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Thursday, August 04, 2011

Gleeman: Rob Dibble will not shut up about Stephen Strasburg and the Nationals

There’s absolutely no reason, other than to sell tickets and to put butts in the seats, to bring Stephen Strasburg back to make a few starts at the end of the season. He’s too valuable. He’s too talented to even think about stuff like that. But in their case, you know, having worked with those people, the only thing I can say is that there are some people there that think they invented the game of baseball. Which they did not.

  And so they think they can do things differently than 29 other teams in the game. That’s the problem I had when I was working there, and now, even when I’ve been working on this channel for the last seven years. It’s pretty simple stuff. You want guys to play 15-20 years, you don’t need to rush a guy back just to get a couple starts in so you can sell out the stadium and stuff like that.

Amazing.

So when Strasburg initially injured his elbow Dibble mocked him for not pitching through the pain, but now that he’s missed nearly an entire year following surgery Dibble is ripping the Nationals for potentially calling him up to resume pitching in the majors after what’s been a pretty typically recovery timetable.

Wasn’t the best pitching prospect in baseball also “too valuable” and “too talented” to let pitch through an elbow injury last year, like Dibble so outspokenly advised? Where was his concern about wanting Strasburg “to play 15-20 years” back then?

What a hypocritical loudmouth.

Thanks to Hudd.

Repoz Posted: August 04, 2011 at 05:42 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. McCoy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 05:47 PM (#3892760)
What a hypocritical loudmouth.

Well, either that or he has the capability to learn or he is paid to put things on the page or over the air.
   2. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3892824)
There’s absolutely no reason, other than to sell tickets and to put butts in the seats,


What's wrong with this reason?
   3. Millon deFloss Posted: August 04, 2011 at 06:58 PM (#3892830)
It's not difficult to comprehend. If you have a health Strasburg, you pitch him. If not, you don't. It appears the Nationals will slide him into the spot in the rotation currently held down by Jordan Zimmermann. ZNN is on a 160 innings limit that he should reach about the time Strasburg comes off rehab.
   4. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:10 PM (#3892838)
My recollection is that pitchers coming back from Tommy John often have some control issues their first few games back. If that's true and soemthing that can be overcome with a 3-4 start stint in September rather than in April, 2012 that has value for the Nationals.
   5. McCoy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:21 PM (#3892850)
My recollection is that pitchers coming back from Tommy John often have some control issues their first few games back. If that's true and soemthing that can be overcome with a 3-4 start stint in September rather than in April, 2012 that has value for the Nationals.

Wouldn't it be even better in the Arizona Fall League or during spring training?
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:23 PM (#3892851)
What's wrong with this reason?

If it's potentially damaging to the player and causes his career to tank you are trading long term gain for short term gain.

And so they think they can do things differently than 29 other teams in the game. That’s the problem I had when I was working there, and now, even when I’ve been working on this channel for the last seven years. It’s pretty simple stuff. You want guys to play 15-20 years, you don’t need to rush a guy back just to get a couple starts in so you can sell out the stadium and stuff like that.


Considering that Wainwright wants to come back this year...yes 7 months after his surgery... I don't think the Nationals are the only team to consider pitching a guy a little early from Tommy John surgery. Heck every pitcher of recent memory that I can think of who has had any real recovery, has thought they could come back early from the surgery, the only reason teams haven't let them is that they usually don't see the pressing need to experiment. Recovery time on Tommy John is getting shorter and shorter somebody is going to have to be the first to break the 10 month window(or less)
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:30 PM (#3892859)
Recovery time on Tommy John is getting shorter and shorter somebody is going to have to be the first to break the 10 month window(or less)


But that wouldn't be Strasburg. You don't want to rush him back simply to get a few home sellouts in September, but if he's on schedule to return in September, then why the hell not let him toss a few innings at the big-league level (which not only might let him get the kinks out, but would probably make the franchise pitcher happier).
   8. Brian C Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:40 PM (#3892867)
[never mind]
   9. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:40 PM (#3892868)
If it's potentially damaging to the player and causes his career to tank you are trading long term gain for short term gain.


Right--but it seems to be obvious that the Nats wouldn't intentionally bring him back before he's ready.
   10. McCoy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:52 PM (#3892888)
How much of an attendance boost are they going to get from having Strasburg start in September? The hype is gone. Let him pitch this offseason and in spring training and if by the end of that he is STEPHEN STRASBURG then you'll get the hype back and the tickets will fly out the window initially. But who gets excited about a couple of rehab starts for a guy coming off of Tommy John surgery?
   11. TerpNats Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:06 PM (#3892899)
If he's shown he's ready and is physically up to it, why not (as long as he's on a pitch count and strict supervision)? Heck, the Nats are already on their yearly, Redskins-stoked slide to oblivion, so you might as well pitch a healthy Strasburg in a game or two...especially since they will be at home on Sundays opposite the first three weeks of Redskins season, and this way, you can remind the D.C. media you still exist.
   12. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:07 PM (#3892901)
Wouldn't it be even better in the Arizona Fall League or during spring training?


