 2001
47 - Astros; Jeff Bagwell 2000
47 - Angels; Troy Glaus 2000
46 - Rays; Carlos Pena 2007
46 - Nationals; Alfonso Soriano 2006
43+ - Marlins; Giancarlo Stanton 2017
41 - Mets; Todd Hundley 1996, Carlos Beltran 2006
36 - Royals; Steve Balboni 1985

Granted, 4 of these teams have only existed since sillyball, and a few were set post sillyball, but we're now down to just 7 team records that were set prior to 1996 (Yankees, A's, Tigers, Pirates, Reds, Twins, Royals). 20 of 30 are from 1996-2007.

Edit: dammit, coke to David
   17. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5513519)

Carlos Beltran NYN 2006 41

I don't know whether you were intending to include ties or not, but Beltran only tied the team record set by Todd Hundley in 1996.
   18. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:08 AM (#5513522)
Here is what I found (apologies if I missed some ties):

In addition to the Rockies that Tom mentioned, you also missed ties for the Mets, Mariners, and Twins.

edit: And another partial coke to #17
   19. DavidFoss Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5513537)
Thanks for finding all the ties. I need to fix my search.
   20. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:37 AM (#5513546)
So which teams have the biggest WTF record holders? Not necessarily the flukiest seasons, but the players you don't really think of as one of that franchises top sluggers?

Maris is a big one, obviously. The next 18 top seasons on the Yankees list are held by Ruth (9), Mantle (2), ARod (2), Gehrig (4), and DiMaggio (1), which sounds about right.

Albert Belle played all of 2 seasons with the White Sox. Thomas has more than half the 40 homer seasons in franchise history, but not the single season record.

On the flipside (guys who dominate their franchise list), unless there's someone I'm missing, Killebrew holds the top 6 spots for the Twins and Griffey holds the top 5 for the Mariners.
   21. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:42 AM (#5513551)
On a franchise that's had Snider, Hodges, Campy, Piazza, and Beltre, Shawn Green holding the Dodgers single season record kinda stands out a bit to me too.
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:44 AM (#5513552)
Not necessarily the flukiest seasons, but the players you don't really think of as one of that franchises top sluggers?


The Mets don't have a lot of "top sluggers," but still, Todd Hundley. Also, Andruw Jones doesn't seem quite right for the Braves, given Aaron, Mathews and Chipper.
   23. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 15, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5513604)
Soriano had just the one season in Washington.
   24. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 15, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5513713)
Soriano, Hundley, Belle, Green, Jones, and Vaughn would have stumped me for sure if this was a quiz on "Franchise single-season home run leaders".

And, to be fair, I wouldn't have guessed Thome for the Indians because I would have assumed Belle was the Indians leader.
   25. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 15, 2017 at 02:12 PM (#5513722)
The Pirates have had only two players - Kiner and Stargell - who have hit 40 or more in a season. They do have one player, though, with seasons of 39, 38, and 37 who never hit 40. And that player is...?

(See if you can get it without checking BB-Ref)

-- MWE
   26. caspian88 Posted: August 15, 2017 at 02:18 PM (#5513730)
Brian Giles?
   27. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2017 at 02:21 PM (#5513734)
er, Barry Bonds?
   28. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5513761)
Barry's high with the Pirates was 34.

Giles, yeah. It got lost in the shuffle of sillyball, but over a 4 year span from 1999-2002 he hit .309/.426/.604 (160 OPS+) and averaged 37 homers, 109 rbi, 108 runs, and 108 walks (and only 72 K's - man, that was a different era).

Of course, with the sheer number of big sluggers at the time combined with the overall suckiness of the Pirates, Giles finished just 19th, 19th, 24th, and 13th in MVP voting during those seasons.
   29. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2017 at 03:17 PM (#5513775)
He was the perennial "most underrated player in baseball," to the point where it became a joke.
   30. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5513786)
HR trivia. One team has a 40 homer player at 7 of 8 positions. And by that I mean the position that was his primary position when he hit 40. If a guy hit 39 as a catcher, and 3 as a 1B, that counts for catcher. One team has 6 of 8, and has seasons of 39 and 37 at the other 2.
   31. stanmvp48 Posted: August 15, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5513798)
Giles was the right fielder against whom Matt Holiday scored the winning run in game 163 in 2007.
   32. Rally Posted: August 15, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5513801)
Good question. I guess Cubs:

1B Derrek Lee
2B Sandberg
SS Banks
3B Bryant
RF Sosa
CF Hack Wilson
LF? Billy Williams? Soriano?

I can't remember if Billy ever hit 40 or just topped out in the high 30s, and I know Soriano hit 40 but can't remember if he did it as a Cub. Could be somebody I'm forgetting. Assuming some LF did the deed, they are very close to having 8/8, as Gabby Hartnett hit 37 one year.

