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Thursday, December 14, 2006

Guitar video game hurt Zumaya’s arm

You’re almost as good as…ClefyB?

The Tigers are satisfied they won’t see a recurrence of the right wrist and forearm inflammation that sidelined Joel Zumaya for three games of the American League Championship Series.

Why? Club president and general manager Dave Dombrowski told WXYT-AM (1270) on Wednesday the team had concluded Zumaya’s injury resulted from playing a video game, not from his powerful throwing motion. “That was probably what was taking place,” Dombrowski later told the Free Press.

Zumaya, 22, was known to play “Guitar Hero,” a PlayStation 2 game in which a player uses a guitar-shaped controller to simulate the performance of popular songs.

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   1. depletion Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:41 PM (#2261074)
Wow, this is a new one. Jayson Stark ought to add this one to the garage door opener, carrying venison up the stairs list.
   2. Latnam's first name is Bob Lemon's middle name Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:47 PM (#2261075)
Now, Guitar Hero can be intense (Playing Crossroads on Expert has been my Everest), but I can't really see an injury unless maybe he hurt himself after smashing the Guitar in celebration of finishing Bark at the Moon.
   3. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:59 PM (#2261078)
'Killing in the Name' on Expert mode in the sequel is pretty hard work, though. To say nothing of 'Misirlou' - Guitar Hero 2 is an excellent work-out.
   4. sasquatch83 Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:20 PM (#2261083)
I guess this is possible - maybe he was strumming with a stiff wrist? I could see that leading to injury.

At least the Wii wasn't out yet - who knows who might have had a bizarre Wii boxing injury during the playoffs? (My money is on Edmonds)
   5. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:29 PM (#2261087)
But, Zumaya will be able to perform his own theme music when he comes out in a game next year.
   6. The Original SJ Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:29 PM (#2261088)
The other week, my friend and I played Guitar Hero 2 at a local gamestop for about 80 minutes.

We are nearly 30 years old.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:34 PM (#2261091)
Daryl Dawkins once had a chronic sore shoulder that the 76ers team physician couldn't figure out the source of

then he happened to accompany the team on a road trip & saw Chocolate Thunder walking through the airport with an 80 pound boom box slung over his bad shoulder
   8. Jimmy P Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:59 PM (#2261098)
The other week, my friend and I played Guitar Hero 2 at a local gamestop for about 80 minutes.

We are nearly 30 years old.


I can't say I've gone 80 minutes at EB Games, but one of my friends and I went about 30. We're 28.
   9. Paul M Hates Krispy Kreme Posted: December 14, 2006 at 03:11 PM (#2261108)
As someone who has problems with his hands and wrists, I can only really play Guitar Hero for about an hour on good days without having serious pain.

So if he had already hurt himself, or is just predisposed to that kind of pain, I could see it being aggrivated by that game.
   10. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 03:22 PM (#2261116)
then he happened to accompany the team on a road trip & saw Chocolate Thunder walking through the airport with an 80 pound boom box slung over his bad shoulder

That never really happened, did it? ;-)
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 03:30 PM (#2261122)
then he happened to accompany the team on a road trip & saw Chocolate Thunder walking through the airport with an 80 pound boom box slung over his bad shoulder

That never really happened, did it? ;-)


there was an article in SI many years ago about weird sports injuries & the 76ers team doctor (can't remember his name) swears it's true
   12. chemdoc Posted: December 14, 2006 at 03:32 PM (#2261124)
In related news...expect Derek Jeter to get off to a hot start next season.

With nothing to fist-pump about this offseason, his elbows are in near-mint condition.
   13. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 03:36 PM (#2261129)
That's nothing, I sprained my pinky finger making the "sign of the devil" while watching Zumaya rock out to Black Sabbath.
   14. Jundt Posted: December 14, 2006 at 04:04 PM (#2261149)
Re: 13

Blame Ronnie James Dio's grandmother.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 04:25 PM (#2261180)
I've injured myself playing an actual guitar. Does that count?
   16. Jake Luft Posted: December 14, 2006 at 04:34 PM (#2261191)
And Guitar Hero II just came out. Zumaya must be bummin'.
   17. Shredder Posted: December 14, 2006 at 04:39 PM (#2261201)
I'm sorry but that game just doesn't look that fun to me. I can't understand the appeal.
   18. GM Posted: December 14, 2006 at 04:47 PM (#2261216)
I'm sorry but that game just doesn't look that fun to me. I can't understand the appeal.

