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Giancarlo Stanton’s first postseason with the Yankees was a disappointing dud

Giancarlo Stanton stood at the plate with a chance to rewrite the narrative of his first year with the New York Yankees. It was the bottom of the ninth, the Yankees were on the brink of postseason elimination and he represented the tying run.

A homer here? He could forget about all those boos after strikeouts in April and May, because the people in Yankee Stadium sure would. A homer here? He’d be a Yankees legend already. He’d be the guy who saved their season when it looked like the Boston Red Sox were about to send the Yankees packing in the American League Division Series.

Boston closer Craig Kimbrel had looked erratic thus far. Stanton, who hadn’t had much luck against Kimbrel in his career, had a chance to rewrite that too. The Yankees were down 4-1 and Aaron Judge had started the inning with a walk. Didi Gregorius followed with a single. All of a sudden, the Yankees had a swinging chance. And Stanton was certainly a guy who could hit one out of Yankee Stadium. Stanton hit 38 homers in 2018, 20 of them coming at home. This was possible.

Rationally, I know this is intellectually dubious in nature- as someone who thinks the trade that got him to the Yankees was similarly intellectually dubious, on the other hand…..

QLE Posted: October 10, 2018 at 06:11 AM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 06:44 AM (#5763830)
He was ####### unwatchable.

From The Ringer:


Giancarlo Stanton, the most obvious offensive scapegoat, swung at 19 of 32 pitches he saw outside the strike zone—a 59.4 percent chase rate that more than doubled his 28.6 percent regular-season rate—and he helped Kimbrel out by whiffing wildly at a pitch in the ninth that he couldn’t have reached even with Judge’s giant arms grafted onto the end of his own.


That at bat against Kimbrel was inexplicable.

Although I guess an ugly strikeout was better than the double play I was really fearing.
   2. jmurph Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5763889)
I'm delving into sportswriter-ese here but given his prodigious power he's just not scary to watch, at least not this year (granted, I saw precisely 0 Marlins games during his 59 homerun campaign). He struck out in 30% of his plate appearances and hit .266. I always feel like the pitcher is going to get him out when I watch him bat.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5763892)
Big strikeout guys are going to look that way against good pitching from time to time. A guy like Stanton (A-Rod had this issue too) is that he does have holes in his swing so he can be pitched to. If he's slumping, it looks grim. Over the long haul the results are going to be good but when you slump it's noticeable when there are a bunch of Ks mixed in. Mookie had a quiet series too (.188/.316/.250) but it wasn't as ugly and of course when you win it gets overlooked.
   4. Rally Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5763896)
Stanton : Judge = A-Rod : Jeter
   5. jmurph Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5763906)
Peak ARod had a batting title and several big BA years. 27 points over Stanton for his career, and that's with ARod's decline factored in. He was a significantly better hitter (obviously you guys know that, of course, just highlighting the BA advantage).
   6. puck Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5763925)
I'm delving into sportswriter-ese here but given his prodigious power he's just not scary to watch, at least not this year (granted, I saw precisely 0 Marlins games during his 59 homerun campaign).


Stanton was awesome in his games against the Rockies. There seemed like an inordinate number of tape measure shots, in Florida, too.

I think Jose's right, the guys who seem more dangerous to opposing fans in clutch situations are the guys you think of as more consistently producing hard hit balls.

I feel bad for him that he's NY's scapegoat.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5763947)
I feel bad for him that he's NY's scapegoat.


Didn't he turn down a deal to somewhere else so he could play in Lucifer's Pajamas?
   8. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5763954)
Bottom line isn't that Stanton had that terrible a year. Bottom line is that the Yankees signed the wrong NL slugger in the offseason.
   9. TDF, trained monkey Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5763976)
Bottom line isn't that Stanton had that terrible a year.
Because he didn't. 4.0 bWAR/4.2 fWAR is $32M+ of value for $25M.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5763978)
Didn't he turn down a deal to somewhere else so he could play in Lucifer's Pajamas?


Cardinals I think?
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5763979)
Cardinals I think?


Yeah. So if you choose to join an organization so fundamentally wrong, you don't get no sympathy from me.
   12. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5763980)
I feel bad for him that he's NY's scapegoat.


Luckily for him, I think he has the cloak of Boone-ian immunity ...
   13. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5763984)
Didn't he turn down a deal to somewhere else so he could play in Lucifer's Pajamas?



Cardinals I think?


Giants too, if I remember correctly (which I may not be, of course).
   14. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5763991)
Yes, he turned down both the Cards and the Giants. Not sure we ever saw what either of those teams were giving up, but trades were agreed upon.
   15. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5764008)
That won’t endear him to a Yankees fan base that was quick to boo Stanton this season almost immediately. The three- and four-strikeout games brought out the boo birds even in the early months. And, like clockwork, the judgment was swift and predictable after Game 4. He was trending on Twitter for hours after the game. And not from people sending well wishes.

Among the comments:

“Stanton gotta go.”

“I think the Marlins might have won the Giancarlo Stanton trade.”