Braves have 2B (Davey Johnson), catcher (Javy Lopez) and CF (Jones). At third they have Chipper and Matthews. Aaron in right obviously. Darrell Evans hit 40 but I think he was another 3B at the time. They have 7 if I can just think of someone at the easy spots (1b/lf) who hit 40 for them.
   33. Rally Posted: August 15, 2017 at 03:58 PM (#5513805)
Cubs are the team with 6 - I was wrong on Bryant, he only hit 39 last year. Billy Williams did hit 40, and so did Dave Kingman as primarily a left fielder.
   34. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 15, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5513810)
HR trivia. One team has a 40 homer player at 7 of 8 positions. And by that I mean the position that was his primary position when he hit 40. If a guy hit 39 as a catcher, and 3 as a 1B, that counts for catcher. One team has 6 of 8, and has seasons of 39 and 37 at the other 2


Braves?
Javy Lopen
McGriff or Galarraga
Davey Johnson
ss - ?
3B - chipper or Matthews
OF - some mix of Aaron, Andruw, Sheffield, Justice
   35. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 15, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5513814)
Coke to Rally/Fact-checking:

C - Javy Lopez 43
1b - Galarraga 44
2B - Davey Johnson 43
SS - nobody close
3B - Chipper 45
OF - Andruw Jones, Hank Aaron, Dave Justice, Jeff Burroughs and Dale Murphy all cleared 40. All CF or RFs that I can tell.
   36. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2017 at 04:19 PM (#5513828)
It is the Braves, and no cheating. In 1973, Aaron hit 40 and was primarilly in LF.

The Cubs are the other team, and have 2 current players who could get them the other 2 spots.

The Pirates on the other hand, have only 1 position, LF. Kiner and Stargell are the only 40 HR guys, and they combined for 6 seasons, all as a LF.
   37. BDC Posted: August 15, 2017 at 05:32 PM (#5513906)
Albert Belle played all of 2 seasons with the White Sox

Before Frank Thomas came along, that was one anemic team leaderboard; nobody had ever hit 40 for the White Sox. Thomas did that in 1993, to beat the high of 37 that Dick Allen had set in the '70s and Carlton Fisk had tied in the '80s.

Allen, in turn, broke the record that Bill Melton had set immediately before, with 33. I remember when Melton did that, because he was the first White Sox batter to hit thirty in a season. The previous record was 29, set in the early '50s by both Gus Zernial and Eddie Robinson.
   38. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 15, 2017 at 07:07 PM (#5513992)
The Reds have 6 positions covered also.

1b. kluszewski multiple times
3b. Perez, 1970
C. Bench in 70 and 72
Lf. Foster 77 and 78, Dunn, several times
Cf. Griffey , Jr 2000
Rf. Wally Post 1955

Edit. The Reds have 15 40+hr seasons. 9 of them were exactly 40. Dunn, thrice. klu, perez, bench, foster, griffey, and post once each
   39. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:05 PM (#5514101)
And, to be fair, I wouldn't have guessed Thome for the Indians because I would have assumed Belle was the Indians leader.


He did hold the Tribe record for 7 years (1995-2002). And after adding the White Sox record in 1998, Albert had a 4 season reign as the single season champ for 2 franchises - two of the original AL franchises, no less.

McGwire owns both the Cardinals and Oakland A's records, if you count that. Top 2 seasons for each team, actually.
   40. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:14 PM (#5514109)
Probably too easy trivia question - Name all the 40 homer seasons that were split between 2 teams. I can think of 4. There might be more.
   41. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:15 PM (#5514111)
He did hold the Tribe record for 7 years (1995-2002). And after adding the White Sox record in 1998, Albert had a 4 season reign as the single season champ for 2 franchises - two of the original AL franchises, no less.


Jimmie Foxx was both the Red Sox and A's leader (still is) from 1938 till 2006.
   42. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:16 PM (#5514112)
Probably too easy trivia question - Name all the 40 homer seasons that were split between 2 teams. I can think of 4. There might be more.


Dunn and McGwire
   43. JJ1986 Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:20 PM (#5514115)
I think Greg Vaughn is one. Beltran in 2004?
   44. Bote Man Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:28 PM (#5514121)
46 - Nationals; Alfonso Soriano 2006

Another tidbit about Alfie is that he joined the 40-40 club with Washington: 40+ home runs, 40+ stolen bases. He was the shiny bauble to distract fans from the otherwise unremarkable team that year.
   45. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:30 PM (#5514123)
Vaughn in 1996 (31-Brewers, 10-Padres)
McGwire in 1997 (34-A's, 24-Cards)
Dunn in 2008 (32-Reds, 8-DBacks)

...are all correct. Beltran in 2004 is not (15-Royals, 23-Astros)
   46. DavidFoss Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:32 PM (#5514126)
Vaughn in 1996 (31-Brewers, 10-Padres)
McGwire in 1997 (34-A's, 24-Cards)
Dunn in 2008 (32-Reds, 8-DBacks)


David Justice 2000 (21-Indians, 20-Yankees

Fielder 1996 just missed at 39.

