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Giants’ Madison Bumgarner convinced balls are juiced: ‘No denying it’

Madison Bumgarner isn’t one to mince words, and recently the Giants starting pitcher said what everyone’s been thinking.

The balls are juiced.

“There’s no denying it,” Bumgarner told The San Francisco Chronicle. “I don’t think anybody at this point is denying the ball is different. It’s definitely different, and it’s affecting a lot of the all-time stats.”

The proof is in the pudding, as they say, and a simple glance at the home run leaderboard serves to confirm Bumgarner’s suspicion. While New York’s Pete Alonso is the only player thus far to reach the 50-homer plateau, there are another seven players in the forties, and another 47 in the thirties.

Mind you, it’s not so much that he’s wrong, and more that he’s a little late to the parade…..

 

QLE Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:04 AM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: juiced baseballs, madison bumgarner

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: September 23, 2019 at 02:46 AM (#5882075)
But what's his explanation for Babe Ruth? :-)
   2. Bote Man Posted: September 23, 2019 at 03:58 AM (#5882082)
“I don’t think anybody at this point is denying the ball is different. It’s definitely different, and it’s affecting a lot of the all-time stats.”

That's right, Mr. Rocket Scientist, nobody is denying it. Even the successor to HizzonerForLife Selig, Rob Manfred, has acknowledged that the balls are clearly different.

The question is whether this is a deliberate move orchestrated by the controlling interest in Rawlings (MLB) or simply an expected outcome of tighter quality control oversight implemented as part of an ongoing Q.C. process?

If MLB took actions that made the ball go farther, then where does this leave the League in punishing players who hit the ball farther by changing their physiology?? Juiced balls >>>> juiced players??

THINK OF THE ASTERISKS!!!
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2019 at 09:31 AM (#5882113)
The question is whether this is a deliberate move orchestrated by the controlling interest in Rawlings (MLB) or simply an expected outcome of tighter quality control oversight implemented as part of an ongoing Q.C. process?

Whether it started as deliberate, it's deliberate now. They've known for several seasons the ball is juiced, and getting juicier. They've had ample time to order Rawlings to make corrections, or just use the minor league ball.
   4. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 23, 2019 at 09:44 AM (#5882119)
I don't know how you write this article without mentioning the AAA numbers.
   5. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: September 23, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5882171)
Haven't they said that they were going back to the 2018 ball next year?

There's no reason to change the ball until next season, unless they're worried about records. Which they don't seem to be.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5882175)
Haven't they said that they were going back to the 2018 ball next year?

If so, I missed it. Link?
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 23, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5882176)
He's going to Draw the IRE of a CERTAIN POSTER!!

One LINE at a TIME!!!

GET OVER IT!!!!
   8. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: September 23, 2019 at 12:09 PM (#5882178)
Who are you going to believe? An active Major League pitcher or an actor playing a character who had been dead for 50 years in a 20 year old movie?
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 23, 2019 at 12:12 PM (#5882182)
It’s definitely different, and it’s affecting a lot of the all-time stats.”
Err...you had me, and then you lost me.
   10. Lest we forget Posted: September 23, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5882195)
This is not the game i love. Too many homers. I mean, mercy, so many 30 HR guys. So many. A steady diet of the three outcomes is b-o-r-i-n-g.

Sigh ...

   11. . Posted: September 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5882201)
With the top-and-bottom heavy teams and the lack of pennant races and the consciously juiced ball, and the massive number of players deployed, and the hijacking of the day-to-day narrative by the soul-deprived "analysts," and all the TTO oafball, this year's American League is the least compelling form of baseball any league has played since at least the time I became a sentient baseball watcher in the mid-1970s.(*) It's almost as if you couldn't make it less compelling if you were doing so on purpose. It's possible I'll watch zero playoff baseball this year, which even three or four years ago would have been unimaginable. Most likely, I'll kind of dabble in some day/early night games the first week and then hockey season will start and I'll be done.

(*) And most likely since the de facto end of crackerball, whenever that's deemed to be.
   12. Greg Pope Posted: September 23, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5882203)
This is not the game i love. Too many homers. I mean, mercy, so many 30 HR guys. So many. A steady diet of the three outcomes is b-o-r-i-n-g.

Any thoughts on why we're seeing so many 20 and 30 HR guys, but nobody seriously threatening 60? If the ball is juiced then I would have thought that the 45-HR guys would be hitting 60. If it was purely a launch angle thing, then it makes sense that the 45-HR guys were probably already maxing out their launch angle while the 10-HR guys were not.
   13. . Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5882208)
If it was purely a launch angle thing, then it makes sense that the 45-HR guys were probably already maxing out their launch angle while the 10-HR guys were not.


They almost certainly were. You can infer launch angle back from ball flight and distance; you don't need to measure it directly.
   14. bunyon Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5882212)
The season has certainly been pretty meh but the playoffs may be awesome. The odds are against it but I'm really looking forward to an Astros/Dodgers World Series.
   15. Blastin Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5882216)
Any thoughts on why we're seeing so many 20 and 30 HR guys, but nobody seriously threatening 60? If the ball is juiced then I would have thought that the 45-HR guys would be hitting 60.


