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Hail and farewell to football games played on baseball dirt

Sunday will close the book on a small but significant era of NFL football: the early-season days when NFL games would take place on the infield dirt of dual-use stadiums.

Oakland’s home stadium — it’s now called RingCentral Coliseum, but you wouldn’t have guessed that if I’d given you a hundred chances — will see its last Raiders game Sunday with the infield dirt from the A’s still in place. Oakland’s next “home” game is in London, and between byes and road trips, the Raiders won’t return to Oakland until after the baseball season’s over. And Oakland is the final dual-use baseball-football stadium still hosting games in the NFL ... for a few more weeks, at least.

That’s a tiny tragedy, if only because it means we’ll never again get the deeply weird visual of a running back skittering out toward right field, a kick returner picking a route right over the pitcher’s mound, or a quarterback rolling out to deep short.

If you’re of a certain age, you remember the era when games across the country were played in squat futuristic donuts like Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium, Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego, Riverfront Stadium in Cincinnati, Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh, Busch Memorial in St. Louis — ugly modernist circles that hosted both baseball and football teams. And since baseball season ran into the opening weeks of football season, even for terrible teams like the mid-70s Braves or the mid-90s Pirates, you were guaranteed to see some beefy corn-fed massive-shoulder-padded monster drive a running back with a neck roll as thick as your thigh into the unexpected russet brown of infield dirt.

Some thoughts on the end of the multi-purpose stadium that takes a much different tone than those linked to lately.

 

QLE Posted: September 16, 2019 at 12:53 AM | 79 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: concrete ashtrays, multi-purpose stadiums, oakland coliseum

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   1. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 16, 2019 at 08:34 AM (#5879536)
Always got a kick out of the team's sharing the same sideline at County Stadium. The lower deck seats had such a narrow pitch, the first base side would've been all obstructed view without the adjustment.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 16, 2019 at 09:12 AM (#5879543)
Unless the Raiders are on the road until November, A's playoffs success could change this outcome.
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 09:17 AM (#5879544)
Unless the Raiders are on the road until November, A's playoffs success could change this outcome.
They are - their home game over that stretch is in London. They have a bye week in there too.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 16, 2019 at 09:23 AM (#5879547)
They are - their home game over that stretch is in London. They have a bye week in there too.

That's a weird schedule.
   5. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: September 16, 2019 at 10:11 AM (#5879558)
When Soldier Field was renovated in 2002 the Bears spent a season playing in Champaign, something no one was really happy about. Maybe if they rebuild Soldier Field again in 2035 the Bears will play in Wrigley and we'll again have the spectacle of NFL games being played on infield dirt.

(Wrigley Field is still 11th all-time in professional football games hosted. Oakland Coliseum is 12th.)
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM (#5879572)
That's a weird schedule.


It is. Road game, road game, London, Bye, road game, road game.
   7. Itchy Row Posted: September 16, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5879578)
The weird schedule was probably on purpose. I've always been surprised that the image-conscious NFL didn't force the Raiders to invent something to hide the infield dirt.

Their next game in Oakland is on November 3, four days after Game 7 of the World Series is scheduled.
   8. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5879581)
The weird schedule was probably on purpose.


But it is possible only because they front loaded their schedule with home games. They have played 4 of 6 games at home this year. If they played one more road game thus far, and had a more normal Oct, it still would be 4 real home games.
   9. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5879585)
In fact, by scheduling this way, they guaranteed 4 games on dirt, whereas the A's making a deep playoff run is far from guaranteed, even moreso when the schedule was first made, and a more normal schedule would have meant only 3, with a possible 4.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5879587)
I'm sure the London game had a weird effect on the scheduling.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: September 16, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5879600)
They've been playing part of their games on dirt for about 60 years, save the LA interlude. I can't imagine it's really something the NFL has tried to schedule around.

   12. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 16, 2019 at 12:04 PM (#5879606)
In a world of billion dollar stadiums and billion dollar franchises, it is amazing that they let a football game take place with a baseball infield showing.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5879609)
They've been playing part of their games on dirt for about 60 years, save the LA interlude. I can't imagine it's really something the NFL has tried to schedule around.
True. I bet they usually avoided having them host 3 of 4 at home in September, but that's about it. And even that was probably so the baseball team could have some weekend home series.
   14. Tin Angel Posted: September 16, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5879611)
For some reason I've always liked how it looks.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5879614)
I think the Jets, Mets, Yankees, and Giants all shared Shea in 1975. But back then the NFL didn't start as early.
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 16, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5879619)
a kick returner picking a route right over the pitcher’s mound
They at least level the mound, don't they?
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: September 16, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5879625)

Shea Stadium:

the Mets in 1975 played their final home game on Sept. 21.
the Yankees in 1975 played their final home game (and game) on Sept. 28.

the Jets in 1975 played their first two home games on the road, with a home opener of Oct. 5.
the Giants in 1975 played their first three games on the road, with a home opener of Oct. 12.

so no scrambling there
   18. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5879643)
So what seven pairs of current NFL franchises have played in the same baseball park or multiplex stadium at some point in their history? Obviously the ballparks are no longer with us.

