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Monday, October 24, 2011

Grange: Blue Jays: No more Mr. Nice Guy

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You can’t have John Farrell!(?)!

If the Boston Red Sox are serious about making a run at John Farrell, the Blue Jays should tell them the bidding begins at a couple of buckets of KFC, a case of Rolling Rock and the latest version of Call of Duty. Then general manager Alex Anthopoulos should get all Clint Eastwood over the phone and tell the Red Sox: “You obnoxious, sun-shines-out-of-your-behinds New England clam chowders. Go stuff yourself.”

Finally, come April 9th, 2012, the first time the Blue Jays play the Red Sox, Ricky Romero or whoever is pitching that day should plant one in Carl Crawford’s ribs. In short, it’s time for Alex Anthopoulos and the Blue Jays to grow some. For those unaware, the imploding Red Sox, not content with throwing up all over their shoes down the stretch in the regular season, seem intent on blowing the fingers off anyone who comes near them in the aftermath.

...And just to be clear: The Blue Jays should tell the Red Sox to go to hell, whether Farrell wants to go back to Boston or not. No amount of compensation is the right amount. The Jays can’t be seen to be in the business of throwing lifelines that their rivals are going to hang them with. The organization under Anthopoulos has done a great job marketing hope. Blue Jays fans haven’t seen a meaningful game of baseball played in Toronto since 1993…

...But at some point playing with the big boys means not playing nicely all the time. At some point Blue Jays fans will want to be assured that someone besides Brett Lawrie has a pulse.

Repoz Posted: October 24, 2011 at 09:25 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: blue jays, red sox

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   1. Greg (U)K Posted: October 24, 2011 at 10:31 AM (#3973054)
Geez, I agree that if I'm the Jays I'd hang on to Farrell unless they offer something insane, but a simple "no thanks, we like our manager just fine" would suffice.

And if you're going to hit Carl Crawford (without a doubt the mastermind behind this attempted Farrell-theft) I'd use Morrow. He throws harder and isn't nearly as good as Romero.
   2. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: October 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM (#3973058)
but a simple "no thanks, we like our manager just fine" would suffice.

You are more Canadian than wrongly shaped bacon!
   3. OCD SS Posted: October 24, 2011 at 11:16 AM (#3973059)
Apparently as a matter of company policy the Blue Jays require neither permission to talk to or compensation for hiring away one of their employees:

Link

I will refrain from making any jokes about Canada here.
   4. Greg (U)K Posted: October 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM (#3973060)

I will refrain from making any jokes about Canada here.

Hey, it's better than the other thread where you guys are invading us and installing a puppet government!

Apparently as a matter of company policy the Blue Jays require neither permission to talk to or compensation for hiring away one of their employees:

That's for a step up though (LaCava to go from assistant GM in Toronto to a GM job elsewhere). I was under the impression that was standard practice for MLB teams, though I admit it's not like I've actually looked into it.

I imagine Farrell's case is different.
   5. OCD SS Posted: October 24, 2011 at 12:24 PM (#3973074)
Hey, it's better than the other thread where you guys are invading us and installing a puppet government!


All your natural resources are belong to us.

I was under the impression that was standard practice for MLB teams, though I admit it's not like I've actually looked into it.


It depends. The Yankees make a habit of denying permission for their employees to interview with anyone else. As for whether or not the Jay's policy would apply to a lateral move, this is just the only info I've seen published. It sure doesn't sound like Anthopoulis leaves much room for equivocation, but maybe this is where Canada draws its line through the trees.
   6. Dale Sams Posted: October 24, 2011 at 12:46 PM (#3973084)
At some point Blue Jays fans will want to be assured that someone besides Brett Lawrie has a pulse.



Speaking of which...what's it going to take to get him and Joey Bats? I think Reddick and Middlebrooks should get er done. Lawrie is going to be looking for the type of contract the Jays can't afford in 6 years.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 24, 2011 at 02:18 PM (#3973138)
If Farrell isn't available or interested, the Giants Director of Player Development, Fred Stanley, might make a good Red Sox managerial candidate.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: October 24, 2011 at 02:25 PM (#3973146)
If Farrell isn't available or interested, the Giants Director of Player Development, Fred Stanley, might make a good Red Sox managerial candidate.