You sort of have to play it to actually understand, it's sort of like an epiphany.
   19. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 04:52 PM (#2261224)
I'm sorry but that game just doesn't look that fun to me. I can't understand the appeal.

I can't understand the appeal of [b]any video game, ever. Never have played one, going all the way back to Pong & Pacman & whatever -- can't imagine ever wanting to. The fact that some people fetishize such silly stuff is ... off-putting, to say the least.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 04:58 PM (#2261234)
The other week, my friend and I played Guitar Hero 2 at a local gamestop for about 80 minutes.

We are nearly 30 years old.


IOW, the average age of a gamer.

You don't think its 16 year olds shelling out $600 for game consoles, do you?
   21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:04 PM (#2261240)
"The fact that some people fetishize such silly stuff..."

Now you've got me imagining some perv with a Pac-Man fetish. Ew ew Ew ew Ew!

With the ghosts, it might even qualify as necrophilia.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:05 PM (#2261242)
Which in turn reminds me of this picture.
   23. Shredder Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:16 PM (#2261256)
I can't understand the appeal of any video game, ever.

I like video games. It just that this particular one looks kind of boring. Although it appears to be one of those types where you always seem on the verge of getting to the next level, so to speak, and those can be addicting.

You don't think its 16 year olds shelling out $600 for game consoles, do you?

Ya know, I used to wonder when I'd outgrow video games. As it is, I don't play them that often. I haven't played anything but the latest EA college baseball game in the last year, and I probably haven't even played that in a month. But then it dawned on me that all of the adults who never played video games when I was growing up didn't themselves grow up with video games. So I'm not really that worried about it.
   24. Shredder Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:18 PM (#2261258)
And since someone mentioned Wii, there's a website chronicling all of the television destroyed and bodies injured by the the Wii.
   25. CrosbyBird Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:19 PM (#2261262)
I'm sorry but that game just doesn't look that fun to me. I can't understand the appeal.

I agree with the others who say you have to play it. I initially thought it was a really silly idea, and bought it on a friend's glowing recommendation. It is incredibly addictive (like all good games and many bad ones).

Basically, anyone who has ever enjoyed a little air guitar and can't play a real guitar very well is probably going to have a blast with this game.

I can't understand the appeal of any video game, ever. Never have played one, going all the way back to Pong & Pacman & whatever -- can't imagine ever wanting to. The fact that some people fetishize such silly stuff is ... off-putting, to say the least.

Mindboggling. To me, that's like someone saying, "I can't understand the appeal of this whole moving picture thing. Never gone to the movies, can't imagine ever wanting to."

Some of the best video games are basically interactive movies these days. The level of detail that goes into their creation is well beyond the days of Pong and Pac-man. We're talking about games scored by a professional orchestra, integrated realistic sound effects, with characters given speech by the highest quality voice-actors, with detailed plots and rich characterization top to bottom. Other excellent games sacrifice some of this realism for even more rich breadth, either non-linearity, or novel-length plots, or greater mental interaction in the form of puzzle solving, or comedy, or sometimes just good old mindless twitch.

There are so many different types of video games, with so many different themes, that there MUST be something out there that would be captivating to even you. Your issue is almost certainly lack of quality exposure.
   26. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:26 PM (#2261266)
Who does Zumaya think he plays for, the Cubs?
   27. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:27 PM (#2261269)
The other week, my friend and I played Guitar Hero 2 at a local gamestop for about 80 minutes.

We are nearly 30 years old.


