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Friday, February 01, 2013

Goose Gossage doesn’t mince words when it comes to cheating in baseball

I don’t know how often I can discuss one incident ~STEROIDS OMG!!!~ in my entire life, but I’ll continue to do that.

When it comes to the topic of not allowing certain major league baseball players into Cooperstown, the Goose is happy to let loose.

“We’ve got a bunch of cheaters that are up for the Hall of Fame,’’ offered Rich ‘Goose’ Gossage, who was himself inducted into the hallowed hall in 2008. “Absolutely not. I’ve taken a stand on that. I’ve said the pressures of taking steroids are tremendous. If you have two kids with the same talent level, one on steroids and one not on steroids, you have two different animals. I wish these guys who are lying would come clean. Roger Clemens was found innocent but so was O.J. and he killed two people. Stop lying and quit dragging baseball through the mud.

“I liken it to what they’ve done to Lance Armstrong, stripped him of his seven Tour de Frances. I would like to see them re-instate those great records that were broken and not recognize what these guys have done with these tainted records.’’

Repoz Posted: February 01, 2013 at 05:55 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 08:29 AM (#4359854)
“I liken it to what they’ve done to Lance Armstrong, stripped him of his seven Tour de Frances. I would like to see them re-instate those great records that were broken and not recognize what these guys have done with these tainted records.’’


But it's not about records and boyhood heros.
   2. John Northey Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:05 AM (#4359864)
Of course, Aaron also had a late career kick and most likely used a substance that is banned now too, and without it he probably would've come up short. So give the record back to Babe Ruth, unless we find some dirt on him then ... hrm ... who would it go to? Mays has the same issue as Aaron, Griffey Jr maybe but he played during the PED era so he is guilty by association as are guys who played from the 60's to today so we're back to Ruth's era and I bet with enough effort we could get them into trouble too. So the record goes to nobody! They are all guilty.
   3. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:14 AM (#4359870)
My g-d he's annoying.
   4. BDC Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:37 AM (#4359884)
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a" WHAM
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:48 AM (#4359891)
Roger Clemens was found innocent but so was O.J. and he killed two people.


But OJ is in the Hall of Fame!
   6. LargeBill Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4359898)
5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:48 AM (#4359891)

Roger Clemens was found innocent but so was O.J. and he killed two people.



But OJ is in the Hall of Fame!


The counter argument to that is OJ was in the Hall of Fame before he murdered those two people.

However, the counter argument to that counter argument is Ray Lewis. Whatever one may think about Lewis' involvement in those murders, there is no doubt the NFL Hall of Fame committee will only consider his on field performance. They have made a conscious decision to ignore any off field behavior. NFL also gives a much bigger boost to HoF chances for those with post season success particularly for QB's who win the games all by themselves.
   7. JJ1986 Posted: February 01, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4359899)
OJ is guilty so anyone who was ever found "not guilty" also is.
   8. Rickey! scores own goals all the time Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:04 AM (#4359906)
But it's not about records and boyhood heros.


Well, to be fair, with aging ball players, you also need to factor in the jealousy factor. Old warriors don't like being reminded that they're not the young warriors they used to be and need chemical assistance to get it up any more.
   9. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:09 AM (#4359909)
When it comes to the topic of not allowing certain major league baseball players into Cooperstown, the Goose is happy to let loose.


I'm also in favor of not allowing certain players into the Hall of Fame. I'm sorry, but that's just how I was raised.
   10. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4359920)
But OJ is in the Hall of Fame!


The counter argument to that is OJ was in the Hall of Fame before he murdered those two people.

However, the counter argument to that counter argument is Ray Lewis. Whatever one may think about Lewis' involvement in those murders, there is no doubt the NFL Hall of Fame committee will only consider his on field performance. They have made a conscious decision to ignore any off field behavior.


Are you equating the Lewis case with OJ's? And do you seriously think that if OJ's crime had occurred before the Hall of Fame vote, that he would've been voted in anyway, regardless of any guidelines?
   11. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4359927)
But it's not about records and boyhood heros.

