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Friday, August 03, 2012

Gleeman: Dodgers cut Bobby Abreu to make room for Shane Victorino

A little late on this, but if it’s the end, certainly worth noting.

Shane Victorino‘s arrival meant someone had to get the boot from the Dodgers’ roster today and they chose 38-year-old Bobby Abreu, designating him for assignment…

with a .347 on-base percentage in 236 plate appearances overall this season Abreu isn’t totally devoid of value, so it’ll be interesting to see if he can find another big-league gig.

The District Attorney Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:47 PM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bobby abreu, dodgers, transactions

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   1. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:59 AM (#4200389)
Hall of Very Good member for sure. Perhaps more.
   2. Srul Itza At Home Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:15 AM (#4200393)
Hall of Very, Very Good member?
   3. Tuque Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:26 AM (#4200396)
Bobby Abreu was on the Dodgers?
   4. shoewizard Posted: August 04, 2012 at 04:14 AM (#4200404)
Hall of Very Good member for sure. Perhaps more.


More ? As in HOF or HOM ?

Lost it defensively too fast, and while still above average as a hitter for a long time, was merely just a good player the last 5-6 years. And that peak just not quite high enough. Only one season over 150 OPS+. Only two seasons over 6 WAR. (6.2 & 6.3...decimal points...ugh).

If he had a couple of truly MVP worthy seasons in there, and perhaps a little better fielding after age 30 perhaps HOM or HOF, but I just don't see a case for "more" than HOVG
   5. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 04, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4200430)
Does the HOVG have an inner circle?
   6. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 04, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4200431)
shoe, so you think he hit a wall defensively? Oh, wait, never mind ...
   7. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 04, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4200439)
What a prime. I do think Bobby Abreu falls just short of the Hall of Fame, but he was just about the perfect all-around baseball player in his prime. There wasn't a thing on the field he didn't do well. These are his numbers from 1998-2006:

5066 AB, 928 R, 1543 H, 364 2B, 42 3B, 202 HR, 856 RBI, 264 SB, 82 CS, 980 BB, 1130 K, 305/416/513

139 OPS+, +310 Bat, +27 Run, +41 Field, -63 Pos, +169 Rep, 47 WAR

He could hit for average, hit for power, run, command the strike zone, play defense, and he'd out on the field the next day for the next game. (From 2001-2005 he missed 12 games total.) A truly great player who never got the respect he deserved (only 2 ASG), and then declined just a bit too quickly to be a deserving Hall of Famer.
   8. Padraic Posted: August 04, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4200440)
shoe, so you think he hit a wall defensively?


Heh, that's funny.

It should also be noted that Abreu's trade from Philly to NY was done in part to give Victorino an everyday job in RF, so this is the second time the Flyin' Hawaiian has replace Abreu.

I remember a 2005 or 2006 BP guide predicting Abreu would "walk in" (pun intended, by me if not B-Pro) to the Hall in 2018.
   9. Nasty Nate Posted: August 04, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4200456)
Shane kind of replaced Abreu in Philly too
   10. DA Baracus Posted: August 04, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4200468)
There wasn't a thing on the field he didn't do well.


He was elite at not jumping or diving for balls.
   11. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4200481)
Three former Yankee outfielders get DFAed within a two-week span, two on the same day. On last night's YES telecast, Paul O'Neill suggested that all three would find new teams soon. [Hehehe.] One has to figure that, if any of the three do get signed, it has to be Abreu, right?
   12. Ryan Lind Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4200490)
He hit exactly 20 HR five times, which is a record (Baines 4, Nettles 3)
   13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4200496)
He also tied for the record of most consecutive seasons with 100 walks (8). Frank Thomas and Maxie Bishop also did it.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4200502)
Abreu also holds the record for most consecutive seasons playing at least 150 games, with 13. Neither Gehrig nor Ripken ever did that. Not running into walls pays off.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4200525)
Does the HOVG have an inner circle?


I've explained this before, and I'll explain it again. The inner circle of the HOVG is not composed of the best players in the HOVG. It is the players that best represent what it is to be a HOVG member. Think about it and you'll know that I'm right.

Players like Abreu, for whom a somewhat credible HOF case can be made, cannot be inner circle HOVG members. Players like McGriff or Kevin Brown, for whom a totally reasonable HOF case can be made, are not even in the HOVG. They slip between the cracks of the two Halls.

Guys like Jesse Barfield and Mark Langston are inner circle HOVG.
   16. McCoy Posted: August 04, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4200534)
Well, Gehrig played in the days of the 154 game schedule and 1935 the Yankees only played 149 games. They had a ton of rainouts that year and they decided not to makeup 6 of those rainouts (and for some reason they played an extra game against Washington when they didn't need too) even though they finished only 3 games behind the Tigers that year.

They did not play 2 games against Philly, 2 against Chicago, 1 against Washington (they played the extra Washington game two months before this scheduled game), and 1 against Boston.

If you go by percentages (150/162) both Gehrig and Ripken do well in this streak.
   17. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 04, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4200606)
November 18, 1997: Drafted by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays from the Houston Astros as the 6th pick in the 1997 expansion draft.

A brilliant move!
November 18, 1997: Traded by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays to the Philadelphia Phillies for Kevin Stocker.

Oops!
   18. OCF Posted: August 04, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4200622)
Guys like Jesse Barfield and Mark Langston are inner circle HOVG.

Langston, of course, is on the list of guys who might be better than Jack Morris.

For the concept you have in mind, how about Ray Lankford?
   19. PreservedFish Posted: August 04, 2012 at 06:47 PM (#4200625)
Lankford seems like an obvious HOVG guy to me. My HOVG has a big heart and open arms.

But I think my point is irrefutable: an "inner circle" HOVG player is not a player that just barely misses the HOF cut. The HOVG doesn't exist to celebrate the HOF's near-misses, it exists to celebrate the players that were never considered HOF quality but were still great and worth remembering.
   20. The District Attorney Posted: August 04, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4200646)
I think I agree that a legit HOF candidate like Abreu is not in the HOVG.

I couldn't take it so far, though, as to say Jesse Barfield is the cream of the HOVG crop. Why leave, say (sticking to strong-armed RF), Rocky Colavito in limbo? Rocky is clearly better than Jesse, and yet clearly is not HOF. Therefore, Rocky can and should be HOVG.

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