80 minutes of playing "A Horse with no Name", and "Baby, I'm a Want You" hardly compares.
   28. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:27 PM (#2261270)
I have yet to play Guitar Hero, but I hear its pretty awesome, my best friend loves to whale on hit, he is 35 and he grabbed the Guitar Hero 2 for his newphews to play.

My youngest brother asked me for it for Christmas.

Only time I have ever injured myself is playing Call of Duty II multiplayer on line and my shoulders were feeling it when I was done(PC)
   29. AROM Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:29 PM (#2261272)
The other week, my friend and I played Guitar Hero 2 at a local gamestop for about 80 minutes.

We are nearly 30 years old.


Last Saturday a friend got guitar hero for his birthday and we took turns playing it for hours. We are 36.

I think I'll still be playing video games when I'm in a nursing home. It'll be a good thing. I won't have to stop playing just to go to the bathroom, the robot nurses will clean up after me.
   30. CFiJ Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:39 PM (#2261285)
Yo young whippersnappers, we 30 year olds were the original gamers. Old gamers never die. We just get slower and prefer games that don't require so many damn buttons...
   31. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:41 PM (#2261292)
Last Saturday a friend got guitar hero for his birthday and we took turns playing it for hours. We are 36.


I'm 38. We didn't get the Atari until a couple of years after it came out. So I got my start on Pac Man, Asteroid, and Space Invader machines at the arcade. My hand-eye coordination was never great, so I'd burn through quarters quickly. So I never really got into video games.
   32. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:44 PM (#2261300)
Yo young whippersnappers, we 30 year olds were the original gamers. Old gamers never die. We just get slower and prefer games that don't require so many damn buttons

Thats whats great about us, is we have seen how incredibly far it has come. I remember shortly before the Atari coming out my Dad buying the Odyssey, I believe the name was. I believe my folks still have the Colecovision and the controller for baseball for that thing was insane.
   33. The Original SJ Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:45 PM (#2261303)
You know, I recently took out the my roommates old gamecube. (which is why we are at EB games, picking up used games)

I hope when I am 60 i am still playing super mario kart. I don't think I want to stop playing that game. Greatest. Racing game. ever.
   34. CrosbyBird Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:47 PM (#2261306)
We just get slower and prefer games that don't require so many damn buttons...

What a world our grandchildren will live in, with those controllers with 146 buttons and 46-bladed razors and 2-minute abs.
   35. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:50 PM (#2261315)
2-minute abs.

Nobody's comin' up with 2. Who works out in 2 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.
   36. CB Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:54 PM (#2261320)
Tiger fans had better hope that Zumaya doesn't get a Wii. That could cause a career-ending injury.
   37. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 05:54 PM (#2261321)
There are so many different types of video games, with so many different themes, that there MUST be something out there that would be captivating to even you. Your issue is almost certainly lack of quality exposure.

I'm sure you're right, but you've got to realize that I've never even played pinball. I've got nothing against games per se -- I've devoted god knows how many umpteen hours of my existence to the likes of Monopoly, Trivial Pursuit, various card games, etc, not to mention most of the team sports -- but ... I dunno. I can't really explain it.

Maybe my mother was scared by an arcade when she was carrying me, or something.
   38. CFiJ Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:03 PM (#2261333)
What a world our grandchildren will live in, with those controllers with 146 buttons and 46-bladed razors and 2-minute abs.

I remember moving from the Atari to the Nintendo at 11 years old. (Hmmm...one more button.) And then to the Super Nintendo at 15. (Whoa! A lot more buttons to play with!) Then to the Nintendo 64 at 20. (What the hell is this thing?) I got used to that one, but then the GameCube came out when I was 25. (#### it. I'm playing the PlayStation 2.)

I am, at 30, eagerly anticipating getting my hands on a Wii, though.
   39. shaftr Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:16 PM (#2261344)
That is nothing.

http://www.guitarherobrokemyknee.com/
   40. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:31 PM (#2261355)
"Some of the best video games are basically interactive movies these days."

I think the game that most blew me away in that regard was God of War. I actually think it's slightly overrated, as there are too many portions that just aren't much fun. But as...well, art, I guess, it's absolutely extraordinary.