No ... it's not. It's about noting baseball's deficiency in not having an infrastructure in place to deal with the impact of roids on the historical record, as numerous other sports have.

Gossage is merely taking note of baseball's position as an outlier in this area.
   12. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4359929)
Of course, Aaron also had a late career kick and most likely used a substance that is banned now too,

It's actually not banned. Exceptions are contemplated by MLB, and dozens of players have taken advantage of the exceptions and play under the influence of greenies.
   13. Rickey! scores own goals all the time Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4359932)
No ... it's not. It's about noting baseball's deficiency in not having an infrastructure in place to deal with the impact of roids on the historical record, as numerous other sports have.


What other sports, precisely?
   14. JJ1986 Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:53 AM (#4359934)
You have to get an exception because it's banned.
   15. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:56 AM (#4359936)
Of course, Aaron also had a late career kick and most likely used a substance that is banned now too,

It's actually not banned. Exceptions are contemplated by MLB
Even for SBB, that is spectacularly dumb.
   16. Ron J2 Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:58 AM (#4359939)
#2 I believe the consensus answer in rsb was Harmon Killebrew.
   17. Poulanc Posted: February 01, 2013 at 10:58 AM (#4359940)
to deal with the impact of roids on the historical record


Forgive me if this has been answered in one of the numerous other steroid threads, but what exactly is the impact of roids on the historical record?
   18. Rickey! scores own goals all the time Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:22 AM (#4359958)
Forgive me if this has been answered in one of the numerous other steroid threads, but what exactly is the impact of roids on the historical record?


SugarBear's childhood heroes no longer hold his beloved records.
   19. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:39 AM (#4359979)
SugarBear's childhood heroes no longer hold his beloved records.

Gretzky still holds some records, but other than that, I doubt if any major records in any major sport are held by the people that held them in my childhood.

Yet I recognize as legitimate all the current recordholders. Go figure.
   20. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: February 01, 2013 at 11:58 AM (#4360002)
Pud Galvin held the career wins record when you were a child?
   21. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:26 PM (#4360031)
Infielder gloves are a performance enhancer. I do not recognize any artificial numbers from the "shod hand era."
   22. Charlie O Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4360042)
I'm waiting for the Gaylord Perry interview. I want to know where he stands on the induction of cheaters to the Hall of Fame.
   23. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: February 01, 2013 at 01:05 PM (#4360066)
I don’t know how often I can discuss one incident ~STEROIDS OMG!!!~ in my entire life, but I’ll continue to do that.

Easily the most ironic sub-heading I've seen here yet.
   24. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 01, 2013 at 01:17 PM (#4360071)
Gonfalon #21 is an example of why you are my favorite poster on this site. Primey plus!
   25. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 01, 2013 at 01:33 PM (#4360096)
#2 I believe the consensus answer in rsb was Harmon Killebrew.


The Onion already addressed the issue.
   26. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4360319)
I'm waiting for the Gaylord Perry interview. I want to know where he stands on the induction of cheaters to the Hall of Fame.


People have already telegraphed this argument. What Gaylord did was gamesmanship, not cheating. And hey, an umpire could have detected it on the field.
   27. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4360324)
People have already telegraphed this argument. What Gaylord did was gamesmanship, not cheating. And hey, an umpire could have detected it on the field.

What did Perry's contemporaries say about it and what did the HOF voters say about it (noting that Perry wasn't the voters' "boyhood hero" any more than Bonds/Clemens/McGwire/Sosa are the "boyhood heroes" of today's voters)?
   28. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4360353)
Roger Clemens was found innocent but so was O.J. and he killed two people. Stop lying and quit dragging baseball through the mud.


What's funny is that Clemens et al were minding their own business and had no intention of disclosing what they were or were not doing to the public. Clemens became a focal point only after Bud Selig told George Mitchell to drag baseball through the mud.
   29. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 01, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4360358)
So why didn't the voters who elected Perry and the pill poppers "protect" their "boyhood heroes" the way today's HOF voters allegedly are? I mean, you'd have never caught Lou Gehrig, or Matty, or George Sisler popping uppers and growing their hair out and agitating like those 70s guys, would you?

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