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Thursday, August 14, 2014

Girardi pushes panic button, costs Yanks

BALTIMORE—Joe Girardi seemed more upset about losing the argument than losing the game.

That, my friends, pretty much says it all about Wednesday night’s crushing loss to the Baltimore Orioles and about the true state of the manager of the New York Yankees’ confidence in his team’s postseason chances.

And it says an awful lot about the way he managed this game, which went a long way toward insuring his team would lose it.

 

And there’s really no other way to explain his overreaction to the seventh-inning play in which Stephen Drew was called out for running out of the baseline. Girardi argued with home plate umpire Gerry Davis, went back to the dugout, and then came out and argued again, clearly looking to get himself thrown out of the game (which he did).

After the game, Girardi said he had looked at the replay, knew he was right, and came out to inform Davis of that fact.

But a look at the replay will tell you Girardi was not telling the truth. It is readily available online. Drew was clearly running on the infield grass for the last 10 yards of the play, which is a no-no. Surely Girardi knew this after watching it himself.

DKDC Posted: August 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4771112)
I like Girardi's decision to try to get a third inning out of Betances. (Ostensibly Tony Pena's decision but really Girardi's.) But how you then go with Shawn Kelly instead of Robertson is beyond me. And not that it was going to work out this way in an alternate universe, but the Yankees did end up scoring a run in the 9th, so shutting the door in the 8th would have really been helpful.

But the dumb "closer can't pitch in a tie game on the road" seems to be the extent of the thinking here.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4771122)
What's the point of even having a panic button if you don't press it once in awhile?
   3. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4771143)
It really has to hurt to be the Yankee manager right now.
   4. Rough Carrigan Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:49 PM (#4771151)
I'm sure every guy who managed the Royals the last 28 years or any other downtrodden, hopeless team will cry rivers for poor Joe Girardi. Boo hoo.
   5. tfbg9 Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4771152)
but the Yankees did end up scoring a run in the 9th, so shutting the door in the 8th would have really been helpful.


Logical Fallacy Police! The Yanks were not preordained to score a run in the 9th.
   6. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4771153)
Girardi needs a copy of the Guide.
   7. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4771158)
Fun game. Just wish we could have swept a three game series instead.
   8. Batman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4771160)
What's the point of even having a panic button if you don't press it once in awhile?
Now he's down to a race card.
   9. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4771164)
but the Yankees did end up scoring a run in the 9th, so shutting the door in the 8th would have really been helpful.

Logical Fallacy Police! The Yanks were not preordained to score a run in the 9th.

A really creative reader might be able to twist Leviticus 25:22 into addressing this situation.

And ye shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in ye shall eat of the old store.

"Years" are innings, "sow" means "keep the opposition off of the board", and "fruits" are runs or something.
   10. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4771165)
Logical Fallacy Police! The Yanks were not preordained to score a run in the 9th.


Yeah, I said that in the part you snipped out.
   11. Ron J2 Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4771170)
#5 Sure, but the single most important situation that closers are not commonly used are tied games on the road.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4771295)
Logical Fallacy Police! The Yanks were not preordained to score a run in the 9th.

But the Probability Legal Defense Fund would like to remind you that the probability of winning the game is increased if you keep the opposition from scoring, even if that probability is small. There is no need to assume predestination to justify a move.

Wait a second! Optimal Bullpen Usage Bureau here. One needs to weigh using Robertson for 1-inning here against several factors -- is he fresh? how likely are you to need him tomorrow? who else you got?
   13. jdennis Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4771296)
I agree with #1. There was absolutely nothing wrong with keeping Betances in, he was shredding them and he had the pitch count available. The bad decision was going to like the 5th option or whatever Kelly is. If you can't put in closers in during a tie game on the road, then why would you be able to put in a mediocre 4.5 ERA middle reliever in during a tie game on the road?
   14. Buzzkill Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:51 PM (#4771356)
Joe Effing Girardi has kept this absolute neolithic bunch of wounded past primes afloat and somehow relevant in Mid-August. Are you kidding me? 2014 Ellsbury is your #3 hitter? And how much did they spend on McCann? So I can forgive him following Betances with Kelly.
   15. catomi01 Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4771359)
One needs to weigh using Robertson for 1-inning here against several factors -- is he fresh? how likely are you to need him tomorrow? who else you got?


They were rained out the night before and have an off-day today...that's about as good as you can hope for for a reliever in August...according to BB-ref, he hasn't pitched since August 7th. I think you could make the case now that he's been under-used this month, and I'd probably be a little concerned about rust after not pitching for a week.
   16. Dale Sams Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4771367)
Since Joe has been there, they have outplayed their Pythag by 15 games.
   17. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4771468)
I agree with #1. There was absolutely nothing wrong with keeping Betances in, he was shredding them and he had the pitch count available. The bad decision was going to like the 5th option or whatever Kelly is. If you can't put in closers in during a tie game on the road, then why would you be able to put in a mediocre 4.5 ERA middle reliever in during a tie game on the road?

The Yankees' problems began when they pulled Pineda after the 5th, leaving them with only 2 reliable relievers pitchers who've never combined for 4 innings before. This is where the superior depth of Baltimore's pitching put them in an advantageous position.

Girardi could have done what he usually does and saved Betances until the 7th, but that would've just been re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The rest of the Yankees' bullpen is seriously unreliable other than Thornton, and he's mostly been used as a LOOGY for one or two batters only. He could have replaced Betances with Robertson, but Robertson's chalked up more than 4 outs only once in the entire season. And when Robertson's thrown 25 or more pitches, he's given up a run in 8 out of 14 games. When he gets stretched he's not the same pitcher as he is for one inning only.

Not that I envy Girardi's position. He said that Pineda's pitches were beginning to drift up in the zone (as with Cruz's double), and he'd just come off the DL and it's understandable that you wouldn't want to stretch him. It's not that his pitch count of 67 was high, it was just a common sense precaution after all the arm problems Pineda's had.
   18. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4771471)
Since Joe has been there, they have outplayed their Pythag by 15 games.

Yeah, the Yankees have more problems than you can count, but Girardi's not one of them. His lineup and pitching staff are so shot full of holes and weak spots that it's a miracle they're above .500. Other than first base when Teixeira's not on the DL, there's not a single position where he's got a player who's equal to Baltimore's.

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