A few months ago I was talking about the game to my dad, mainly in explaining to him why he shouldn't bother to buy it. (Seriously, it would kick my dad's ass on Easy mode) When I told him why Kratos was so white, he was blown away. He thought that was an amazing plot point.
   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:35 PM (#2261366)
The fact that some people fetishize such silly stuff is ... off-putting, to say the least.

I find this a curious statement on a site dedicated to such a silly enterprise such as baseball.
   42. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:42 PM (#2261376)
I am, at 30, eagerly anticipating getting my hands on a Wii, though.

I'm 31 and trying to decide if my marriage could survive the acquisition of a Playstation 3. As it is, I'm totally addicted to playing PS2 NCAA Football 07 online. When 08 comes out on the PS3 next fall, well, it might be a good idea to start looking around for furnished, month to month apartments in the area.
   43. zonk Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2261383)
Bah!

Someone needs to play cranky old man... forget the graphics, forget the poor man's virtual reality pap....

Gimme any of the following:

- OOTP5 through 6.5 (ootp2006 just doesn't do it for me)
All the best features from the great dynasty games of yesteryear -- Earl Weaver baseball, Tony LaRussa baseball, etc

- Hearts of Iron II/HOI2 Doomsday
Single greatest WWII sim ever. Better historical depth than ANY textbook you've ever seen. Play any of 150+ nations from 1936 to 1948, with realistic tech trees, units, commanders, political cabinets, etc

- Civilization II
Civ III and Civ IV sacrificed too much pacing and gameplay for eye candy

- Europa Universalis II
By the same folks that did HOI, historical sim from ~1400 to ~1800.

- Galactic Civlizations II
Civ 2 in space! The one game where I think the eye candy was worth it -- design your own ships -- not just features, but look and feel.
   44. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2261384)
As a developer of Guitar Hero, I would like to apologize to both Tigers fans here for any part I played in Zumaya's injury.

I'm glad that people here like it.
   45. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:49 PM (#2261386)
The other week, my friend and I played Guitar Hero 2 at a local gamestop for about 80 minutes.


So the only song you did was "American Pie"?
   46. shaftr Posted: December 14, 2006 at 06:59 PM (#2261402)
Perhaps this is common knowledge on here, but I was shocked to find out that that CliffyB, developer of Gears of War (game of the year in my opinion), is the brother of the founder of Athletics Nation.
   47. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:02 PM (#2261407)
"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida," I think it was.
   48. sardonic Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:03 PM (#2261409)

- Civilization II
Civ III and Civ IV sacrificed too much pacing and gameplay for eye candy


I'm a really big fan of what they've done with culture, vassal states (in the expansion), less constricting tech trees, great people and not having to click into the damn city menu to control the city in Civ IV. I'd say the ease of gameplay is much better with IV.

I don't think III was a significant upgrade on II though.
   49. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:03 PM (#2261410)
Old gamers never die. We just get slower and prefer games that don't require so many damn buttons...


This is true. I'm still playing Contra 3 and Super Metroid.
   50. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:13 PM (#2261419)
I watched a guy in his 20s just rock out hardcore while playing "Freebird" at the local Best Buy.
I'd never seen the game, or figured out why it was popular, but watching this guy prance and strut while belting out the tune (and only missing a couple of notes), I finally understood.
   51. McCoy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2261423)
I was at best buy the other day and saw a doctor in scrubs and what appeared to be his accountant wailing away at the in-store guitar hero. I was laughing my head off. I've never played it and I don't want to, but I've got friends that swear by it. They went to the store at midnight to get guitar hero 2.

Somebody above said basically the same thing but I think guitar hero appeals to all those people that wanted to be a rock star but never put the time in to learn how to play guitar. Which I guess makes the game no different then Madden or MVP or pretty much any other game. But still Guitar Hero and Dance Dance revolution look to be the dorkiest games to play. Sure you might have a ball playing them but you better hope to god nobody snaps a picture or films you doing it.
   52. McCoy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:16 PM (#2261424)
Old gamers never die. We just get slower and prefer games that don't require so many damn buttons...