One example: The Rams and the Chargers have both played in the LA Coliseum, which was also at one point the Dodgers' home field. But there are at least six other such pairings, and there may be more. How many can you name?
   19. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5879646)
Cubs/Bears obviously. White Sox/Cardinals?
   20. JJ1986 Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5879647)
The Jets and Giants both played at Shea.
   21. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5879649)
Jets/Giants and Mets was mentioned.

edit: That was an answer to Andy, not a correction for JJ
   22. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5879651)
Other possibilities are Twins/Vikings, Pirates/Steelers, Colts/Orioles, Browns/Indians, Tigers/Lions.
   23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5879652)
Did the Jets ever play at Yankee Stadium?

The Cardinals were originally from Chicago right, so I'm going Cardinals/Bears at Wrigley.

Also Cardinals and Rams in whatever the football stadium was in St. Louis.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5879653)
Other possibilities are Twins/Vikings, Pirates/Steelers, Colts/Orioles, Browns/Indians, Tigers/Lions.

I think he's asking for two NFL franchises that used a park.
   25. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5879655)
OK, every pair mentioned is correct, so including Andy's gimme, that's 10 so far.
   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5879656)
Bengals used to play in Riverfront.
   27. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5879657)
I think he's asking for two NFL franchises that used a park


You're right. I misread the question. OK, The Bears and Cardinals both played in Wrigley. BTW, The Raiders also played in the Coliseum.
   28. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5879658)
The Oilers played in the Astrodome.
   29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5879659)
OK, I'll stop answering the wrong question. The Browns and the Rams have both played in Cleveland Municipal Stadium. The Patriots and Redskins both played in Fenway Park.
   30. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5879661)
Colts and Ravens both played in Memorial stadium
   31. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:54 PM (#5879662)
The Cardinals were originally from Chicago right, so I'm going Cardinals/Bears at Wrigley.

Correct, although the Cardinals only played there as a visiting team. They played their home games in Comiskey Park.

(And I'm glad I wrote "and there may be more", since I hadn't thought of that one. Apologies, but this is all off the top of my head.)

--------------------------------

The Browns and the Rams have both played in Cleveland Municipal Stadium.

I'll give you credit for that answer, as I know what you meant, but the current Browns franchise is an expansion team.

The Patriots and Redskins both played in Fenway Park.

Right, and BTW they also both played in Braves Field.

   32. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5879663)
Colts and Ravens both played in Memorial stadium

Yep. And counting Tom's sort-of right answer (it was the Ravens and the Rams that played in Municipal Stadium), there are only two more that I'd thought of originally, though that Bears/Cardinals/Wrigley answer likely opens the door to others.

What's interesting is that while the Oakland Coliseum is now the only remaining multiplex, at varying points in time 22 of the 32 current NFL franchises have played home games in either baseball stadiums or multiplexes. Talk about how times have changed. In fact I don't think that any AFL or NFL team from a baseball city had a football-only stadium of its own until Arrowhead and Foxboro came along in the early 70's.
   33. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5879664)
Don't know if Andy is counting this, but the 1943 Steagles played in Shibe Park, and the 1944 CardPitt played in Forbes. The Cards and Bears also shared Soldier Field.
   34. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5879665)
Correct, although the Cardinals only played there as a visiting team. They played their home games in Comiskey Park.


Pro-Football ref lists the Cards of the 30's as playing in Wrigley.
   35. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5879666)
Did the current Houston Texans play at the Astrodome when they first started? If so Oilers/Texans/Astros.

edit: nope, their new park was ready for them.
   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5879667)
Correct, although the Cardinals only played there as a visiting team. They played their home games in Comiskey Park.

Visiting teams can't count, otherwise it's like every team/stadium combo.
   37. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5879668)
The Raiders and 49ers both played at Candlestick Park.
   38. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:04 PM (#5879670)
Visiting teams can't count, otherwise it's like every team/stadium combo.


