Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, December 22, 2011

Griffin: Jays need to be transparent on Darvish and move on

But that policy sometimes leads to reported Jays participation and in interest being exagerrated and perpetuated, in rumours not being nipped in the bud and continuing to grow. That then encourages media searching out secondary sources, subject to interpretation. There Are even top player agents that will include the Jays as being interested in their client in order to drive up the price, confident that Anthopoulos won’t confirm or deny. It’s always been clear that there are times when the club would benefit from total transparency. Darvish is one of those times.

On Wednesday morning, Anthopoulos had staged a 15-minute conference call with local Toronto media to say nothing. He coyly deflected questions of what had been Jays’ interest in Darvish, of having made any offer at all and of the dollar amount that was reported by national sources said to be runner-up to the Rangers’ reported winning bid of $51.7 million.

He must have known that being recognized as runner-up would generate fan support since he would be perceived to have made a sincere effort. In this case the speculation was helping the team’s off-season image and interest. But, now, with all the denials of the $50 million bid that had been reported in multiple outlets elsewhere before being confirmed here, angles offered about the plucky Jays being competitive for Darvish, the previous fan and media support is turning to frustration and anger at being played. Are the Jays trying to take unwarranted credit for aggressiveness to curry public support?

Thanks to Sh.

Repoz Posted: December 22, 2011 at 03:37 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: blue jays, business, media

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 22, 2011 at 04:20 PM (#4021782)
Mmmm....curry public support.
   2. AROM Posted: December 22, 2011 at 04:28 PM (#4021793)
I think the problem here is dishonest reporting. Not Griffin that I’m aware of in this instance, but specifically George King of the NY Post. He’s the one who reported that the Blue Jays had won the bidding based on some “information” that could only have been pulled from his posterior. And that report seemed to get picked up everywhere else. If you don’t know what a team bid, just say you don’t know.

What he must have been thinking is that he looks good if in fact the Blue Jays had won the bidding. And that if he was wrong it would be forgotten. It’s up to the bloggers to make sure his dishonesty is not forgotten.
   3. Matthew E Posted: December 22, 2011 at 04:39 PM (#4021804)
The Jays should not be transparent on Darvish or on anything else. Anthopoulos never reveals anything if he can get away without revealing it, and that's been working for him, so he should stick with it.

Griffin doesn't like that because a) it has nothing to do with the Expos, b) he works for a newspaper and therefore believes that his desire to know and write stuff trumps the Jays' desire to do business the way they want, and c) he thinks it actually makes a difference when it comes to the Jays' fan support.

As usual, there's no point in paying attention to what Griffin has to say about it.
   4. RJ in TO Posted: December 22, 2011 at 04:46 PM (#4021816)
So this is basically Griffin complaining that the Jays are making his job harder by not actually giving him advance notice of all their plans. Yeah, I'm having a hard time giving a #### about what he thinks on this one.
   5. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: December 22, 2011 at 04:48 PM (#4021820)
He must have known that being recognized as runner-up would generate fan support since he would be perceived to have made a sincere effort.



Fan #1: "Remember when we almost got Yu Darvish"

Fan #2: "Yea, that was awesome!"
   6. Matthew E Posted: December 22, 2011 at 04:53 PM (#4021833)
An addendum to my post #3: I do support Griffin's attempts to investigate, write, and have published any information he thinks the public has a right to know. That is an admirable pursuit.

Still, this is just sports, so there's not a whole lot about it, and there's certainly not a lot about the Darvish bid, that we really need to know. And there's no compelling reason why the Jays should help him do his job.
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 22, 2011 at 05:15 PM (#4021860)
There Are even top player agents that will include the Jays as being interested in their client in order to drive up the price, confident that Anthopoulos won’t confirm or deny.


So by not saying anything, Anthopoulos makes it difficult for other teams when they are signing free agents?

I'm not sure Griffin understands that it is a good thing for Anthopoulos to remain quiet.

He doesn't reveal potential trade information before it happens, thus avoiding other bidders or public outcry that might change the asking price.

He doesn't reveal potential contract offers to players, thus avoiding agents using it against him in offers to OTHER players ("You wanted to give Player X $7million/year? Well, Player Y is better than Player X, so he should get $9million/year.").

As well, didn't Riccardi get ripped by Griffin for talking TOO much?
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 22, 2011 at 05:29 PM (#4021873)
Does it seem like sports journalists complain more about a lack of transparency among sports teams than actual journalists complain about a lack of transparency in government?
   9. Randy Jones Posted: December 22, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#4021881)
actual journalists


I thought they were extinct...
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: December 22, 2011 at 05:43 PM (#4021895)
Does it seem like sports journalists complain more about a lack of transparency among sports teams than actual journalists complain about a lack of transparency in government?


I've had similar thoughts before. I remember noticing that the Boston Globe expected more public explanations and question-answering from Pedro Martinez in his second-language about a baseball game than they did from the president/governor/mayor about actual public policy.

They would always have stories that contained only updates on whether Pedro was/wasn't currently "speaking to the media" as if that any impact on anything happening anywhere, baseball-related or otherwise.
   11. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: December 22, 2011 at 06:25 PM (#4021950)
Jeff Blair of the Globe & Mail had a great quote/tweet at the conclusion of the Darvish bid being revealed, after everyone, journalists included, were sitting at their laptops, refreshing Twitter every ten seconds:

Well, that was certainly special. It was easier when J.P. just told me what he was doing.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: December 22, 2011 at 06:27 PM (#4021952)
I'm imagining the following:

Griffin: Alex, how much did you bid on Darvish?
AA: One million dollars!
(assistant GM whispers in AA's ear)
AA: One BILLION dollars!
(assistant GM whispers in AA's ear)
AA: Fifty million dollars!

