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Wednesday, October 09, 2019

Giants hoping healthy offseason will help get Buster Posey back on track

SAN FRANCISCO—The familiar faces kept coming through the center field wall. Cody Ross and Pat Burrell popped out, and soon came Marco Scutaro and Gregor Blanco and Barry Zito and so many others who have been part of championship runs. It ended with Tim Lincecum, who drew the loudest ovation on the final day of the Giants season.

Bruce Bochy watched it all from the infield, marveling at how many old friends had gathered in one place. A few feet away, so did Buster Posey.

“I haven’t seen a lot of those guys in a long time,” Posey said an hour later. “Hopefully with 2020 coming up, we’ll get to see more of them at some point next year.”

The reunion of that 2010 championship team will have the same effect on Posey. It will also be another reminder of just how long he’s been doing this. Most of his teammates during those championship runs have long since retired. Bochy just rode off into the sunset. Pablo Sandoval’s future is uncertain after Tommy John surgery. Madison Bumgarner very well could be elsewhere next February.

 

QLE Posted: October 09, 2019 at 01:29 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mefisto Posted: October 09, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5888231)
I hope to win the lottery this off-season.
   2. Cris E Posted: October 09, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5888236)
Wait, Mefisto is hoping. I'm less optimistic than I was before the MIN-NYY game the other night, but I'm still looking ahead. Why don't MadBum and Panda get to hope?
   3. cookiedabookie Posted: October 09, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5888252)
Catching wears guys down. This might be closer to the end for Buster than we care to believe.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: October 09, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5888406)
Posey's defense still seems good so even a bounce-back to a 100ish OPS+ (e.g. McCann at about the same ages) makes him a 2.5 WAR player. Somewhere I've got a Yasmani Grandal comp list up (which also includes Ramos) and it wasn't particularly promising. The guys who survived past Posey's age (Posada, Downing, VMart) were all much better hitters at 31-32 than Posey has been the last couple of years. Javy Lopez would be the most promising of those comps -- Javy surprisingly added 80 points of OPS+ at age 33.

Anyway, one year as a solid defense hopefully OK bat starter, one year splitting time with Bart then ride off into the sunset should be enough to satisfy the Giants. Always a challenge to assess contracts that include arb buyouts but the Giants have already gotten 29 WAR for their $167 M and will probably squeeze out 2-3 more.

By the way, I noticed they semi-Bryanted him with that silly 2010 maneuvering as he sits on x.161 service days. I doubt that was their intent (or at least not the main one) since you don't generally sign somebody like Bengie Molina for that purpose but it might have been a "nice to have."
   5. Bhaakon Posted: October 09, 2019 at 07:00 PM (#5888459)
It might not have been their intent when they signed Molina, but it certainly was by the time his actual promotion rolled around.
   6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 09, 2019 at 07:12 PM (#5888473)
. . . one year splitting time with Bart . . .
Bart broke his thumb yesterday in the Arizona Fall League. He missed 2 months earlier this year when he broke his other thumb, so he may have to go on the Brittle Watch List.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: October 09, 2019 at 09:06 PM (#5888540)
It might not have been their intent when they signed Molina, but it certainly was by the time his actual promotion rolled around.

Probably but maybe not. Probably in that once an opportunity presents itself, you take it. But maybe in that he was down about 10 days longer than he had to be. He also played 1B when he came up. He didn't start his first game at C until his 9th game up, didn't start there again for nearly 3 weeks. (He played 1B, pushing Huff to LF, Torres to RF and mainly taking PT from Schierholz). Also when they did trade Molina, they soon made a trade for Burrell to keep Shceriholz mostly on the bench. I tend to go 50/50 on this one in that I think it's quite possible the Giants simply under-rated Posey.

Now understandably you might be thinking "who would hold back Posey to have been giving Schierholtz PT to begin with?" As it turned out, he got off to a blistering start, OPS over 1000 at the end of April. He was still around 900 in mid-May. He then went into a 091/200/091 tailspin and the Posey era began. Of course it's also quite possible that by mid-May they were hoping they might be able to hold Posey back long enough to keep him from super 2 even.

I don't think it was much in consideration but Posey in AAA got off to an OK but not great start -- high BA but a 112 ISO through April. He then crushed for about 10 games ... then went back to high BA, low power. He then crushed it again at the same time that Schierholtz cratered.
   8. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: October 09, 2019 at 09:43 PM (#5888552)
Does he make a second ballot in the HOF voting?
   9. caspian88 Posted: October 09, 2019 at 11:26 PM (#5888583)
MVP plus three rings, the first three in SF history? I think he's got enough narrative to stick around for at least a couple ballots.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2019 at 12:21 AM (#5888636)
I think he has a solid shot at the HoF if he can bounce back enough to make it to about about 7500 PA and 1200+ starts at C. The MVP will go a long way and he'd be in the 50-55 WAR range probably if he could do that. That would basically make him Joe Mauer with 400-500 more games at C. But if this is pretty much it, then no.

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