This is true. I'm still playing Contra 3 and Super Metroid.


That and final fantasy.

You could be in a coma and still play this game.
   53. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2261430)
How about learning to play, you know, an actual guitar?
   54. CFiJ Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2261431)
I'm quite partial to Taiko Drum Master, and play it here in Japan whenever I come across it.
   55. Paul D(uda) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2261435)
Speaking of injuries:

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/
   56. Jose Molina wants a nickname like "A-Rod" Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:31 PM (#2261450)
EA Sports Hockey '94
Baseball Stars
Super Mario Cart
Starcraft

I will play these games forever
   57. jolietconvict Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:32 PM (#2261453)
The first day I got the original Guitar Hero I sat playing it in my easy chair. Something about the way I was sitting caused my shoulder to hurt for two days. Then again I'm a fat POS.
   58. McCoy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:34 PM (#2261455)
Revolution '76
Axis and Allies
Test Drive
Lakers vs. Celtics
   59. McCoy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#2261457)
Oops sorry forgot the newest one to that list Medieval: Total War
   60. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2261464)
Guitar Hero 2 is the best video game ever.

How about learning to play, you know, an actual guitar?

Because the game's a lot more fun?
   61. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2261468)
As a developer of Guitar Hero,

You're one of my heroes.

But still Guitar Hero and Dance Dance revolution look to be the dorkiest games to play. Sure you might have a ball playing them but you better hope to god nobody snaps a picture or films you doing it.

Actually, Guitar Hero has a lot of "street cred", I think.
   62. Shredder Posted: December 14, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2261469)
http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/

Umm, dude, post #24. C'mon now.
   63. shaftr Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2261482)
I'm anxiously awaiting the 360 release of Guitar Hero 2.
   64. McCoy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2261487)
Actually, Guitar Hero has a lot of "street cred", I think.


I'm sure it does but I'm also pretty sure that if most of the people that play guitar hero filmed themselves and then put it on Youtube they would get flamed pretty harshly. I'm also pretty sure that if you played it during a family chritmas gathering in say 20 years it would get a big laugh.

Like I said I'm sure for those that play it it is a blast. But that doesn't change the fact that you look stupid doing it.
   65. Shredder Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2261497)
Like I said I'm sure for those that play it it is a blast. But that doesn't change the fact that you look stupid doing it.

They couldn't possibly look any worse than this girl.
   66. Paul D(uda) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2261498)

Umm, dude, post #24. C'mon now.


Oops, sorry Shredder.
   67. Garth found his way to daylight Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:27 PM (#2261499)
I remember moving from the Atari to the Nintendo at 11 years old. (Hmmm...one more button.) And then to the Super Nintendo at 15. (Whoa! A lot more buttons to play with!) Then to the Nintendo 64 at 20. (What the hell is this thing?) I got used to that one, but then the GameCube came out when I was 25. (#### it. I'm playing the PlayStation 2.)

As an 18-year-old, I am lucky -- my dad as well as my brother and sister (9 and 10 years older than I) were into video games, so I was exposed my entire life. I was raised on Atari from birth, worked into NES early on (Mario Bros. 3 is the greatest game of all time), the Super Nintendo came around and I was getting better, the N64 was finally a console I rocked on (as I was getting older and more spatially-unstupid) and the Gamecube has been my buddy until just recently, when I went with an XBox360. I still plan to get the Wii down the road, but for now, I feel dirty for having betrayed Nintendo.
   68. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:32 PM (#2261505)
Guitar Hero 2 is the best video game ever.

Billy Madison: I disagree. Although it is a very good game, Donkey Kong is the best video game ever.

Biff: Donkey Kong sucks.

Billy Madison: You know what? YOU SUCK!
   69. Robert S. Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2261509)
How about learning to play, you know, an actual guitar?