I would think it has to be distance, right? Aaron Judge doesn't need any help. So the ball goes 420 instead of 410.

But Gardner has more HR than he does, so that's who it helps.

(Yeah, Judge was injured, and has 14 HR in the last 31 games, but still.)
   16. Greg Pope Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:46 PM (#5882227)
I would think it has to be distance, right? Aaron Judge doesn't need any help. So the ball goes 420 instead of 410.

But that would mean that Judge never hit a ball to right center that would have gone 380 that now goes 390. That doesn't seem likely. Judge had to hit a decent number of warning track doubles or outs.
   17. Tin Angel Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5882230)
It's possible I'll watch zero playoff baseball this year, which even three or four years ago would have been unimaginable.


This is great news! Bye!
   18. Blastin Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5882233)
But that would mean that Judge never hit a ball to right center that would have gone 380 that now goes 390. That doesn't seem likely. Judge had to hit a decent number of warning track doubles or outs.


I dunno. I am sure there are numbers on this.
   19. Greg Pope Posted: September 23, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5882237)
I dunno. I am sure there are numbers on this.

Yeah, I don't know where to get them (and am probably incapable of analyzing them anyway). It would be interesting to see if average home run distance was longer. Of course, if a lot of, say, Ketel Marte's homers are just barely making it over, then that would pull down the average.
   20. Rusty Priske Posted: September 23, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5882245)
While the ball is certainly juicy and I would prefer that it be fixed, to me the think that makes this less like the baseball I love it is the usage of pitchers.

To each their own.
   21. reech Posted: September 23, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5882253)
just subtract 10 homers from every hitter with more than 20-
more reasonable totals if the ball was legit
   22. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 23, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5882255)
It's possible I'll watch zero playoff baseball this year, which even three or four years ago would have been unimaginable.


This is great news! Bye!


*shrug* I think I last watched in 2004.
   23. Ithaca2323 Posted: September 23, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5882259)
Re: 60 It doesn't help that guys like Trout, Cruz, Judge, and Stanton all battled injuries and/or missed a ton of time.

   24. Blastin Posted: September 23, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5882274)
just subtract 10 homers from every hitter with more than 20-
more reasonable totals if the ball was legit


Well, no, the point is that Nelson Cruz would probably still have the same amount but that Ketel Marte might not.

*shrug* I think I last watched in 2004.


What are you all still doing on here if you never watch ANY postseason baseball?
   25. base ball chick Posted: September 23, 2019 at 03:27 PM (#5882280)
the juiced ball distorting all TATSHRR is no problemo because they don't have someone EVULLLLL like sosa mcgwire or barry lamar threatening to break the single seaqson record.

it is perfectly OK if a banjo hitter like eric sogard is suddenly slamming homers

it is perfectly ok that almost the regulars on the astros are all 30 homer guys. ir is perfectly ok that umpty more guys are SUDDENLY hitting homers at a record rate for them

just don't go over 60 and everything is peachy keen

and yeah, TTO baseball is seriously a lot more boring than, say, whitey-ball, but since manfred is getting away with an admittedly juiced ball and neither congress nor fans are complaining about all the distorted Sacred Numbers, it ain't changing

bumgarner just has the red ass because he's not hitting more of em out his own self

   26. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 23, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5882286)
What are you all still doing on here if you never watch ANY postseason baseball?


The numbers, stories & history per se are what interests me.
   27. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 23, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5882287)
and yeah, TTO baseball is seriously a lot more boring than, say, whitey-ball,


Racist.
   28. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5882297)
While the ball is certainly juicy and I would prefer that it be fixed, to me the think that makes this less like the baseball I love it is the usage of pitchers.

The issues with current MLB as I see them 1) pace of play, 2) proliferation of RPs, 3a) K-rate 3b) HR-rate, 5) too many teams making no effort to field a competitive team.

1) and 3b) are the easy ones to fix, though.
   29. Perry Posted: September 23, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5882339)
Well, that's case closed then. I was just waiting to hear Bumgarner's opinion.
   30. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: September 24, 2019 at 04:12 PM (#5882686)
snapper, I have no link. I may have heard someone on MLB-TV babbling about Manfred saying that they'd go back to the 2018 ball. I don't know.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 24, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5882689)
snapper, I have no link. I may have heard someone on MLB-TV babbling about Manfred saying that they'd go back to the 2018 ball. I don't know.

I hope it's true.
   32. Sunday silence Posted: September 26, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5883491)
The issues with current MLB as I see them 1) pace of play, 2) proliferation of RPs, 3a) K-rate 3b) HR-rate, 5) too many teams making no effort to field a competitive team.


I think is spot on.
   33. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: September 26, 2019 at 08:59 PM (#5883493)
It doesn't help that guys like Trout, Cruz, Judge, and Stanton all battled injuries and/or missed a ton of time.


And Gallo.

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