Nah, we can go homegrown with either Wade Boggs, Oil Can Boyd or, I don't know, Lou Merloni (he was white enough and untalented enough that he was probably described as a "gamer" a time or two).
   9. JJ1986 Posted: October 24, 2011 at 02:35 PM (#3973155)
I read the title and thought this article was going to about how the Jays were planning on signing Prince Fielder and Yu Darvish.
   10. JJ1986 Posted: October 24, 2011 at 02:38 PM (#3973158)
The Yankees make a habit of denying permission for their employees to interview with anyone else.


Didn't Damon Oppenheimer just interview for the Angels job?
   11. Greg (U)K Posted: October 24, 2011 at 04:22 PM (#3973232)
Lou Merloni (he was white enough and untalented enough that he was probably described as a "gamer" a time or two).

Lou Merloni is white?

Weird, I must be confusing him with someone else.

EDIT: by the way, why is that the further back in time it goes the more pictures of players baseball-reference has. There are no 21st century players pictured as far as I can tell. Is that a copyright issue?
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: October 24, 2011 at 04:50 PM (#3973261)
I agree with the main thrust of the column, but it does seem oblivious to not mention that Farrell was a resource that the Jays snagged from the Sox last year. I understand the difference between lateral and upward moves, but its weird to basically ignore last year's talent-poaching when writing about the same guy and the same two teams.
   13. vern_fuller_brushback Posted: October 25, 2011 at 12:39 PM (#3974672)
Weird, I must be confusing him with someone else.

I'm feeling lucky today - due to my Rangers' good fortune last night(?) - you're thinking of Donnie Sadler right?
   14. Mattbert Posted: October 25, 2011 at 12:49 PM (#3974683)
Troy O'Leary perhaps? He's in the Reggie Cleveland HoF for sure.
   15. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 25, 2011 at 12:57 PM (#3974690)
by the way, why is that the further back in time it goes the more pictures of players baseball-reference has. There are no 21st century players pictured as far as I can tell. Is that a copyright issue?


Sean's post about the pictures. Yes, it's a copyright issue, money quote;

Due to copyright concerns for more recent photos, we are currently only showing photos for pre-1960 debuts. This represents thousands of photos.


I've always assumed that there was some kind of issue with the MLBPA.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 25, 2011 at 01:07 PM (#3974699)
Troy O'Leary perhaps? He's in the Reggie Cleveland HoF for sure.

When Troy O'Leary and Darren Bragg were both on the Red Sox, it was very confusing.

I think Khalil Green has to be the all-time winner in this category, though.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 25, 2011 at 07:24 PM (#3975168)
Looks like Toronto no longer allows lateral moves. Maybe if there was enough compensation?

Edit: Trying link again.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: October 25, 2011 at 07:37 PM (#3975181)
Looks like Toronto no longer allows lateral moves. Maybe if there was enough compensation?


the column worked!
   19. Ebessan Posted: October 25, 2011 at 07:59 PM (#3975206)
A white guy who seemingly could have been black: Kason Gabbard.

A black guy who seemingly could have been white: Bryan Engelhardt.
   20. AROM Posted: October 25, 2011 at 08:11 PM (#3975221)
Troy O'Leary perhaps? He's in the Reggie Cleveland HoF for sure.


Michael Saunders was one for me. For some reason, looking at his stats in the minors, I pictured a short, compact black guy with the build of an NFL running back. I did not expect a tall skinny white guy.

How about my fantasy football RB's - McFadden and McCoy? A pair of fine Irish lads for sure.
   21. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: October 26, 2011 at 09:45 PM (#3976334)
A black guy who seemingly could have been white: Bryan Engelhardt.

That beats out my previous favorite, University of Nevada basketball star Kirk Snyder.

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