Andy is wrong. See #34. The Cardinals played in Wrigley from 1931-1938.
   39. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5879671)
If we bring in the CFL we can say the Argonauts and the Bills at Skydome.
   40. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5879672)
In 1959, the Cardinals played 4 games in Soldier Field, their only 4 home games there ever, and 2 in Metropolitan Field in MN, thus qualifying them as sharing a field with the Vikings. In 1960, they moved to St. Louis.
   41. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5879674)
IN 1959, the cardinals played 4 games in Soldier Field, their only 4 home games there ever,


This doesn't really satisfy Andy's original question, though, since Soldier Field was never a baseball stadium (although I guess it was arguably a "multiplex").
   42. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5879676)
This doesn't really satisfy Andy's original question, though, since Soldier Field was never a baseball stadium (although I guess it was arguably a "multiplex").


OK, but that was really just a bonus. They already qualify with Wrigley. Add in The Met, and the years they were merged with the Steelers or Eagles, and the Cardinals shared a home baseball field with 4 different franchises.
   43. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5879678)
Don't know if Andy is counting this, but the 1943 Steagles played in Shibe Park, and the 1944 CardPitt played in Forbes. The Cards and Bears also shared Soldier Field.

I wasn't counting the Steagles or the "Carpets", and I didn't realize that the Cardinals played home games in either Wrigley or Soldier Field. (EDIT: Or in Minneapolis, for Christ's sake. Shades of the Dodgers in Jersey City.) But then the Braves and the Red Sox played in each other's home parks for successive World Series in 1914-15, so I guess the Cardinals ditching Comiskey for a few years shouldn't surprise me.
   44. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5879679)
The Raiders and 49ers both played at Candlestick Park.

Right, and of the original list in my head, that leaves only one missing. And it's a gray area answer, although quite correct in both fact and spirit.
   45. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5879680)
The Rams played a grand total of four home games at Busch Stadium. Their new dome wasn't ready until halfway through the 1995 season, their first year in St. Louis.

I don't know if that answers any trivia questions, but I thought it was interesting.
   46. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5879682)
OK, so who do we have:

Chargers, Rams, Raiders in the Coliseum
Bears/Cardinals in Wrigley
Jets/Giants in Shea
Rams/Browns in The Mistake
Colts/Ravens in Memorial
Pats/Redskins in Fenway
Raiders/Niners in the Stick
Vikings/Cardinals in The Met

any more?

edit: Rams/Cardinals in Busch.

   47. JJ1986 Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5879684)
Why did the Cardinals play 2 games in Minnesota?
   48. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5879685)
Speaking of the "Carpets" (as the 0-10 1944 Card-Pitt team was often called), I've got what has to be one of the weirder (and rarer) game programs of NFL history, a game between the "Carpets" and the Giants that was played in Forbes Field in the middle of the season, that the "Carpets" actually won! At first it seemed like a massive disconnect, but then I realized that it was a midseason exhibition game, a fairly common practice for NFL teams back then, and one that didn't end until the early 50's. The funny thing is that the exhibition nature of the game is mentioned nowhere in the program. From all appearances it looks to be just a program from a regular season game.

BTW for the 2 or 3 people in the world who are interested in early NFL history, I'd strongly recommend an absolute gem of a book, Dan Daly's The National Forgotten League. Dave Kindred called it "pro football's Book of Genesis", and for sheer entertainment value, it may be the best book on football ever written.
   49. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5879686)
I blame the Redskins for seats pointing the wrong way at Fenway.
   50. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5879688)
any more?

Yeah, one more, and it's not easy.

The Rams played a grand total of four home games at Busch Stadium. Their new dome wasn't ready until halfway through the 1995 season, their first year in St. Louis.

I didn't know that, and the 1995 Cardinals home page in PFB-Reference only lists the TWA Dome.
   51. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5879689)
I blame the Redskins for seats pointing the wrong way at Fenway.

I'd be willing to blame anything this side of Pearl Harbor on Louise Brooks' sugar daddy, but Yawkey reconfigured Fenway the year after Marshall moved the Redskins there from Braves Field.
   52. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5879693)
I'd be willing to blame anything this side of Pearl Harbor on Louise Brooks' sugar daddy, but Yawkey reconfigured Fenway the year after Marshall moved the Redskins there from Braves Field.
Yeah, so for the benefit of like 3 years of football, thousands of people at baseball games have had to crane their necks for 85 years and counting.
   53. Greg Pope Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5879698)
I'll give you credit for that answer, as I know what you meant, but the current Browns franchise is an expansion team.

