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Friday, August 10, 2012

Haggerty: Signs are there that Red Sox are giving up season

Well, I’ve had enough, but all the guys say…BEER! BUST!

There were others that just don’t seem to care about wins or losses anymore.

Like John Lackey as he apparently needs to travel with the team and work with trainer Mike Reinold while recovering from Tommy John surgery – a fairly standard rehab that literally thousands of pitchers have come back from stronger-than-ever over the last 30 years.

But for whatever reason the underachieving righty needs to travel with the team even though he won’t be throwing even one measly pitch for them.

Lackey was so busted up after the latest defeat that he was strutting around the clubhouse with a can of Bud Light in each hand, or what is known as “double-fisting” on every college campus in the history of mankind.

So much for the Bobby Valentine ban on alcohol in the Sox clubhouse that was implemented during spring training.

For a guy that was at the epicenter of last year’s “chicken and beer” shenanigans – and somebody that isn’t expected to help out this year’s team in any way, shape or form – it was another clear case of some Sox players that just don’t care anymore.

Repoz Posted: August 10, 2012 at 08:28 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 10, 2012 at 08:52 AM (#4205081)
Scott Podsednik is back. Is that a sign they have given up?
   2. mswift Posted: August 10, 2012 at 08:54 AM (#4205082)
It's not my place to defend Lackey, but how can anyone can call Bud Light alcohol?
   3. asinwreck Posted: August 10, 2012 at 08:55 AM (#4205083)
Scott Podsednik is back. Is that a sign they have given up?


Or a sign of the apocalypse.
   4. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:07 AM (#4205089)
I am saying this right now: the Sox are not done. They are one hot streak away from being in the the thick of, or leading, the Wild Card race. With that offense, a hot streak is not only possible, but likely at some point.
   5. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:09 AM (#4205090)
Also, isn't Lackey traveling with the team a sign that he DOES care? What is the writer's argument? That Lackey is only traveling with the team for the meal money and the boyz on the road life?
   6. Spahn Insane Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4205091)
It's over. It's always been over.

(Hey, man--I'm trying to cheer y'all up.)
   7. Dale Sams Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4205094)
#4 you're wrong. Why can't you be level headed like:

#5. Seriously. I didn't understand this at all. A sign that the team has given up is that Lackey is travelling with the team?? "The team doesn't care and the proof is that Lackey does care, except he doesn't because he's self-flagellating with shitty beer".
   8. villageidiom Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:25 AM (#4205101)
If you're a short 2B or a speedy CF, you need to travel with the team to show you care. If you're an insufferable P, you need to stay away from the team.

Really, that's the message from Haggerty and the media in general: "Go away John Lackey, we don't like you, and you give us reason to give up hope on 2012. If anyone cared about this team they'd tell you the next series is in Texas, put you on a plane by yourself, then have you drugged and leave you in a coffin somewhere in Mexico like Michael Douglas in The Game. Rehab that."
   9. Joey B. Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4205102)
Top ten signs that the Red Sox might be giving up on the season:

#10: Bobby Valentine now wearing his fake nose and glasses in the dugout for no apparent reason.
#9: Gisele Bundchen overheard by reporters unleashing a foul-mouthed tirade about how her husband can't hit, pitch, catch, run, and throw for the f*cking team all by himself.
#8: Josh Beckett skipped a start due to a blister on his non-pitching hand.
#7: September has been designated "Manny Ramirez appreciation month".
#6: John Henry seen in the ESPN Baseball Tonight studio on his hands and knees groveling in front of Francona.
#5: The Green Monster is now painted a hideous bright fluorescent pink.
#4: Dustin Pedroia just destroyed his personal copy of "MLB 09 The Show" in a fit of rage.
#3: Bill Simmons already working on his first official column on how the Patriots are going to get serious payback against the Giants this year for Super Bowls XLII and XLVI.
#2: Adrian Gonzalez hits mammoth home run, is then called out on appeal for missing three out of the four bases.

And the number one sign that Red Sox might be giving up on the season:

#1: Fried chicken and beer now being consumed openly in the dugout!
   10. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:28 AM (#4205105)
They are one hot streak away from being in the the thick of, or leading, the Wild Card race.


It might not seem like it, but the Red Sox have had a few hot streaks already this season. They went 16-6 from May 11 through June 2, and 11-3 from June 11 through June 27. They always follow the good stretches up by playing like crap for a week or more. So what difference does it make if they have another 13-2 run in them, since they almost certainly also have a couple more 2-9's?
   11. JJ1986 Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:29 AM (#4205106)
#3: Bill Simmons already working on his first official column on how the Patriots are going to get serious payback against the Giants this year for Super Bowls XLII and XLVI.


This didn't happen in February?
   12. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4205116)
I am saying this right now: the Sox are not done. They are one hot streak away from being in the the thick of, or leading, the Wild Card race. With that offense, a hot streak is not only possible, but likely at some point.
In the interest of having at least one person look stupid in the long-term, I'll go the other way. Boston is done, and they're not getting meaningfully closer to the Wild Card than they are now.