I've been playing "actual guitar" for over a decade and Guitar Hero is still a crapload of fun. Challenging, too. Believe it or not, plenty of songs are more difficult in Guitar Hero than on a real guitar.
   70. WillYoung Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:48 PM (#2261523)
But still Guitar Hero and Dance Dance revolution look to be the dorkiest games to play. Sure you might have a ball playing them but you better hope to god nobody snaps a picture or films you doing it.

Too late for me. My fiancee caught me at a Best Buy when I thought she had left for Ann Taylor's Loft or Williams & Sonoma or one of those places.
   71. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 08:50 PM (#2261527)
I'm sure it does but I'm also pretty sure that if most of the people that play guitar hero filmed themselves and then put it on Youtube they would get flamed pretty harshly.

There are plenty of GH videos on YouTube and they don't get flamed.
   72. Shredder Posted: December 14, 2006 at 09:00 PM (#2261535)
Too late for me.

The guitar doesn't look as dorky as the cell phone clipped to the waist does.
   73. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 14, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2261537)
There are plenty of GH videos on YouTube and they don't get flamed.

That sounds like a challenge.
   74. PerroX Posted: December 14, 2006 at 09:07 PM (#2261543)
Though it's perhaps hypocritical for an avid sports spectator to state, virtual reality is for the reality-disabled.

I was born with the only joystick I'll ever need.
   75. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 14, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2261548)
Though it's perhaps hypocritical for an avid sports spectator to state, virtual reality is for the reality-disabled.

Bah. "Reality" is a shared illusion.
   76. PerroX Posted: December 14, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#2261560)
Virtual reality is a solitary illusion where even the 'sol' eventually disolves. Any sharing is illusory.

From an oldfart whose primary pastimes -- besides baseball -- are books and movies.
   77. AROM Posted: December 14, 2006 at 09:49 PM (#2261575)
I'm 31 and trying to decide if my marriage could survive the acquisition of a Playstation 3.

Better question: Will your alimony payments allow you to keep buying games?

Never let a woman come between you and gaming.
   78. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:05 PM (#2261592)
Never let a woman make you who you are.
   79. Charlie O Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:07 PM (#2261593)
I'm trying to imagine how playing a video game could be more enjoyable than playing one of my guitars and it just isn't happening.
   80. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:12 PM (#2261599)
I love these threads.

You enjoy doing something other than what I enjoy doing? What is this fresh hell?
   81. WillYoung Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:14 PM (#2261602)
The guitar doesn't look as dorky as the cell phone clipped to the waist does.

True, thankfully I quit that job and no longer had to carry around a 24-hour Nextel. Now, I'm just unemployed!
   82. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:22 PM (#2261613)
Now, I'm just unemployed!

That just means more time for Guitar Hero!
   83. Raskolnikov Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:27 PM (#2261618)
Never let a woman make you who you are.

Too late, unless you came out of some test tube or swamp.
   84. Paul D(uda) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:40 PM (#2261639)
Donkey Konga for the Gamecube is also very very fun. (You get a set of drums instead of a guitar).

Most people I know prefer Guitar Hero, but they still like Donkey Konga.
   85. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2261655)
1. Civ 1 was the best of all the Civ games.
2. Final Fantasy 3 (US) was the best of all the FF games, and is my candidate for best video game ever. FF2 is a very close second.
3. The best sports games in the late 90's, by far, were the EA NHL franchise.
4. HE'S ON FIRE!
   86. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:55 PM (#2261659)
- Hearts of Iron II/HOI2 Doomsday
Single greatest WWII sim ever. Better historical depth than ANY textbook you've ever seen. Play any of 150+ nations from 1936 to 1948, with realistic tech trees, units, commanders, political cabinets, etc


Very fun game. I feel sad that I don't have the time to play it I once did.
   87. Paul D(uda) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 10:59 PM (#2261660)
Final Fantasy 3 (US) was the best of all the FF games, and is my candidate for best video game ever. FF2 is a very close second.

I realize that this is the consencus now, but I strongly disagree with it. FF3(VI) is where things started to go downhill, and it's a predecessor to the crapfest that was FF7... and 8... and 9... and.. you get the picture.
   88. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:02 PM (#2261668)
3. The best sports games in the late 90's, by far, were the EA NHL franchise.

