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Sunday, August 20, 2017

Giants eliminated in NL West with loss to Phillies, race is on to draft first

We have our first division race casualty of 2017.

Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 20, 2017 at 10:32 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Tim D Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:45 AM (#5517765)
Giants still have shot at the wild card.
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:01 AM (#5517779)
They do indeed. Their fall off this year has been pretty amazing though. Coming into the season I thought they would win around 85 games.
   3. Mefisto Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:48 AM (#5517825)
Since the All Star break last season, they've played under .400 ball.
   4. ^^^ Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:55 AM (#5517834)
Pretty amazing decline from best record in baseball to under .400 over the next full-season equivalent. With a roster that really hasn't changed all that much.

Can't remember anything quite like it, although I'm sure it's not completely unprecedented.

Makes it hard to plan next steps, although all the long-term contracts kind of hamstring them anyway. Getting Stanton would be a big help, but that's a really big risk.
   5. JustDan Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:21 AM (#5517853)
Bochy is now just six games over .500 (1839-1833). I suppose he still will make the HOF. But, Dusty Baker passed him yesterday in managerial wins.
   6. Spahn Insane, stool of Tarantino Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:17 AM (#5518325)
Since the All Star break last season, they've played under .400 ball.

All the more amazing since, IIRC, they had the best record in baseball at last year's ASB (or it might've been shortly thereafter).
   7. stanmvp48 Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:30 PM (#5518527)
And another year on the hook to Hunter Pence for 18 million
   8. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:25 PM (#5518577)
And another year on the hook to Hunter Pence for 18 million


Yeah, but he was quite useful in a couple of WS winners. Interesting that he had back-to-back 162 Games Played seasons followed by 2 injury seasons that totaled 160 games.

That last contract isn't going to be too much of a win for the Giants. 90M for 6 or so WAR (assuming no dead cat bounce next year).

On the plus side, the Giants gave up basically nobody for him, unless you are excited by the soon to lose his job if the Phils have any sense, Tommy Joseph's -0.6 WAR. I've rooted for Joseph, fighting back from all his concussions. But he hits like a catcher, which has no place for a first baseman (with weak defensive skills). At best he's a RH DH platoon guy. We know how valuable those guys are.
   9. Mefisto Posted: August 22, 2017 at 01:36 PM (#5518590)
All the more amazing since, IIRC, they had the best record in baseball at last year's ASB


They did. And weirdly, they were one bullpen meltdown away from taking the Cubs to game 5.
   10. stanmvp48 Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5518643)
Not to mention the money they will be paying Mark Melancon.
   11. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5518692)
I'm a strong advocate for trying to win it all when you can, but that approach is not without its perils. The Giants' attempts to extend their run have all fallen flat. I don't think they're dumb or anything, but now that the every-other-year dynastic run is over, I wonder when they're going to look to trade MadBum.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5518696)
They would not and should not trade MadBum.

I don't think they are necessarily done as a team. The outfield is kind of a mess but Posey and Belt are solid, Panik is reasonable, Crawford may well bounce back. Bumgarner-Cueto-Moore could easily pitch much better next year. Samardzjia seems like the only obvious really dumb move they've made lately, and even he could easily bounce back next year.
   13. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5518702)
I do believe in Cueto, but Moore and Cain seem to me to be irreparably damaged goods, and Samardzjia was a big mistake. Crawford seems to have peaked, and not just with his bat — his UZR/150 is still very good, but still down significantly. The bullpen has the highest reliever OBP in league, and like you say, the outfield is a mess. Belt's a nice player, but this team only has two stars.

On the Tigers/Verlander threads, I've been arguing that Detroit can still be a dark horse if they keep Verlander and things break right. I don't think the Giants have even the pieces that Detroit has to contend for the WC next year, and no chance at all at the division.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5518705)
So, it's over?
   15. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:05 PM (#5518713)
It's always been over.
   16. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:19 PM (#5518730)
The Giants' attempts to extend their run have all fallen flat.


Yeah, but they won 3 championships in 5 years. That's three freaking championships in five years! My team hasn't been to the World Series since the year I was born. So you could say they're an example of why you should go all out for it when you can. In four years, the Cueto and Pence contracts won't affect the team and they'll still have won 3 titles in the last 10 years, which is pretty dang good.

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