“Please shoot Stanton into the sun.”

Indeed, Stanton sucks. The Yankees should trade him to Boston and eat some of the salary to make it happen.
   16. Rally Posted: October 10, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5764056)
Indeed, Stanton sucks. The Yankees should trade him to Boston and eat some of the salary to make it happen.


Maybe a straight up challenge trade, RF for RF (well, that is Stanton's typical position even if he DH'd mostly this year). Mookie is more of a New York name anyway.
   17. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 10, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5764062)
C'mon, the Yanks aren't going to deal Stanton after his worst year for Mookie after his best. Now if you want a deal, take the guy on the rise, the guy who stepped up when it counted and did something that HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE...

Giancarlo for Brockstar...who says no?
   18. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: October 10, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5764104)
Sox will throw in Rusney if NY needs OF cover.
   19. . Posted: October 10, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5764118)
Giancarlo Stanton, the most obvious offensive scapegoat, swung at 19 of 32 pitches he saw outside the strike zone—a 59.4 percent chase rate that more than doubled his 28.6 percent regular-season rate—and he helped Kimbrel out by whiffing wildly at a pitch in the ninth that he couldn’t have reached even with Judge’s giant arms grafted onto the end of his own.


Yeah, I mean I guess it could be the difference in pitch quality that explains that massive post/regular season differential -- but that sure looks like the kind of comparative data you'd see if someone was choking. More than twice as likely to chase a pitch out of the strike zone? Um, yeah.
   20. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 10, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5764138)
It was 4 games.
   21. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5764174)
I feel bad for him that he's NY's scapegoat.

Except for Judge & Tanaka, plus some of the bullpen guys, no one had a good series. Stanton could have been a hero with a timely hit, but I don't think he'll be singled out for the blame. He should have some opportunities to redeem himself, too, down the road.
   22. Rally Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5764182)
Three Yankees made outs that final inning, but what sets Stanton apart is how bad he looked doing it. The other Yankees either put good swings on the ball or were able to lay off Kimbrel's pitches. Or in Torres' case, made weak contact that could very easily ended up tying the game if NunE5 threw a tough chance past first.

Stanton took a breaking ball right down the middle for strike one. It was by far the best pitch to hit he would see. He proceeded to chase pitches that he had no chance at all on. If he kept his bat on his shoulder the Yankees would be preparing for game 5 tomorrow.
   23. . Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5764195)
Stanton took a breaking ball right down the middle for strike one. It was by far the best pitch to hit he would see.


Live by the TTO, die by the ....
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5764206)
Three Yankees made outs that final inning, but what sets Stanton apart is how bad he looked doing it. The other Yankees either put good swings on the ball or were able to lay off Kimbrel's pitches.


He laid off the low breaking stuff, but Sanchez swinging at the first pitch (a good three inches inside) after two walks and an HBP was dumb as hell.
   25. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5764212)
He proceeded to chase pitches that he had no chance at all on.


No chance is putting it mildly, the second pitch must have bounced more than 5 feet in front of the plate.
   26. puck Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5764218)
Yes, he turned down both the Cards and the Giants.


I did not know this. Maybe Ralph Macchio can win a guitar dual and get him out of there.
   27. puck Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5764221)
He laid off the low breaking stuff, but Sanchez swinging at the first pitch (a good three inches inside) after two walks and an HBP was dumb as hell.


Whereas Luke Volt's AB seemed really good. The sliders were a lot closer, but he laid off them.
   28. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: October 10, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5764233)
M's fans say screw you and your "problems"...
   29. catomi01 Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5764245)
Sometimes I really dislike being a Yankee Fan...a guy I work with who I consider smart, and generally level headed (both when it comes to baseball, and non-baseball topics) was in my office at 10 AM talking about how they had to trade him, and being willing to eat his contact and/or get nothing at all back if it meant someone else eating it.
   30. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5764253)
Stanton and the Yankees are a perfect match. Ten years left on the contract.
   31. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5764260)
catomi - It's not just Yankee fans. I think most teams have fans like that, I know the Red Sox certainly have their share of people like that.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:31 PM (#5764261)
Live by the TTO, die by the ....
Death. The ultimate true outcome.
   33. BrianBrianson Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5764298)
It was 4 games.


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   34. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5764305)
I suspect I'm showing my lack of hipness but I don't understand #33. In any case it's either insanity or genius and I'm cool with thinking it's a bit of both.
   35. Hank Gillette Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:39 PM (#5764322)
C'mon, the Yanks aren't going to deal Stanton after his worst year for Mookie after his best.


Worst season? By bWAR, he has had four worse seasons.
   36. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5764324)
Bottom line isn't that Stanton had that terrible a year. Bottom line is that the Yankees signed the wrong NL slugger in the offseason.

1. They didn't "sign" him, they traded for him.
2. Which other "NL" slugger was available? You mean JD Martinez who spent all but 2 months of the previous 5 seasons in the AL?

Ohhh, you meant Jay Bruce. Indeed, we all wish the Yanks had signed Jay Bruce rather than trading nothing for Stanton.