I always wondered whose idea it was to take out the fights in, what, the '95 version?
   89. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:05 PM (#2261670)
Am I an ass for thinking that Metroid Prime is one of the top ten best games of all time? And yes, I did grow up with a 2600...
   90. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:07 PM (#2261675)
I always wondered whose idea it was to take out the fights in, what, the '95 version?

'94 or '95 was the last one with fights. I knew lots of guys who wouldn't upgrade to the newer versions cuz they wanted the fights.

I always assumed the NHL asked EA to remove them. I'm probably wrong.
   91. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2261677)
I always wondered whose idea it was to take out the fights in, what, the '95 version?

"Oh look, little Wayne's head is bleeding. Oh, his legs are shaking, little Wayne's legs are shaking!"
   92. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2261679)
I work LP at a Best Buy, and am stationed right near the Guitar Hero 2 display. Trust me, I've watched people play GH2 in the store for much longer than the 80-minute marathon that was mentioned above. Now, most of these people are cokeheads with nothing better to do with their lives, but we there are about five or six folks who frequently come in and just play GH2- they never buy anything, never browse, just go straight for the guitar. Technically, there's a 15-minute time limit at any video game station, but I'll usually let them play for hours on end; they're not harming anyone and I'd rather be watching out for d-bags looking to steal.

Anyway, listening to "I Love Rock n' Roll" and "Killing In The Name Of" thousands of times has made me extremely jaded toward Guitar Hero. Point is, we need a new display game...
   93. Jim Wisinski Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2261687)
Music simulation games are the greatest things ever. I've never played Guitar Hero but may buy it soon; unfortunately there are no arcades anywhere near me that have Guitar Freaks.
   94. Raskolnikov Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:17 PM (#2261691)
listening to "I Love Rock n' Roll" and "Killing In The Name Of" thousands of times

I'm so sorry. Isn't that a violation of some labor law under inhumane working conditions?
   95. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:19 PM (#2261695)

Anyway, listening to "I Love Rock n' Roll" and "Killing In The Name Of" thousands of times has made me extremely jaded toward Guitar Hero. Point is, we need a new display game...


Ugh. ILRR is easily the most boring song in either game.
   96. Yakov Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:21 PM (#2261697)
In Soviet Russia, Guitar Hero plays YOU!
   97. Joey B. Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#2261702)
Am I an ass for thinking that Metroid Prime is one of the top ten best games of all time?

Absolutely not my friend.

If I absolutely had to vote for a #1, I think I'd still vote for Legend of Zelda: the Ocarina of Time, but Metroid Prime is up there in the pantheon of all time greats.
   98. Robert S. Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2261708)
Donkey Konga for the Gamecube is also very very fun. (You get a set of drums instead of a guitar).

Most people I know prefer Guitar Hero, but they still like Donkey Konga.

While not the easiest thing to track down, Samba de Amigo is great fun. If anyone is willing to brave a little Japanese (I don't understand a lick) and likes the WarioWare games, check out Rhythm Tengoku. Elite Beat Agents just came out for DS recently and it is excellent as well.
   99. Raskolnikov Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2261709)
So true.
1. Civ 1 was the best of all the Civ games.

I had to delete this from my computer, it was so addicting and time-consuming.
My friend had to delete his because another friend was always using his computer to play it.
Worse than heroin.


2. Final Fantasy 3 (US) was the best of all the FF games, and is my candidate for best video game ever. FF2 is a very close second.


The music in this game - and also this old Sega game called "Warsong - were ridiculously addicting. It took several years to get the tune out of my head. (Warsong's theme song pops back into my head)


3. The best sports games in the late 90's, by far, were the EA NHL franchise.


Yep, NHL Hockey ruled.


4. HE'S ON FIRE!
   100. Danny Posted: December 14, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2261721)
3. The best sports games in the late 90's, by far, were the EA NHL franchise.

Couldn't agree more. I've probably played NHL 94 on Sega CD (don't ask) and NHL 96 on Super Nintendo more than any other games.
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