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Friday, February 01, 2013
I don’t know how often I can discuss one incident ~STEROIDS OMG!!!~ in my entire life, but I’ll continue to do that.
When it comes to the topic of not allowing certain major league baseball players into Cooperstown, the Goose is happy to let loose.
“We’ve got a bunch of cheaters that are up for the Hall of Fame,’’ offered Rich ‘Goose’ Gossage, who was himself inducted into the hallowed hall in 2008. “Absolutely not. I’ve taken a stand on that. I’ve said the pressures of taking steroids are tremendous. If you have two kids with the same talent level, one on steroids and one not on steroids, you have two different animals. I wish these guys who are lying would come clean. Roger Clemens was found innocent but so was O.J. and he killed two people. Stop lying and quit dragging baseball through the mud.
“I liken it to what they’ve done to Lance Armstrong, stripped him of his seven Tour de Frances. I would like to see them re-instate those great records that were broken and not recognize what these guys have done with these tainted records.’’
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Posted: February 01, 2013 at 06:55 AM | 29 comment(s)
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1. Ray (RDP)But it's not about records and boyhood heros.
But OJ is in the Hall of Fame!
The counter argument to that is OJ was in the Hall of Fame before he murdered those two people.
However, the counter argument to that counter argument is Ray Lewis. Whatever one may think about Lewis' involvement in those murders, there is no doubt the NFL Hall of Fame committee will only consider his on field performance. They have made a conscious decision to ignore any off field behavior. NFL also gives a much bigger boost to HoF chances for those with post season success particularly for QB's who win the games all by themselves.
Well, to be fair, with aging ball players, you also need to factor in the jealousy factor. Old warriors don't like being reminded that they're not the young warriors they used to be and need chemical assistance to get it up any more.
I'm also in favor of not allowing certain players into the Hall of Fame. I'm sorry, but that's just how I was raised.
The counter argument to that is OJ was in the Hall of Fame before he murdered those two people.
However, the counter argument to that counter argument is Ray Lewis. Whatever one may think about Lewis' involvement in those murders, there is no doubt the NFL Hall of Fame committee will only consider his on field performance. They have made a conscious decision to ignore any off field behavior.
Are you equating the Lewis case with OJ's? And do you seriously think that if OJ's crime had occurred before the Hall of Fame vote, that he would've been voted in anyway, regardless of any guidelines?
No ... it's not. It's about noting baseball's deficiency in not having an infrastructure in place to deal with the impact of roids on the historical record, as numerous other sports have.
Gossage is merely taking note of baseball's position as an outlier in this area.
It's actually not banned. Exceptions are contemplated by MLB, and dozens of players have taken advantage of the exceptions and play under the influence of greenies.
What other sports, precisely?
Forgive me if this has been answered in one of the numerous other steroid threads, but what exactly is the impact of roids on the historical record?
SugarBear's childhood heroes no longer hold his beloved records.
Gretzky still holds some records, but other than that, I doubt if any major records in any major sport are held by the people that held them in my childhood.
Yet I recognize as legitimate all the current recordholders. Go figure.
Easily the most ironic sub-heading I've seen here yet.
The Onion already addressed the issue.
People have already telegraphed this argument. What Gaylord did was gamesmanship, not cheating. And hey, an umpire could have detected it on the field.
What did Perry's contemporaries say about it and what did the HOF voters say about it (noting that Perry wasn't the voters' "boyhood hero" any more than Bonds/Clemens/McGwire/Sosa are the "boyhood heroes" of today's voters)?
What's funny is that Clemens et al were minding their own business and had no intention of disclosing what they were or were not doing to the public. Clemens became a focal point only after Bud Selig told George Mitchell to drag baseball through the mud.
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