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Thursday, August 04, 2011

Guthrie absorbs major league-leading 15th loss

Roll On, Norfolkie, Roll On.

Whenever Jeremy Guthrie takes the mound, the Baltimore batters seem to take the day off.

That held true again Wednesday night when the Orioles managed just four hits in a 6-2 loss to the Kansas City Royals.

Guthrie is receiving just 3.3 runs per game, the sixth-lowest support in the American League. In his past 15 starts, the Orioles have scored 47 runs when he was in the game.

“We didn’t mount much offense,” Orioles manager Buck Showalter said. “That was the story of the game.”

Guthrie (5-15) yielded six runs on eight hits in seven innings. He leads the majors in losses.

“They were able to string together a couple of hits and then they got a big home run in the seventh,” Guthrie said. “I felt the same as last time (when he beat the Yankees 4-2 on Friday). I just didn’t get the same results. The homer was the most damaging in the seventh but I made more mistakes than that.

Repoz Posted: August 04, 2011 at 11:21 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 04, 2011 at 12:12 PM (#3892467)
Guthrie (5-15) yielded six runs on eight hits in seven innings.


Darn that run support!
   2. Al Peterson Posted: August 04, 2011 at 01:45 PM (#3892526)
It was funny watching the game last night. In the 7th Guthrie falls behind Billy Butler 3-0 and Jim Palmer doing the game says "Expect Yost to give the green light, Butler's been hot.". Two seconds later Guthrie throws chest high meatball which Mr. Butler jumps out of his shoes and clubs said pitch out of the park to dead center, 3 run homer and lights out for the O's. Methinks maybe Jeremy wants that pitch back.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 02:14 PM (#3892552)
Billy Butler is a strong man. Nice to finally see him hitting for some power and shut his detracators up.
   4. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 02:34 PM (#3892577)
Does anyone else have teams that they check on regularly despite no rooting interest one way or the other? I try to watch every Yankee game and keep abreast of what the Red Sox are doing, but I've also found myself religiously checking KC box scores this year.

EDIT: 1. It seems like Butler immediately started hitting for power once Yost called him out about 10 or so days ago.

2. Have the Royals given any indication what their plans are for Gordon? Would it make sense to try to lock him and Hosmer up to deals ASAP?
   5. Zach Posted: August 04, 2011 at 02:58 PM (#3892600)
I wonder if being in the majors at age 21 retarded Billy's power stroke? He won several batting titles in the minors, and I get the impression he sees himself as a high average hitter.

A guy with his size and hitting ability should be able to hit for power without sacrificing too much in average.
   6. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 03:16 PM (#3892626)
Billy Butler is a strong man. Nice to finally see him hitting for some power and shut his detracators up.
Yes. Now if only Nick Markakis would (re)start doing the same.
   7. Austin Posted: August 04, 2011 at 03:22 PM (#3892632)
Guthrie looks like he has a pretty good shot at 20 losses, which hasn't happened since Mike Maroth did it for Detroit in 2003.

Funnily enough, Guthrie has led the majors in losses before, with 17 in 2009.
   8. asinwreck Posted: August 04, 2011 at 03:37 PM (#3892643)
Guthrie looks like he has a pretty good shot at 20 losses, which hasn't happened since Mike Maroth did it for Detroit in 2003.


Would this constitute him creating a nuisance?
   9. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 03:43 PM (#3892650)
Does anyone else have teams that they check on regularly despite no rooting interest one way or the other?


I used to check Indians scores at the height of the Sizemore/Sabathia/Lee era. I look at Blue Jays scores pretty regularly because of Bautista and their weird ability to turn every pitcher on earth into a league-average innings eater.
   10. escabeche Posted: August 04, 2011 at 03:51 PM (#3892657)
The thing is, Guthrie's been the Orioles' best pitcher this year. The reason he gets close to 20 losses is that, unlike the rest of our starters, he's usually never bad enough to lose his spot in the rotation.

Here's a crazy stat: the AL leader in losses has been an Oriole four of the last five seasons. Four different pitchers, too: Rodrigo Lopez, Daniel Cabrera, Guthrie, and Kevin Millwood.

Is Lopez the only guy who's led both the AL and the NL in losses?
   11. RJ in TO Posted: August 04, 2011 at 04:27 PM (#3892685)
I look at Blue Jays scores pretty regularly because of Bautista and their weird ability to turn every pitcher on earth into a league-average innings eater.