Yep. And counting Tom's sort-of right answer (it was the Ravens and the Rams that played in Municipal Stadium)


Andy, I don't think is correct. Whether you think it's right or not, the NFL officially recognizes the Ravens as a 1996 expansion team, and the Browns as a single franchise that simply didn't exist between 1996 and 1998.
   54. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:03 PM (#5879701)
I'd be willing to blame anything this side of Pearl Harbor on Louise Brooks' sugar daddy, but Yawkey reconfigured Fenway the year after Marshall moved the Redskins there from Braves Field.

Yeah, so for the benefit of like 3 years of football, thousands of people at baseball games have had to crane their necks for 85 years and counting.


I don't know the motivation for that weird configuration, but if you hover over the "(football)" line on Clem's Baseball Fenway Park home page, it looks as if you're right. Those godawful seats down the RF line look like they're perfectly positioned for football, at least for viewing across the field from the end zone to the 10 yard line.
   55. Jay Z Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5879703)
1950-51 New York Yanks and 1956-73 Giants both played in Yankee Stadium.

Polo Grounds was host to pre 1956 Giants, as well as 1949 New York Bulldogs and the AFL New York Titans.

Cowboys and AFL Dallas Texans shared the Cotton Bowl. 1952 NFL Dallas Texans also played there.

Chargers and Rams shared the Coliseum in 1960.

1944-48 Boston Yanks played in Fenway Park as well as other teams.
   56. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5879704)
The Giants and Jets both played for a while at the Polo Grounds. Don't know if that counts as a new entry, since they've already been named for Shea Stadium.
   57. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5879705)
Andy, I don't think is correct. Whether you think it's right or not, the NFL officially recognizes the Ravens as a 1996 expansion team, and the Browns as a single franchise that simply didn't exist between 1996 and 1998.

Maybe so, but that was understandable PC run amok. The current Browns franchise started from scratch, while the 1996 Ravens' roster was a carryover from the 1995 Browns, from Vinny and Byner on down.

But in any event I gave you credit for the correct answer. Now come up with the missing one.
   58. Jay Z Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5879706)
For 1975 Shea, the Giants played a couple of Saturday games mid season. That was unusual. No home Monday night game for either crappy team.
   59. Jay Z Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5879707)
Raiders and 49ers also shared Kezar Stadium.
   60. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5879708)
The Giants and Jets both played for a while at the Polo Grounds. Don't know if that counts as a new entry, since they've already been named for Shea Stadium.

You're correct, but as you say, the Giants and Jets have already been counted. I'm thinking of another pairing.

(Hint: Think of the recent Yankees-Red Sox series in London, where the Red Sox were designated as the home team.)

(And to give away the answer, think again of Louise Brooks' sugar daddy.)
   61. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5879709)
Raiders and 49ers also shared Kezar Stadium.

True, but the SF Giants never played there. That was strictly a football stadium.
   62. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:24 PM (#5879717)
1950-51 New York Yanks and 1956-73 Giants both played in Yankee Stadium.

That works if you consider the Yanks to be the predecessors of today's Indy Colts. Personally I trace the Indy Colts all the way back to the 1930 Brooklyn Dodgers, but the NFL and PFB-Reference only take the Indy franchise back to 1953's second Baltimore Colts team.

Cowboys and AFL Dallas Texans shared the Cotton Bowl. 1952 NFL Dallas Texans also played there.

Right on all counts, but the Cotton Bowl never was an MLB stadium, which is what the question entailed.
   63. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5879726)
While trying to find the answer to this question, I learned that there were NFL preseason exhibition games played at Jarry Park in 1969. The answer Andy is looking for is Rogers Centre, which has hosted a handful of regular season NFL games. The Bills played a few games there, then the Skins played a home game there against the Bills in 2011, for some reason.
   64. Howie Menckel Posted: September 16, 2019 at 04:16 PM (#5879734)
the Skins played a home game there against the Bills in 2011, for some reason.

that was a Bills home game
   65. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: September 16, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5879736)
the Cotton Bowl never was an MLB stadium

No, but Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Charlie Gehringer, Mickey Cochrane, Travis Jackson, Frank “Home Run” Baker and Dizzy Dean all played there...once.
   66. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 16, 2019 at 04:21 PM (#5879741)
that was a Bills home game


Then I don't know what Andy was looking for.
   67. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2019 at 05:53 PM (#5879773)
Here's the answer. The Eastern Champion Boston Redskins were the even numbered year home team for the 1936 NFL championship game, but when ticket sales fell flat, Marshall moved his "home field" to the Polo Grounds, home of the football Giants as well as the home of the baseball Giants, Yankees and Mets.