If AA just tells Griffin they bid $50 M, how can Griffin verify anyway?
   13. BrianBrianson Posted: December 22, 2011 at 06:45 PM (#4021970)
If Dick Griffin says it, I just assume it's wrong. That's still the case, right?
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 22, 2011 at 06:53 PM (#4021980)

Griffin: Alex, how much did you bid on Darvish?
AA: One million dollars!
(assistant GM whispers in AA's ear)
AA: One BILLION dollars!
(assistant GM whispers in AA's ear)
AA: Fifty million dollars!


AA: We just bid $20 million on Darvish, but the Rangers topped us with $50 million.
AA's Assistant: The Rangers won the Darvish bidding with $50 million, but we were second with a competitive bid.
AA's Assistant's Assistant: We were really close on the Darvish bidding, possibly bidding up to $50 million.
Reporter: The Blue Jays have likely bid up to $50 million on Yu Darvish.
Reporter's Assistant: Purple monkey dishwasher!
   15. Matthew E Posted: December 22, 2011 at 07:17 PM (#4022008)
As well, didn't Riccardi get ripped by Griffin for talking TOO much?


Well, yes, but saying it like that suggests that there were things Ricciardi did that Griffin didn't rip him for, or that Ricciardi could have avoided getting ripped by Griffin if he did nothing at all.
   16. Greg Schuler Posted: December 22, 2011 at 07:50 PM (#4022039)
Mmmm....curry public support.


The red stains much worse than the green, but I think most people support either or as long as it is tasty.
   17. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: December 23, 2011 at 07:27 PM (#4022724)
But that policy sometimes leads to reported Jays participation and in interest being exagerrated and perpetuated, in rumours not being nipped in the bud and continuing to grow. That then encourages media searching out secondary sources, subject to interpretation.


Translation: "I'm too lazy to try to figure out if the rumors I've heard are true or not. It's really up to the Blue Jays to prevent people like me from making stuff up and the only way they can do that is to give me the full story beforehand so I can write about it and don't have to think about what to write about in this column. I mean, if he doesn't feed me stories (and it would really help me meet my deadlines if he could have one of his assistants write them for me) who knows what I'm capable of? I certainly don't."

How does something like this pass his editors? You're a ####### reporter! It's your ####### job to try to figure out if rumors are true or not. AA won't tell you? Call George King! He won't tell you? Chase down the ####### rumor, and if you don't find a legit source at the end of it, it's probably not true. #######.
   18. JoeHova Posted: December 23, 2011 at 07:47 PM (#4022737)
Does it seem like sports journalists complain more about a lack of transparency among sports teams than actual journalists complain about a lack of transparency in government?

This is interesting. A ######## like TJ Simers who is unafraid of being thought of as a ######## by the people he covers would be very useful but for some reason there's nobody like that among political reporters. Perhaps it's because anybody who is too questioning gets marginalized more easily by politicians than they do by sports teams. Or maybe all the dickheads just move on to do talk radio.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Adam M
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogPosnanski: Blaming the fans
(80 - 5:05pm, Aug 27)
Last: PreservedFish

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-27-2014
(17 - 5:02pm, Aug 27)
Last: Eric J can SABER all he wants to

NewsblogOT: Politics, August 2014: DNC criticizes Christie’s economic record with baseball video
(5719 - 5:02pm, Aug 27)
Last: Misirlou's been working for the drug squad

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 8-27-2014
(11 - 4:59pm, Aug 27)
Last: Harveys Wallbangers

NewsblogAJC: O’Brien: Expect B.J. Upton trade talks to be revisited
(29 - 4:58pm, Aug 27)
Last: Colin

NewsblogBrooklyn Cyclones, Nickelodeon to host '90s night
(14 - 4:58pm, Aug 27)
Last: TerpNats

NewsblogCameron: Next year really might be THE year, Cubs fans
(27 - 4:57pm, Aug 27)
Last: Harveys Wallbangers

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread August, 2014
(688 - 4:55pm, Aug 27)
Last: I am going to be Frank

NewsblogOT August 2014:  Wrassle Mania I
(86 - 4:54pm, Aug 27)
Last: DJS and the Infinite Sadness

NewsblogReports: The Astros may still be able to sign top pick Brady Aiken
(2 - 4:53pm, Aug 27)
Last: Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - August 2014
(345 - 4:45pm, Aug 27)
Last: Jimmy P

NewsblogMariners Extend GM Jack Zduriencik
(45 - 4:05pm, Aug 27)
Last: Baldrick

NewsblogRoyals Walk Off; Ned Yost Complains About Attendance
(4 - 3:52pm, Aug 27)
Last: BDC

NewsblogFangraphs: Cameron | Tim Lincecum: Now a Reliever, Maybe Needs to Close
(27 - 3:23pm, Aug 27)
Last: SouthSideRyan

NewsblogFG: A Good Reason To Watch Yusmeiro Petit Pitch
(3 - 2:49pm, Aug 27)
Last: SoSHially Unacceptable

Page rendered in 0.3251 seconds
52 querie(s) executed