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Thursday, August 04, 2011
Boras then had those numbers printed out on crisp white paper and tucked inside blue binders. Each of them was stamped with silver foil: BARRY ZITO, FREE AGENT PRESENTATION. That binder eventually won Boras and Zito a seven-year, $126 million contract from the San Francisco Giants, then the largest ever for a pitcher. But on that afternoon it was a just a binder, science’s rigid attempt to define the abstract. Boras gave one of them to Zito, who took it back to his house in Hollywood. He put that binder on his kitchen counter and left it sitting out as a reminder of the things that he had done and the things that he would do.
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That binder destroyed Barry Zito.
Interesting article. I remember reading about Zito’s mind-over-matter philosophy when he was with Oakland, and always thought it was cool. I use positive thinking and visualization in my own life, but negative thinking and lack of self-confidence can be powerful things.
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1. Ephus Posted: August 04, 2011 at 09:49 PM (#3892980)I've always thought that Boras' presentation binders were done more to blow smoke up his clients' asses than actually get more money for them- from what I read the one he did for Damon really got some GMs amused....
What I found interesting about the article is that the author seems to indicate on one hand that Boras' computer projections were flawed because that is the nature of projections - but on the other he notes that Boras' presentations generally rely upon data mining...
Zito had been a very good pitcher through 2006, but he had not been an ELITE pitcher since about 2003- his age 28 BBREF comps were all good pitchers- but only 1 aged really well (Glavine) 4 were pretty decent and the rest pitched post 29, oh about like Zito has. The deal was not doomed to fail, but the actual results should not have been unexpected- it was the outcome you should expect about 40-50% of the time. He hasn't been terrible (at least not until this year) just not very good.
And what are the odds of that? 1 in 20? 1 in 100? 1 in a 1000?
Well his stuff didn't just fall out his open fly. An extreme loss of focus or confidence could result in losing stuff. Accumulated wear is probably a better explanation, though.
The reason I'm going on and on is that at the time there were two local radio jocks obsessed with Zito, who had for years cooked up absurd trade ideas and who solemnly declared that it was a huge mistake when the Mutts "let" the Giants sign him.
When Hampton signed his absurd deal with Colorado, his WAR for the preceding 3 years had been 14.3
When Brown signed his $100mm deal, his WAR for the preceding 3 years had been 22.3.
Zito was a good pitcher, not a great one, and the Giants simply grossly overpaid.
Slow clap.
It must have been the binder. After all, the Giants' front office is known for being won over by recondite statistical analyses.
-The confidence issue can't be dismissed. Zito's demeanor on the mound changed drastically from OAK to SF. The easy aplomb he displayed in OAK is gone. At times in SF he's looked downright scared.
-Yes, his stuff does appear lost, as Flynn says. He was never Aroldis Chapman but his velocity is noticably weaker. Is that due to physical breakdown? Obviously we don't know but it's not out of the question.
-One thing to remember as well is that Zito got a ton of pop-up outs in OAK's vast foul territory. He doesn't have that luxury in SF.
Also, "I was actually kind of aroused [upon first seeing the presentation]"? That's, um, an odd choice of words.
It does, though if you read interviews with Zito from his Oakland days it doesn't seem quite as far-fetched. He would go on and on about people like Ernest Holmes and how "positive visualization" was the most important factor to his success. So it's not too hard to see how a couple of bad years could trigger a complete psychological meltdown and lack of belief in himself.
Zito was around 84-86 his last few years in Oakland, too. The fall of Zito from really good pitcher to above average pitcher occurred when the league realized he couldn't throw his curveball for strikes. Before he would throw the curve, then follow it up with a high fastball, and everyone would swing at it for fear it was another curve. In 2002 that seems like all he did, over and over and over, he would get these incredibly awkward swings on high fastballs. Then hitters realized that since he couldn't control it, even if it was a curve it was probably going to be a ball, and if it was a fastball it was definitely going to be a ball, so they stopped swinging at everything high entirely. Add the velocity loss and suddenly he was getting by on smoke and mirrors. He always had bad FIPs - with the Giants, for whatever reason, his ERA finally caught up to them.
(Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm not aware of how FIP is calculated)
How did the Giants go from the team that signed Zito to the team that developed Cain, Lincecum, Sanchez, and Bumgarner?
This. This was a terrible ####### article. Terrible.
Zito was around 84-86 his last few years in Oakland, too. The fall of Zito from really good pitcher to above average pitcher occurred when the league realized he
couldn't throw his curveball for strikes. Before he would throw the curve, then follow it up with a high fastball, and everyone would swing at it for fear it was another curve.
I disagree. He got hitters to chase on the curveball, yes, but he also threw it for strikes fairly frequently. I remember Game 2 of the 2003 ALDS, and he got three called strike threes. He also got six swinging strikes, but they weren't curveballs in the dirt. They were strikes or just below the knees. It's not that hitters laid off his curveball, it's that his curveball absolutely became a worse pitch. He has a good hook about once a year now, and it's by no means the 11-5 monster he had in his years with the A's.
The dropoff was gradual. He didn't drop 4 MPH as soon as he switched leagues. Fangraphs has velocity data back to 2002.
2002 87.1
2003 86.9
2004 86.9
2005 87.3
2006 85.8
2007 84.5
2008 84.9
2009 86.5
2010 85.7
2011 84.0
Also interesting that his FIP and xFIP from his last 4 years with the A's is not much different than his first 4 years with the Giants.
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