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Wednesday, July 04, 2012

Granillo: Tater Trot Tracker: Hanley Ramirez Breaks the 30-second Barrier

Woo-eee! More fun than PHD Comics explaining The Higgs Boson!

Ramirez watched the flight of the ball from home plate with his typical panache as it took roughly 6.24 seconds to finally clear the fence. On May 26, when Bryce Harper set the pace with the quickest trot of the year, he touched second base in 8.21 seconds. On Sunday, Ramirez touched first base at nine seconds, well on his way to a typically slow 26-27 second trot. Sunday’s trot was anything but typical, however. Whereas most trotters will maintain some kind of reasonable speed once they get going, Ramirez did no such thing. At 17 seconds, he was a few steps past second base (more than 30 trots in 2012 have been completed in the 17-second range). At 22 seconds—the length of an average major league tater trot—Ramirez finally rounded third, setting the pace for a 28-29 second trot.

But he didn’t stop there. No, he waited until he was just about home before he did that, dropping from the slow “Hanley jog” we all know so well into a straight-up walk. When he finally took his third and final step onto home plate, 30.3 seconds had elapsed on his tater trot. It’s the first non-injury related half-minute trot since David Ortiz managed a 30.59 second trot on May 24, 2010, and only the second one ever recorded by the Tater Trot Tracker. Like Ortiz, Ramirez has never been known as a speedy trotter, but it took something special for each to break the barrier. For Papi, it was avoiding an umpire on a ball down the line. For Hanley, it was pent-up energy from a month-long build-up of no home runs.

In either case, breaking the 30-second barrier was much more thrilling than it had any right to be. I can’t wait for the next one.

 

Repoz Posted: July 04, 2012 at 10:53 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: July 04, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4172992)
This is why baseball is so great-- someone keeps track of this sort of thing.
   2. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 04, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4173029)
when Bryce Harper set the pace with the quickest trot of the year

I know this has been said before, but I'm stunned at how Harper has turned out. With all of the published stories about Harper I was all ready to hate the guy. But, as far as I can tell, he has done literally everything right. He gives the right quotes, he plays the game the right way, he appears based on this excerpt to not dawdle on his home runs.

So were the stories wrong? Did he watch Bull Durham and take the speech to heart and is fooling everyone? Were the articles focusing on the wrong things?
   3. tjm1 Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4173061)
So were the stories wrong? Did he watch Bull Durham and take the speech to heart and is fooling everyone? Were the articles focusing on the wrong things?


I think it's a very similar situation to Varitek's. Remember, everyone wanted to hate Varitek because Scott Boras had gotten him to go to the point of signing with the St Paul Saints to try to get a huge bonus or be declared a free agent. Harper pulled some tricks in getting a GED and playing Juco ball in order to get into the system a year earlier than he would have otherwise. On the other hand, they're both hard-nosed, smart ballplayers. People have sort of projected their dislike of Boras' tactics onto these guys because they were the players involved in some of the more extreme cases. JD Drew is another one, but because Drew got hurt so much and never showed emotion on the field, he never shook that reputation.
   4. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4173067)
People have sort of projected their dislike of Boras' tactics onto these guys because they were the players involved in some of the more extreme cases. JD Drew is another one, but because Drew got hurt so much and never showed emotion on the field, he never shook that reputation.
With Harper, did anyone really blame him for maneuvering to play against better competition? I think most of the reason people were ready to hate him was the reports of cockiness -- blowing a kiss at the pitcher and whatnot.

Whether he switched gears on his own or with some encouragement I don't know, but I agree he's been basically beyond reproach. (And I say this as someone who doesn't mind a little cockiness.)
   5. MM1f Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4173070)
I don't think post #3 is at all right. As Benji Gil Gamesh says, no one really faulted Harper for trying to get into pro ball ASAP. Jeremy Bonderman did the same thing (kinda sorta), and no one slammed him.

Harper was legitimately a d-bag (and I don't mean that as a total slam, some of what he did was pretty hilarious) in JUCO ball, but I think he was bright enough to realize that you can do certain ridiculous things when you're dominating at some community college in Las Vegas that you can't do once you're a pro. As soon as he became a pro, he started acting like one.
   6. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4173071)
I think it's a very similar situation to Varitek's. Remember, everyone wanted to hate Varitek because Scott Boras had gotten him to go to the point of signing with the St Paul Saints to try to get a huge bonus or be declared a free agent.

Wow, I had never heard about that before. And yet with J.D. Drew, the same situation is one of the first things that comes to mind. Presumably because he actually played for the St Paul Saints.
   7. MM1f Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4173074)
The huge difference between the JD Drew/Veritek situations and the Bryce Harper thing is that the Veritek/Drew not signing and playing indy ball route gives people a chance to say "Well, he obviously doesn't want to play pro ball that badly." The Harper situation is the 100% opposite of that. No one blasts a kid for going out of his way to play pro ball earlier.
   8. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4173076)
Wow, I had never heard about that before. And yet with J.D. Drew, the same situation is one of the first things that comes to mind. Presumably because he actually played for the St Paul Saints.


