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Friday, May 23, 2014

Hadricourt: Bullpen mixup a lowlight in Brewers’ loss

Roenicke then went to plate umpire Fieldin Culbreth to make a double-switch and pointed to the bullpen for a lefty. There was no lefty warming up so Duke volunteered to come out, but Roenicke told Culbreth he wanted Smith.

The rules state that a new pitcher can throw no more than eight pitches after taking the mound. Because Culbreth was informed Smith had not been up in the bullpen, he asked Atlanta manager Fredi Gonzalez if he would agree to more pitches and Gonzalez said no.

Two things I have never seen before - at least I knew what the rule was for number of warmup tosses.  But for the rest of the game, the question of whether or not Duke was eligible to come in the game again was the subject of much debate.  He clearly entered the field of play, but since he was not forced to pitch to a batter before leaving, was he officially in the game?

spike Posted: May 23, 2014 at 04:06 PM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DA Baracus Posted: May 23, 2014 at 11:11 PM (#4712444)
This wasn't consistent with last year when the Mariners manager motioned for the wrong guy but the pitcher who came out had to pitch. And the umps getting on the headset to help out Roenicke is crap too.
   2. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: May 23, 2014 at 11:28 PM (#4712449)
Kudos to Fredi for standing his ground.
   3. cardsfanboy Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:54 AM (#4712468)
The rules state that a new pitcher can throw no more than eight pitches after taking the mound. Because Culbreth was informed Smith had not been up in the bullpen, he asked Atlanta manager Fredi Gonzalez if he would agree to more pitches and Gonzalez said no.


Normally I despise rule lawyers, but have to fully support Fredi on this one. Lack of communication is not really an acceptable excuse for failure to properly warmup.
   4. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: May 24, 2014 at 01:15 AM (#4712472)
Indeed. If only the pitcher would have gotten hurt because he didn't get to warm up. That would have showed 'em.

It's bush. You are putting a guy's livelihood at risk because his manager f'd up. Weak sauce.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: May 24, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4712476)
Have you looked at the Braves' offense? Letting a pitcher warm up at all is an unfair advantage!
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: May 24, 2014 at 02:39 AM (#4712485)
Indeed. If only the pitcher would have gotten hurt because he didn't get to warm up. That would have showed 'em.

It's bush. You are putting a guy's livelihood at risk because his manager f'd up. Weak sauce.


There were other pitchers warmed up. He wanted the lefty that he messed up warming up. Why not bring in one of the other two pitchers that they had warm up?

Any injury that occured would have been a result of incompetence on the managerial side of the equation. Accept the "lesser" pitcher and move forward.
   7. Jose Canusee Posted: May 24, 2014 at 07:26 AM (#4712493)
Wasn't there a story about Satchel Paige entering a situation like that, walking his first batter and then firing pickoff throws until he felt loose?
   8. Swedish Chef Posted: May 24, 2014 at 07:45 AM (#4712498)
Indeed. If only the pitcher would have gotten hurt because he didn't get to warm up. That would have showed 'em.

It's bush. You are putting a guy's livelihood at risk because his manager f'd up. Weak sauce.


The line between ####-up and stratagem is a thin one. I don't see why the Braves shouldn't assume that they were trying to pull a fast one on them.

If the pitcher is uncomfortable, he is free to throw underhand.

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