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Wednesday, March 05, 2014

Grant: Five things I think I think about Ian Kinsler going scorched earth on Texas Rangers

If there is a point to [Ian] Kinsler’s rant worth noting, I think it is that [Jon] Daniels and his staff got a little too close to players early on in his tenure as a GM. Mistake of youth. Daniels was in his late 20s and an age-contemporary of many of these guys and made them feel more like partners than employees. Baseball players are still employees and as you get more experience in a management role, you realize that you have to keep your distance more from players. Hopefully Daniels and staff have recognized that. It happened with Michael Young – since patched up. And it has happened again with Kinsler…

Speaking of Michael Young, I think it’s worth pointing out that for all the alleged sleaziness, the Rangers treated Kinsler with kid gloves on position switches. On Young’s two position switches, the Rangers once simply informed him of his new role. On the other, they may have worked around his desires to get Adrian Beltre, even if that meant then trying to deal Young. With Kinsler: The Rangers asked him if he’d consider moving to first for the team. Kinsler accepted. Then rescinded. And the Rangers allowed him to go back to second…

I think it’s entirely appropriate for Kinsler to be upset about the way he found out about the deal. You hate to hear it through media, via text or from somebody else without actually hearing from your boss first. This is an unfortunate and kind of sickening byproduct of the journalism of the moment in which rumors are fine to print without confirmation. We’re all guilty of it, myself included. But we live in a society where immediacy seems to be all that matters.

The District Attorney Posted: March 05, 2014 at 11:37 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: ian kinsler, michael young, rangers

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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 05, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4666717)
IIRC, Kinsler was very self-absorbed (admitting this himself) at Arizona State and threw a fit when Dustin Pedroia started over him, which led to his transfer to Mizzou. Sometimes leopards don't change their spots.
   2. eric Posted: March 05, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4666748)
To be fair, a college player with pro aspirations really wants/has to start. It's not necessarily self-absorption pulling a move like that, it just might be a necessary business move. FWIW, I liked Kinsler's comments. Honesty is refreshing. A high percentage of guys changing teams probably don't like some former executive or teammate for some personal reason. The only difference between them and Kinsler is Kinsler is honest.
   3. Publius Publicola Posted: March 05, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4666751)
Another Civil War thread!
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: March 05, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4666771)
I thought the only bridge he really burned was with Daniels... He said he'll miss his friends and even included Beltre on the list of people he'll miss.
   5. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: March 05, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4666775)
It seems odd that this would be the first time I've heard that Kinsler s some sort of borderline sociopath, despite the fact that he's been a superstarish player for years. Kinsler seemed like he was really well-like by his teammates, offered to switch positions for the team, and I think tried to help Hamilton quite a bit when he almost relapsed. I wonder if Fraley is still miffed at not getting his questions answered at a charity event.
   6. Baldrick Posted: March 05, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4666784)
I don't object to him speaking his mind. I'm glad he did and I wish more players did. I just object to his mind having stupid things to say.
   7. BDC Posted: March 05, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4666793)
offered to switch positions for the team

Do you mean when he first came up? (Kinsler was a AAA shortstop.) He vetoed any move to 1B over the past couple of years, one reason Grant correctly analyzes the trade for Fielder as making some baseball (if not necessarily economic) sense.

But I agree, all reports have always been that Kinsler was a good guy. There's some sour grapes on both sides (Kinsler and media) here.

Kinsler has only played two ML innings not at second base. I was at the game (9/12/12) where he did move to 3B and Profar came in at 2B (funky situation, Beltre had been hurt IIRC and then maybe Mike Olt hurt as well). Looked bizarre.
   8. The Good Face Posted: March 05, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4666808)
It seems odd that this would be the first time I've heard that Kinsler s some sort of borderline sociopath, despite the fact that he's been a superstarish player for years. Kinsler seemed like he was really well-like by his teammates, offered to switch positions for the team, and I think tried to help Hamilton quite a bit when he almost relapsed.


I don't think he's ever been some kind of borderline sociopath. Just that he's kind of a prickly guy who doesn't fit into one of the approved sportswriter archetypes; serious, respected leader of men (Michael Young), cheerful, happy-go-lucky jokester, (Elvis Andrus), big, dumb jock (Josh Hamilton) etc.

I don't expect Detroit will have any problems with Kinsler; he's not really a media whore and is generally content to play hard and be left alone.
   9. What's the realistic upside, RMc? Posted: March 05, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4666812)
June 24th, kids. Mark your calendars!
   10. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 05, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4666813)
He confirms that they made a mistake in trusting him in a leadership role.
   11. The District Attorney Posted: March 05, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4666834)
I don't object to him speaking his mind. I'm glad he did and I wish more players did. I just object to his mind having stupid things to say.
Yeah, when you say things like...
They wanted me to lead these young players, teach them the way to compete, when the only thing I should be worried about is how I'm performing in the game
... I can simultaneously give you points for honesty and deduct points from you for, you know, being like that.
   12. JE (Jason) Posted: March 05, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4666891)
BREAKING: Vladimir Putin tells ESPN The Magazine in an upcoming edition that he's got friends in Ukraine but hopes the country goes 0-162.
   13. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 05, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4666927)
That joke was better the first two times I read it, Jason!

   14. Bourbon Samurai Posted: March 05, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4666944)
IIRC, Kinsler was very self-absorbed (admitting this himself) at Arizona State and threw a fit when Dustin Pedroia started over him, which led to his transfer to Mizzou. Sometimes leopards don't change their spots.


A college team had Ian Kinsler on the bench?

Or did they just want to move him off second.
   15. JE (Jason) Posted: March 05, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4666945)
So where's my Primey, Jim? I swear, sometimes I get more depressed than Dicaprio.
   16. Publius Publicola Posted: March 05, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4666973)
Evan Grant
Bill McClellan
Joel Sherman
Thomas Boswell
Bob Logan
Lee Allen
   17. Publius Publicola Posted: March 05, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4666974)
I swear, sometimes I get more depressed than Dicaprio.


Date a supermodel. That will pick you right up.
   18. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:22 PM (#4667012)
So where's my Primey, Jim? I swear, sometimes I get more depressed than Dicaprio.


I sent it over to the HuffPost offices, you'll just need to go in there to pick it up.
   19. Bug Selig Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:37 PM (#4667019)
A college team had Ian Kinsler on the bench?

Or did they just want to move him off second.


He and Pedroia were both shortstops at the time.
   20. vivaelpujols Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:48 PM (#4667023)
Who cares.
   21. DFA Posted: March 06, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4667077)
I wonder what Nolan Ryan thinks.
   22. base ball chick Posted: March 06, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4667180)
21. DFA Posted: March 06, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4667077)

I wonder what Nolan Ryan thinks.

- waaaal
i would guess that he thinks that since he went into dallas and overnight turned that team with no players and no prospects into pennant winners overnight, and they didn't win either WS ONLY because they didn't do exactly everything he dictated,
why now,
he's over with the OTHER texas team where he will tell his son the president and the owner snd the GM exactly what to do and suddenly, overnight, just because of his Presence that they will suddenly turn into pennant winners. and if they lose it will all because nobody obeyed his every exact whim. i mean order. i mean suggestion....
   23. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 06, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4667263)
How does what Nolan Ryan thinks affect Frank Tanana?

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