Having said that, this column is inane.
   13. AROM Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4205118)
Like John Lackey as he apparently needs to travel with the team and work with trainer Mike Reinold while recovering from Tommy John surgery – a fairly standard rehab that literally thousands of pitchers have come back from stronger-than-ever over the last 30 years.

But for whatever reason the underachieving righty needs to travel with the team even though he won’t be throwing even one measly pitch for them.

Lackey was so busted up after the latest defeat that he was strutting around the clubhouse with a can of Bud Light in each hand, or what is known as “double-fisting” on every college campus in the history of mankind.


I think this is clearly a sign that John Lackey doesn't care. Oh, he might care about the team, his teammates, and making the best effort he can to rehab and get back on the field. That he's traveling with the team speaks well of that. It is my understanding that a lot of players out for the season do not do this, though I have no idea what the percentages are.

But Bud light? He clearly does not care about the beer. He's a freakin multi-millionaire. Buy something good, John. You're in Boston, go with one of the many delicious varieties of Sam Adams if you don't want to go full micro-brew. I drank Bud light as an undergrad. In grad school I was scraping by on $600 dollars a month, but I made sure to priorize good beers in my budget.
   14. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4205119)
Valentine: "They're just lost drunken men, who don't know where they are and don't care."

Beckett: "Where are we?"

Lackey: "I don't care."


Valentine: "And there are lost drunken men who don't know where they are, but do care"

Valentine: "And these are men who know where they are and care, but don't drink."

Youk: "Wait, I don't know where I am."

Valentine: "Do you care?"

Youk: "No"

Valentine: "Trade this man to the White Sox. And give him a drink!"

   15. Dale Sams Posted: August 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4205145)
In the interest of having at least one person look stupid in the long-term, I'll go the other way. Boston is done,


I said that May 10th. Well I said they would end up under .500, May 10th. I said they were done in 2012 last year. See. I have no problem looking stupid in the long term.
   16. Cris E Posted: August 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM (#4205161)
To me the Bud Light says he wasn't drinking. I think he was going to shampoo his hair with it, which is what champions do. It's kind of like Mike Redmond's naked BP to break slumps. Lackey's doing some of his best work here.
   17. Textbook Editor Posted: August 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4205175)
Lackey's doing some of his best work here.


Nah, permanently disabling his right arm would be his best work for us.
   18. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 10, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4205210)
I just want to add my voice to the confusion about Lackey traveling with the team. This has been a regular feature of a lot of pieces this year that Lackey traveling with the team is bad but that to me is a sign of commitment more than anything else.

One of the interesting things about the two FA busts Lackey and Crawford is that from what I see as an outsider they both appear pretty well liked within the clubhouse.

Just for what it's worth this is the second Haggarty article we've linked to in about a week. Haggarty's primary gig is as Bruin beat man so I think he's inclined to put even more stock in chemistry issues than even the usual baseball writer. That seems a bigger deal in hockey than it is in baseball (not a criticism of hockey, I'm a big hockey fan).
   19. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: August 10, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4205228)
Step 1: spot someone drinking beer in the clubhouse (not an active player? No problem!)
Step 2: recall that beer in the clubhouse was a major story in the recent past
Step 3: through the miracle of JOURNALISM, somehow conflate these two facts into a hatchet piece
Step 4: collect paycheck
   20. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: August 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4205233)
But Bud light? He clearly does not care about the beer.


John Lackey hates himself. This is conclusive proof. One Bud Light might be an accident, but two is just self-loathing.
   21. Bob Tufts Posted: August 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4205344)
Lackey may want to travel with the team because he remembers the crap that Ellsbury got from players in 2010 for not being with the team when he was injured.

.

   22. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 10, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4205353)
Does the article mention seeing Lackey actually drinking the beers, or just holding them?

Maybe he was just hanging onto them for Pedroia while he was in the bathroom.
   23. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 10, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4205620)
Also, isn't Lackey traveling with the team a sign that he DOES care?

Doesn't he get Major League Meal Money & a 1st class hotel room that he wouldn't otherwise receive? Maybe he's just a cheap bastard. Or perhaps he likes to "socialize" with "friends" on the road. Seems strange, in any event. I've heard of players out all year checking in from time to time, but can't recall anyone who stayed with a team for every game. Or does Lackey skip the home games?
   24. Tripon Posted: August 10, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4205659)
Does john lackeylay beer pong every night? BecUse that is the only reason to drnt Coors light or bud light.
   25. The District Attorney Posted: August 10, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4205669)
Step 1: spot someone drinking beer in the clubhouse (not an active player? No problem!)
Step 2: recall that beer in the clubhouse was a major story in the recent past
Step 3: through the miracle of JOURNALISM, somehow conflate these two facts into a hatchet piece
It's not just a rehash of a year-old story, because something major has changed since then: Valentine banned beer in the clubhouse. Does John Lackey breaking the rules and having a beer, by itself, explain why the Red Sox are struggling? Of course not. But it's illustrative of a larger issue (which I really hope I don't have to spell out for anybody, although I bet I'll be asked to), and worth reporting.

