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Monday, January 22, 2018

Grichuk to Jays for Leone

Haven’t seen this mentioned around here.

Walt Davis Posted: January 22, 2018 at 12:54 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: blue jays, cardlinals, dominic leone, randal grichuk

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   1. salvomania Posted: January 22, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5610894)
Gotta admit that Grichuk was a guy I always enjoyed seeing come up to the plate, even with his sub-.300 OBP and his 30% K rate, just for the chance so see him launch one of his screaming bombs.

Very athletic, good baserunner, and wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 40 homers with regular playing time.
   2. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: January 22, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5610898)
Leone's a nifty, live-armed reliever with several years of team control left -- but this still feels a bit light for Grichuk.

While the Jays have a fair number of OFers I'd think they'd want to get good, long looks at (Hernandez, Pompey, maybe even Smith - plus, Alford may be knocking on the door by mid-year), I suppose have Grichuk to cover whomever doesn't make it isn't a bad thing.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5610905)
Leone's a nifty, live-armed reliever with several years of team control left -- but this still feels a bit light for Grichuk.

Seems like it's need for need. Grichuk was the 4th OF in StL, and they needed bullpen help. Toronto need some stability in the OF.
   4. Rally Posted: January 22, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5611014)
Leone's a nifty, live-armed reliever with several years of team control left -- but this still feels a bit light for Grichuk.


Wasn’t a 1 for 1. Greene struggled in a starting role in AA last year, but has upper 90s velocity. He could wind up improving his command, or else move to the bullpen and contribute there.
   5. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: January 22, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5611035)
Bummer, it always felt like Grichuk was one PA away from breaking out.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: January 22, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5611157)
Seems like it's need for need. Grichuk was the 4th OF in StL, and they needed bullpen help. Toronto need some stability in the OF.


Grichuk was maybe the fourth outfielder for St Louis, but Bader and Martinez also need to be given playing time, and O'Neil is major league ready right now, so it made sense to jettison the guy who is hitting his arbitration years and had an off year last year.

I think Grichuk is a legit 3+ war major league player, but he is also very streaky (which can be said about a lot of hitters) and I'm happy with the get back that the Cardinals got back, and I think this is good for Grichuk also. He was unhappy with the Cardinals acquisition of Ozuna, so he was probably going to end up being a pain in the clubhouse anyway.
   7. salvomania Posted: January 22, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5611260)
Bummer, it always felt like Grichuk was one PA away from breaking out.

That's sort of what I also meant when I said I enjoyed seeing him come up to the plate... He had enough hot streaks that you could wishfully think that maybe he'd turned a corner...
   8. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 22, 2018 at 06:19 PM (#5611327)
Honestly think that Grichuk could be the next Jose Bautista, in terms of a guy who seemingly comes out of nowhere with a monster year. Good pickup by the Jays. Even if it doesn't work out, they didn't really give anything up to get him.
   9. greenback understands the nyt's effect on man Posted: January 22, 2018 at 06:45 PM (#5611333)
Grichuk has looked like Jeff Francoeur from the day he reached the majors. Maybe it takes a month for the AL East to figure out how badly Grichuk flails at outside sliders, but I am relieved somebody else gets to deal with the wish casting.
   10. Baldrick Posted: January 22, 2018 at 06:59 PM (#5611337)
Bummer, it always felt like Grichuk was one PA away from breaking out.

He's the most fun BP hitter I've ever watched in person.

Sure seems like he ought to be able to harness his potential and turn a corner.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: January 22, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5611357)
Grichuk has looked like Jeff Francoeur from the day he reached the majors.

Well, Francoeur plus 90 points of ISO maybe. That makes him .... I dunno, Tony Armas without the excellent CF defense or Tony Batista without the IF defense or Glenallen Hill with better defense or Mark Trumbo with better defense or maybe even Dave Kingman without all the hype. Obviously to have any real success, he's gonna have to turn some Ks into BBs without killing the power but a 240 ISO usually means you have a role. You can survive as a mistake hitter as long as enough of those mistakes travel 400 feet.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2018 at 07:54 PM (#5611358)
Interesting article on Fangraphs on how the HR explosion has hurt Grichuk's relative value. He has real power, so isn't benefiting so much from the juiced ball, which seems to be helping the banjo hitter types hit 15-20 HRs.

But he's still carrying the 30% K-rate, and 5% BB-rate.
   13. greenback understands the nyt's effect on man Posted: January 22, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5611467)
Well, Francoeur plus 90 points of ISO maybe.

It's more of a physical observation than a statistical observation, but, yes, Grichuk has shown more power. Grichuk's bat speed appears better and Grichuk has shown the ability to put backspin on his flyballs to give them extra carry. That said, Grichuk is also noticeably smaller than Francoeur, Trumbo, and Tony Batista. Armas is a good comp, but the aspiration is more Alfonso Soriano as an OF.
   14. Meatwad Posted: January 22, 2018 at 11:51 PM (#5611480)
Alfonso Soriano as an OF.

Did I miss something Soriano played many years in the outfield.
and was always available.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: January 23, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5612016)
Add grains of salt to taste but: Grichuk 6'1" 205; Batista 6'0" 180. FWIW, Trumbo and Frenchy are both listed at 6'4", 225 so 3 inches but only 20 pounds ... and I kinda believe that weight for Frenchy!

I did consider Soriano without the steals and 2Bness but Soriano was always able to maintain a good BA despite all the Ks ... which, by today's standards were not a lot of Ks (career 21.5%, lower in his peak). So, yeah, close enough ... and obviously Grichuk was available.

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