It is a pretty wonderful skill for a team to have. Also, before the season, someone was asking for a random pitcher to follow for all their starts, and they ended up (after some prodding from me) deciding on Ricky Romero. I'd be interested to hear what their impression is.

As for other teams to follow, I'm oddly intrigued by Mariners, in a slow-motion-train-wreck sort of way. I can't help but to watch, and can never quite manage to turn away.
   12. Curse of the Andino Posted: August 04, 2011 at 06:12 PM (#3892789)
The job of O's "#1 Starter" is sorta like drummer for Spinal Tap. You're gonna match up with pitchers like Sabathia, Romero, David Price and Jon Lester for half your appearances. So even if you pitch "OK," it ain't gonna help your record much.

Guthrie would be fine as a #3 or #4, but he's just plain outclassed half the time he takes the mound.
   13. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 04, 2011 at 06:28 PM (#3892805)
Is Lopez the only guy who's led both the AL and the NL in losses?

Rodrigo Lopez shares this honor with Dutch Leonard (1940 Senators, 1948 Phillies), Jerry Koosman (1977 Mets, 1981 Twins/White Sox), and Tom Candiotti (1992 Dodgers, 1996 A's). Then of course there was Bob Groom who led the AL in losses with the Senators in 1909, led the Federal League in losses with the 1914 St. Louis Terriers, and returned to lead the AL in losses with the 1917 Browns.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3892806)
1. It seems like Butler immediately started hitting for power once Yost called him out about 10 or so days ago.

2. Have the Royals given any indication what their plans are for Gordon? Would it make sense to try to lock him and Hosmer up to deals ASAP?


1. Supposedly he made some adjustments with hitting coach Kevin Seitzer. My theory is that Seitzer has been having him hit the other way all year. Finally, he told him to square up and hit it hard.

2. They have given no indication. Gordon has always seemed to be persona non grata. I guess he has "coachability" issues. It wouldn't surprise me to see them lock him up. It also wouldn't surprise me to see him traded this winter. It would make sense to lock him and Hosmer up. Hosmer's agent is Boras though and Boras made a public statement when Hosmer was first called up that they weren't looking for a long-term deal or something like that.
   15. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 04, 2011 at 06:51 PM (#3892823)
I follow the Angels quite a bit, in large part because when I am at Zebulon or Durham I'm usually leaving after the majority of the 7 PM ET games are over and they're usually in the most attractive of the 10 PM ET games.

-- MWE
   16. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 06:56 PM (#3892828)
The job of O's "#1 Starter" is sorta like drummer for Spinal Tap. You're gonna match up with pitchers like Sabathia, Romero, David Price and Jon Lester for half your appearances. So even if you pitch "OK," it ain't gonna help your record much.

Guthrie would be fine as a #3 or #4, but he's just plain outclassed half the time he takes the mound.


How often do #1 pitchers actually meet up during the season? After April it seems like a crap-shoot.
   17. Curse of the Andino Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:28 PM (#3892857)
How often do #1 pitchers actually meet up during the season? After April it seems like a crap-shoot.


Jeeze, did a brief look through May, saw Guthrie facing not #1s, but guys like Bedard, Hellickson, Buehrle, and realized they were all better pitchers than Jeremy Guthrie.

/Sigh.
   18. Curse of the Andino Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:35 PM (#3892862)
Still looking. Seems he faced a bunch of #1s in April, and then again in July--though those were interleague opponents w/ good records. Maybe the #1 starters match up again after the ASB when rotations reset?--

Editing to add, ehh, maybe not. Good theory not supported by data (Guthrie lost to guys like Justin Masterson later in the month.) So, he's just on a team that gives him no run support.
   19. flournoy Posted: August 04, 2011 at 07:52 PM (#3892887)
How often do #1 pitchers actually meet up during the season?


I would hazard a guess at 20% of the time.
   20. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 04, 2011 at 08:28 PM (#3892922)
I would hazard a guess at 20% of the time.


I see what you did there.

It also brings up the point of who or what is a #1 pitcher. Is Beckett or Lester the #1 pitcher for the Sox? Is that the same answer that would have given prior to the season? Does a shitty team (like the Orioles) necessarily have a #1 starter?

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