Why would that be better? Yeah, if you do it in September the games "count" but on a practical basis they are irrelevent to the Nationals who will be eliminated by then so perhaps having Strasburg pitch against MLB competition would be more useful. And yes, if all things are equal, take the extra gate.

But who gets excited about a couple of rehab starts for a guy coming off of Tommy John surgery?


I would bet the walk up ticket sales would be the highest of the season for the Nationals to see a 4 inning, 75 pitch rehab start by Strasburg.
   13. McCoy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:14 PM (#3892911)
So they get 2,000 extra $5 ticket sold?

Why would that be better?

A more controlled and protective environment after several more months of rest and rehab wouldn't be better?
   14. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:27 PM (#3892920)
A more controlled and protective environment after several more months of rest and rehab wouldn't be better?


I don't know much about the Nats organization but I would wager that having the MLB staff monitoring the situation would be for the best rather than whatever minor league manager they dispatch to Arizona. MLB conditions on the mound, in the bullpen, in the clubhouse, etc...

Now in fairness it's not like the AFL is being played on a vacant parking lot in gang territory but I don't think the AFL is necessarily better or worse. If all things are equal, getting the extra gate, concessions, parking doesn't hurt.

This all assumes of course that he is ready to go. Obviously the Nats should be cautious in their handling of this guy.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:43 PM (#3892938)
What a hypocritical loudmouth.


This doesn't make him hypocritical, it makes him inconsistent.
   16. Millon deFloss Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:49 PM (#3892942)
It's the same path they followed with Jordan Zimmermann, and it seems to be working just fine.
   17. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:50 PM (#3892943)
My recollection is that pitchers coming back from Tommy John often have some control issues their first few games back. If that's true and soemthing that can be overcome with a 3-4 start stint in September rather than in April, 2012 that has value for the Nationals.

I'm no expert, but I doubt that the control problems are specifically tied to the first X MLB regular season games. It has to do with the stage of recovery.

In response to the other points here, the thing is that they're not going to examine him one day and say "OK, the arm's healed, go to DC and you're pitching tonight." He'll have some throwing first, then some rehab starts in the minors. If he gets to that point, let's say 3 rehab starts in AAA, then there's no real harm in getting him to the majors after that.
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:55 PM (#3892947)
So they get 2,000 extra $5 ticket sold?

For Strasmas II? They'll do a lot better than that. Sell-out or close thereto.

However, ticket sales probably aren't the primary motivation. The Nationals & Strasburg believe they should get him in a game when he's ready so that they don't spend the offseason wondering how he'll do.
   19. McCoy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:57 PM (#3892949)
Francisco Liriano when he came back from Tommy John surgery in 2008 pitched in front of 22,000+ fans in his home debut.
   20. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 04, 2011 at 09:01 PM (#3892952)
What a hypocritical loudmouth.

This doesn't make him hypocritical, it makes him inconsistent.



No, it makes him an asshat with an axe to grind.
   21. McCoy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 09:02 PM (#3892955)

For Strasmas II? They'll do a lot better than that. Sell-out or close thereto.


The impact on ticket sales was greatly exaggerated last year. He sold tickets but he couldn't come close to selling out a stadium by his lonesome beyond his debut.
   22. Greg K Posted: August 04, 2011 at 09:12 PM (#3892960)
No, it makes him an asshat with an axe to grind.

Fun fact: We all know Benjamin Franklin coined the phrase "axe to grind" with his story of how his father had an excellent grinder, and so whenever someone was overly friendly with young Bennie he knew that the fellow "had an axe to grind", but did you know that he also was the first to describe someone as an "asshat"?

In a letter to his illegitmate son William, Mr. Franklin recounted his run-in with the local butcher:
"harke, thou dissemlbing asshat, hande unto me the capon lest I give thee the stabbe!"
   23. bfan Posted: August 04, 2011 at 09:13 PM (#3892962)
Heck, the Nats are already on their yearly, Redskins-stoked slide to oblivion,


I guess D.C. fans need to hurry up and see Redskins games in September and October, because they are out of contention after that.
   24. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 04, 2011 at 10:18 PM (#3892996)
harke, thou dissemlbing asshat, hande unto me the capon lest I give thee the stabbe!"


I'm pretty sure that Ben also was quoted as saying

"he who weareth his ass for a hat, will often prosper, nay, dominate, the field of sports babbelry, for many who loveth sports also loveth the babblings of morans"
   25. Brian Posted: August 05, 2011 at 06:15 PM (#3893471)
Is it possible to have hosts on the MLB Radio Network whoo don't suck? I find Dibble, Bowden and Ensberg too be almost unlistenable. Are we just the wrong consumer group to abide the people they hire or do they in fact just suck?
   26. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: August 05, 2011 at 06:34 PM (#3893489)
I like to think of myself as open-minded, but it continues to amaze me that ANYONE could listen to Dibble for more than 10 minutes without changing the station or driving their car off a bridge.
On the other hand, I like listening to Bowden but I can understand why someone wouldn't, just a matter of taste.
But, you don't like Ensberg? I don't think he's particularly interesting or insightful, but I don't find him particularly annoying or unlistenable.

I do think they are marketing to a very different type of listener than who you find here; specifically, they are marketing to baseball fans who don't know much about baseball.

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