I don't see any others.
   47. Booey Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:36 PM (#5514131)
#46 - Yep. I was pretty sure there weren't any others. Piazza had 40 for the Dodgers in 1997 and 40 for the Mets in 1999, but "only" 32 in the split season between them (and the Marlins!).
   48. DavidFoss Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:18 PM (#5514154)
#47

There's a bunch over 30. 39 Fielder. 38 Beltran. 37 Goslin, CLee, McGriff, Manny. 36 Finley. 35 Cespedes, MKemp, Kiner. 34 Soriano. 33 Bruce, Teixeira. 32 Piazza. 31 Batista, Bay, BBonds, Burnitz, Carty, JGuillen, CJohnson, McGriff, Rolen, Sauer. 30-Harrelson, Pafko, Teixeira.

Top 3-team guy is Piazza 32, but he didn't HR for the Marlins unfortunately. If you require HR's by all three teams, then it slips to Cliff Floyd with 28. Dave Kingman is the well-known 4-team guy with 26. There's only been two 5-team guys: Frank Huelsman (2 HR total) and Felix Chouinard (1 HR total).
   49. Walt Davis Posted: August 16, 2017 at 12:18 AM (#5514260)
How many of the guys in #16 also hold the franchise career record? Sosa (and Stanton) for sure. I assume Foxx, Killer and Helton. Has Goldschmidt reached the top yet?
   50. Booey Posted: August 16, 2017 at 10:43 AM (#5514378)
How many of the guys in #16 also hold the franchise career record? Sosa (and Stanton) for sure. I assume Foxx, Killer and Helton. Has Goldschmidt reached the top yet?


Griffey and Bagwell seem like obvious ones too.

Edit: Is there a way to look up franchise records on BREF?
   51. Ithaca2323 Posted: August 16, 2017 at 11:42 AM (#5514420)
The Yankees only have five, though they just missed at 2nd (Soriano) and have a shot at C if Sanchez stays healthy
   52. Ithaca2323 Posted: August 16, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5514424)
Edit: Is there a way to look up franchise records on BREF?


Yes
   53. Booey Posted: August 16, 2017 at 11:57 AM (#5514445)
#52 - How do you find that info when you type the team name in the search bar though?
   54. Booey Posted: August 16, 2017 at 12:18 PM (#5514463)
NM, I figured it out. ;-)
   55. Booey Posted: August 16, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5514533)
Career franchise HR records (plus everyone else over 300). Bold if they also hold the single season record. Yankees have the most 300 HR guys with 6. Giants are the only team with three 500 HR guys or four 400 HR guys.

733 - Braves; Hank Aaron (493-Mathews, 468-Chipper, 371-Murph, 368-Andruw)
659 - Yankees; Babe Ruth (536-Mantle, 493-Gehrig, 361-DiMaggio, 358-Berra, 351-ARod)
646 - Giants; Willie Mays (586-Bonds, 511-Ott, 469-McCovey)
559 - Twins; Harmon Killebrew
548 - Phillies; Mike Schmidt (382-Howard)
545 - Cubs; Sammy Sosa (512-Banks, 392-B.Williams, 337-Santo)
521 - Red Sox; Ted Williams (483-Ortiz, 452-Yaz, 382-Rice, 379-Evans)
475 - Cardinals; Stan Musial (445-Pujols)
475 - Pirates; Willie Stargell (301-Kiner)
449 - Astros; Jeff Bagwell (326-Berkman)
448 - White Sox; Frank Thomas (432-Konerko)
431 - Orioles; Cal Ripken Jr (343-Murray, 303-Powell)
417 - Mariners; Ken Griffey Jr (309-Edgar, 307-Buhner)
399 - Tigers; Al Kaline (373-Cash, 321-Cabrera, 306-Greenberg
389 - Dodgers; Duke Snider (361-Hodges)
389 - Reds; Johnny Bench (324-F.Robinson)
372 - Rangers; Juan Gonzalez (321-Palmeiro)
369 - Rockies: Todd Helton
363 - Athletics; Mark McGwire (302-Foxx)
337 - Indians; Jim Thome
336 - Blue Jays; Carlos Delgado
317 - Royals; George Brett
299 - Angels; Tim Salmon
298 - Brewers; Ryan Braun
258 - Rays; Evan Longoria
252 - Mets; Daryl Strawberry
252 - Marlins; Giancarlo Stanton
242 - Nationals; Ryan Zimmerman
224 - Diamondbacks; Luis Gonzalez
163 - Padres; Nate Colbert

So it looks like 8 players hold both the single season and career franchise HR records for their teams - Killebrew, Sosa, Bagwell, Griffey, Helton, Thome, Stanton, and LuGo.

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