Sheesh, we know you East Coast types think everything between DC and California is the "Midwest" but there are AL teams other than the Yanks and Red Sox.
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5764325)
I assume he meant Christian Yelich, who was also not signed.
   38. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5764328)
Stanton and turning down trades ... 1. It was his right to do so; 2. Don't we say players should care about winning? Certainly the call to stay away from the Giants was a wise one; maybe he could have pushed the Cards into a WC ... instead he went to a team poised to win, with young talent in hand promising a bright future. What a jackass!
   39. BrianBrianson Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5764329)
No, the phrase "bears repeating" shows up in Google ngrams going back to 1850.
   40. , Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:47 PM (#5764331)
Stanton took a breaking ball right down the middle for strike one. It was by far the best pitch to hit he would see.

If you're looking to drive the ball, that wasn't a pitch you swing at on pitch 1.

Now, yes, he looked terrible the rest of the AB, but that wasn't a hanger nor was it a super hittable pitch. I thought that was a good take. But, then he was behind and, well, he acted like it.
   41. SoSH U at work Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:48 PM (#5764333)
Stanton and turning down trades ... 1. It was his right to do so; 2. Don't we say players should care about winning? Certainly the call to stay away from the Giants was a wise one; maybe he could have pushed the Cards into a WC ... instead he went to a team poised to win, with young talent in hand promising a bright future. What a jackass!


Oh, lighten up Walt.

He turned down the trades to accept one to the Yankees. I am religiously bound to feel no sympathy for any subsequent failures and the grief he gets for them.
   42. Zonk is One Individual Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:50 PM (#5764337)
I suspect I'm showing my lack of hipness but I don't understand #33. In any case it's either insanity or genius and I'm cool with thinking it's a bit of both.


I suspect its either irrational exuberance for a team that plays with an oblong ball or a mockery of that irrational exuberance.

Either way, given that I care about the NFL for about as long as it takes me to set my fantasy lineup each Thursday morning - the only thing I hate about Chicago more than when the Bears suck is when they don't (or appear not to).

EDIT: Ah well, never mind. I retract nothing I said anyway except the "suspect".
   43. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:57 PM (#5764343)
I'd thought of Yelich too but the Brewers gave up some actual talent in that trade. Not trough-the-roof talent but Miami's #1, #8 and #16 prospects. Just like 28 other teams wish they had signed Cain, 28 others wish they had traded for Yelich. It was a good offseason in Milwaukee. Just a bit south on Lake Michigan, not so much.
   44. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2018 at 06:01 PM (#5764345)
I took #33 as an obtuse reference to Homer's bear-repelling rock although that is a parable to avoid post hoc ergo proctor hoc more than a parable of the perils of small sample sizes.

Or he confused bbtf with grindr
   45. BrianBrianson Posted: October 10, 2018 at 07:19 PM (#5764384)
I mean, it was irrational exuberance for the fact that four games is far too small a sample size to evaluate a hitter.

If you told me the NFL folded a decade ago, I wouldn't be able to argue.

But Walt makes a good point, too.
   46. perros Posted: October 10, 2018 at 07:35 PM (#5764391)
I think fans expect superstars to hit .400 with 60 HR and 150 RBI, whereas it's much more pleasing to watch a guy like Justin Turner whose optimized his more limited abilities into all star territory. A big reason Judge is much loved is because nobody saw him coming.
   47. Leroy Kincaid Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:12 PM (#5764406)
St Louis? Don't you people hate them too? I thought all that is successful is evil.
   48. Rally Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:39 PM (#5764415)
A big reason Judge is much loved is because nobody saw him coming.


Homegrown vs. trading for the biggest contract in the game is a big part of it. We've seen this comp before in NY.
   49. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 11, 2018 at 02:57 AM (#5764479)

Giancarlo Stanton’s first postseason with the Yankees was a disappointing dud
Weird headline. I wasn't disappointed at all.
   50. Buck Coats Posted: October 11, 2018 at 04:05 AM (#5764482)
talking about how they had to trade him, and being willing to eat his contact and/or get nothing at all back if it meant someone else eating it.


Hey, if it was good enough for the Marlins to do...
   51. manchestermets Posted: October 11, 2018 at 06:05 AM (#5764487)
Does Stanton still have a no-trade clause* or did waiving it so that he could be traded to the Yankees wipe it out for good?

*Not that I assume the Yankees want to trade him.
   52. . . . . . . Posted: October 11, 2018 at 08:43 AM (#5764491)
In all seriousness, if Stanton is going to have contact issues anyways he should consider tweaking his swing for more loft. Folks have been saying that for years but he’s rather obviously squandering some of his bat speed with a swing that generates a lot of line drives when he actually makes contact.
   53. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 11, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5764508)
A big reason Judge is much loved is because nobody saw him coming.

And one reason he might be loved now more than ever is his 1.447 OPS in this year's postseason, with only 3 strikeouts in 19 at bats. That last stat may be the most amazing one of them all.

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