(This is of course assuming that the ban is still on, that a team member actually was drinking the beer in the clubhouse, etc.)

(And I do agree that it's truly dumb to try to spin Lackey's mere presence in the clubhouse as a negative.)
   26. SteveF Posted: August 10, 2012 at 06:27 PM (#4205726)
Beer is only banned in the Red Sox home clubhouse. Beer is not banned on the road. The home team provides the visiting clubhouse with the post game spread. Apparently in Cleveland, the post game spread includes Bud Light.

I'm not really sure what the story is here. If the story is that a few players are creating a clubhouse atmosphere that detracts from the team's ability to win, and that Lackey drinking beer in the club house is evidence of that, then I'd say that's fairly weak evidence.
   27. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: August 10, 2012 at 07:30 PM (#4205790)
Man, even the mainstream radio guys laughed this off as a nonstory.

And y'all are a bunch of beer snobs.
   28. morineko Posted: August 10, 2012 at 07:53 PM (#4205806)
What pitchers on the 60-day DL aren't with their teams? I've seen Chris Narveson and Andrew Carignan in dugouts this week, and neither of them are anywhere near returning earlier than May 2013.
   29. villageidiom Posted: August 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4206161)
Beer is only banned in the Red Sox home clubhouse. Beer is not banned on the road. The home team provides the visiting clubhouse with the post game spread. Apparently in Cleveland, the post game spread includes Bud Light.

What's the team's home/road split?
   30. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 11, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4206299)
Forget Lackey and Middlebrooks and Ortiz and Bailey and blah blah blah.

This Red Sox team, to me, is really simple: if Beckett and Lester pitch like they are supposed to, this is a 90+ win team, and they are in the playoffs.

Buchholz has been a beast since the end of May. His last 11 starts, he has an ERA of 2.08, isn't walking anybody, BAA of about .200. He's been ace-quality.

Doubront has struggled lately, but how can the Red Sox have possibly expected more from him thus far? He's 10-6, ERA+ near league-average, he's been healthy, and he's struck out 119 guys in 122 innings. He's a 24-year-old lefty who strikes out lots of guys and looks like he can stay healthy, will cost the team nothing for the next few years. He and Middlebrooks are probably the two best things to come out of the team this year.

Morales is a 26-year-old lefty power arm who has pitched very well as a starter this year. Six starts, five of them solid-to-excellent:
June 17: 5 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 9 Ks
June 23: 6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 Ks
June 28: 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 Ks
July 7: 3.1 IP, 6 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 4 Ks
July 13: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 Ks
August 5: 6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 3 BBs, 4 Ks

37 Ks, 11 BBs, in 32.1 IP - and that's including the clunker. 11 earned runs, for an ERA of about 3.50.

If I'm the Red Sox, I'm telling Morales and Doubront that they will start 2013 in the rotation, right from the start. Buchholz is clearly locked in again. Then, I tell Lackey, Lester, and Beckett that they should consider the three of them fighting for two spots in the rotation to start 2013's Spring Training, and that the loser of the competition will start the season in the bullpen (unless one of them is traded this off season).

Then, I start the off-season with Bailey as my closer, Breslow and Miller as my lefties out of the pen, Melanson (who has generally been very good since he came back from Funky Town earlier this year) and Bard as my set up guys, and Aceves as my long man. This is the best way to use Aceves' core skill, which seems to be the ability to throw two or three innings two or three times a week at a quality level. That also leaves Mortensen (who gets completed ignored from all conversations about Red Sox pitching, but has been excellent in short trials this year) and Tazawa (who also been outstanding in short usage) in the conversation.

Again, if Beckett and Lester are doing their job, this is a very good pitching staff, with a low salary impact in both the bullpen and the back of the rotation. Lackey? Well, forget the beer and the big, fat horseface that seems to laugh at the worst times times in the dugout...his problem is that he sucks, and gets paid lots of money while sucking.
   31. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 11, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4206314)
but John Lackey is clubhouse chemotherapy.
   32. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 11, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4206324)
If I'm the Red Sox, I'm telling Morales and Doubront that they will start 2013 in the rotation, right from the start. Buchholz is clearly locked in again. Then, I tell Lackey, Lester, and Beckett that they should consider the three of them fighting for two spots in the rotation to start 2013's Spring Training, and that the loser of the competition will start the season in the bullpen (unless one of them is traded this off season).


I don't like the guy but unless someone blows them away with a trade offer Lester belongs in the rotation. He's a very good to great pitcher having a lousy year.

As for the other two I would agree regarding Lackey. Beckett I would have in the rotation but I think it is 50-50 attest that he's in a red sox uniform in 2013.

The Sox are skipping Doubront on Wednesday which probably makes sense. He seems to be tiring as the year goes on.

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