The 29,545 attendance barely filled half of the Polo Grounds' capacity, but OTOH it was also nearly half as much as the Redskins had drawn at Fenway for their entire regular season. Only the last place Chicago Cardinals had had a lower attendance total, and by the next season the Redskins were in Washington.
   68. A triple short of the cycle Posted: September 16, 2019 at 11:55 PM (#5879860)
Ken Korach: "It's a fly ball to center field... and Rajai glides over and hauls it in at the 40-yard line."

There was a story in the Chronicle a couple of days ago in which a couple of Raiders complained that the infield dirt is too hard and it hurts when they fall down on it. In pads.
   69. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2019 at 03:36 AM (#5879875)
a kick returner picking a route right over the pitcher’s mound

Dallas Braden tackled him.

Cheating ... is there a reason the Frankford Yellow Jackets and Eagles at the Baker Bowl don't count? Is that the same franchise (didn't play in 32)? Of is that not considered NFL although seems to be listed as NFL at p-f-r. (I know as little as possible about NFL history.)

   70. BobT Posted: September 17, 2019 at 03:48 AM (#5879876)
The groundskeepers for the LA Memorial Coliseum in 1960 had to deal with the Dodgers, Rams, Chargers, USC, and UCLA all playing in the stadium in the same season. The schedules weren't too weird. The Dodgers had a longish road trip (15 games) in September and the Rams and Chargers worked out open dates. College football didn't really get started in earnest until mid-September with just 10 games so it all worked out.

The Chargers were not popular at the box office so the AFL decided to hold its first championship game in Houston instead of L.A. (which had been the designated host) because they didn't want to play its championship before 10,000 fans in a then 90,000 seat LA Coliseum.

Jeppesen Stadium in Houston was the site on New Year's Day 1961 and they drew 32,000.

If the current LA Chargers were to host a playoff game, their stadium only seats 27,000.
   71. GGC Posted: September 17, 2019 at 06:30 AM (#5879879)
I always thought that the Giants played home games at the Yale Bowl while Yankee Stadium was renovated and the Meadowlands were built.
   72. Gary Truth Serum Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:21 AM (#5879903)
Cheating ... is there a reason the Frankford Yellow Jackets and Eagles at the Baker Bowl don't count? Is that the same franchise (didn't play in 32)? Of is that not considered NFL although seems to be listed as NFL at p-f-r. (I know as little as possible about NFL history.)

It would only count if the Yellow Jackets are a current NFL team or were the predecessor to a current NFL team.
   73. Manny Coon Posted: September 17, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5880069)
The Rams and Angels shared Angel Stadium for a pretty long time. Rams appear to have shared a lot of stadiums with baseball teams.
   74. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5880100)
I always thought that the Giants played home games at the Yale Bowl while Yankee Stadium was renovated and the Meadowlands were built.

Same here. I had no idea they'd ever played in Shea as a home team. They'd played the Jets twice prior to the Meadowlands, once at Shea in 1970 and at the Yale Bowl in 1974.
   75. GGC Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:08 PM (#5880168)
Yeah, I wasn't aware that Shea was their home in '75. I was following baseball by then, but football came later.
   76. GGC Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:09 PM (#5880170)
Yeah, I wasn't aware that Shea was their home in '75. I was following baseball by then, but football came later.
   77. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:27 PM (#5880258)
you can say that again
   78. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:30 PM (#5880261)
Giants, Yale Bowl, etc
it's a NY Times article with delightfully bizarre typos in the translation to innerwebs
   79. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 17, 2019 at 11:37 PM (#5880296)

Chargers, Rams, Raiders in the Coliseum
Bears/Cardinals in Wrigley
Jets/Giants in Shea
Rams/Browns in The Mistake
Colts/Ravens in Memorial
Pats/Redskins in Fenway
Raiders/Niners in the Stick
Vikings/Cardinals in The Met


Packers played in Milwaukee Co Stadium (3 games a season) from 1954? until 1994. This originated to discourage Milwaukee from seeking an NFL franchise, when the Packers were struggling in Green Bay during the 50s.. They still have two distinct season ticket holder bases. I think they call the legacy Milwaukee package the 'Gold' package. They now get two games and one preseason game. Packers also played games at Wisconsin State Fair Park in West Allis, including the 1939 NFL Championship game. That was multipurpose in a sense, it was/is surrounded by a one mile oval race track.

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