I think the primary difference between them was Boras used the Saints as the bridge between the team that drafted Drew (and whose fans never forgot him for it) and the team that drafted and signed him the following year. But Tek ended up signing with the team that drafted him (the M's) after the dalliance with the Saints, and generally fans are pretty quick to forget whatever goes on in negotiations once the guy has signed with the hometown club.
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4173080)
So were the stories wrong? Did he watch Bull Durham and take the speech to heart and is fooling everyone? Were the articles focusing on the wrong things?

These are clown questions, bro.
   10. tjm1 Posted: July 04, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4173083)
Harper was legitimately a d-bag (and I don't mean that as a total slam, some of what he did was pretty hilarious) in JUCO ball, but I think he was bright enough to realize that you can do certain ridiculous things when you're dominating at some community college in Las Vegas that you can't do once you're a pro. As soon as he became a pro, he started acting like one.


Maybe, but apparently Griffey and Bonds did this sort of stuff in high school all the time. Griffey was well-liked. Bonds wasn't, but for other reasons.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 04, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4173124)
The anti-Harpere articles were mostly making mountains out of mole hills without even mentioning how much of a target he had on his back coming through the minors. The kid is all right.
   12. Bob Meta-Meusel Posted: July 04, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4173226)
Ir also might still be a little bit early to come to a judgment Yes, he's done everything right so far. On the other hand, I remember a whole lot of articles and stories from '84-5 about how mature and level headed Dwight Gooden was.
   13. Monty Posted: July 04, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4173293)
Ir also might still be a little bit early to come to a judgment Yes, he's done everything right so far. On the other hand, I remember a whole lot of articles and stories from '84-5 about how mature and level headed Dwight Gooden was.


That's still better than the advance news, which was "Bryce Harper is the world's biggest jackass." Even when he was actually playing, there were a couple months where every article had to include some mention of the attitude problems which he was rumored to have. If he's moved the needle to "wait and see" it's pretty good work for four months in the bigs.

And I don't remember Dwight Gooden every saying something on the level of Harper encouraging people to vote for Chipper Jones instead of himself. Regardless of whether that was sincere, it was exactly the right sort of thing to say.
   14. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 05, 2012 at 12:06 AM (#4173322)
But, as far as I can tell, he has done literally everything right.

See, now that's a reason to hate the bastard! No one is perfect. Mr. perfect with his perfect swing and perfectly quick home run trot, those perfect quotes and recently offering his potential place on the All-star team to a future HOFer. What a total #########...mr. perfect, my arse!
   15. Bob Evans Posted: July 05, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4173327)
What a total #########...mr. perfect, my arse!

Clearly a Steve Garvey fan.
   16. YR Misses Reggie Bars Posted: July 05, 2012 at 12:21 AM (#4173330)
Maybe even a Curt Hennig fan.
   17. Benji Posted: July 05, 2012 at 01:28 AM (#4173353)
Utley sprinted out his homer today. Almost caught Pierre.
   18. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: July 05, 2012 at 03:52 AM (#4173364)
Maybe even a Curt Hennig fan.

Has Harper ever spit out his gum and swatted it into the stands?
   19. Russ Posted: July 05, 2012 at 06:37 AM (#4173368)
I also think you cannot underestimate the potential for emotional change from ages 17 to 20. The guy went from a sophomore in high school to a junior college to the minor leagues to the majors. That's a lot of growing up in 3 years.

   20. Chris Needham Posted: July 05, 2012 at 08:49 AM (#4173394)
I don't know if this ever got posted here, but the Nats WaPo beat writer wrote a pretty solid feature on Harper... more of a day-in-the-life kind of thing. It's worth a quick read.
   21. salajander Posted: July 05, 2012 at 10:15 AM (#4173431)
I watched the video of Hanley's trot and it didn't seem that slow, but maybe compared to Harper's sprint it'd be like this speed comparison.
   22. michaelplank Posted: July 05, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4173588)
These are clown questions, bro.


Saw a guy yesterday with a (homemade?) Nationals jersey that said "That's a clown question, bro" in big block letters on the front... presumably "Harper" on the back. This is in Central PA, which although home to a Nats minor league team, is usually Phils/O's territory. (Pirates too, if they were any good.) A folk hero is being born.
   23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 05, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4173595)

These are clown questions, bro.

I like Harper about as much as a fan of another team in the division can, but I don't understand why that was viewed as the greatest response in the history of post-game interviews.
   24. Davo Mastroianni Posted: July 05, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4173729)
I like Harper about as much as a fan of another team in the division can, but I don't understand why that was viewed as the greatest response in the history of post-game interviews.


You quite cleverly phrased this to avoid actually asking a question. Smart move.

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