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Sunday, March 03, 2013

Hal McCoy: Arroyo: Call him Mr. Consistent

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Bronson Arroyo spent most of the spring losing an argument with a flu virus and made his debut Saturday against the Chicago White Sox.

“He’ll probably get hit hard today like most veterans do their first time out,” said Cincinnati Reds manager Dusty Baker. “I remember (Hall of Famer) Don Sutton used to get hit hard, real hard. Rich Reuschel got hit hard.”

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WHEN THE SEASON begins, it is a rare day when Arroyo gets beat up and he is as reliable as a BMW starting in the morning.

“To me, he is more reliable than anybody in baseball,” said Baker. That’s because Arroyo has started 323 games without missing a start and has pitched 200 or more innings seven of the last eight years and the year he missed he pitched 199.

“His is a quiet reliability because he doesn’t have the Justin Verlander stuff, doesn’t have the strikeouts. I’ll take his usual 15 wins and 200 innings any time,” said Baker. “And when he gets on a roll, well, he can get on a roll as good as anybody.”

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   1. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 03, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4379674)
The Pirates, of course, DFA'd Arroyo 115 wins ago.
   2. tfbg9 Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4379715)
You don't buy a BMW because it turns over every AM.
You want that? Go Toyota or Honda.

You buy a BMW because you've been seeing ever-increasing clumps of hair in the shower drain.
   3. tfbg9 Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:04 PM (#4379716)
Theo sure screwed the Pooch on the WMP/Arroyo swap.

   4. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:06 PM (#4379718)
@2: Pretty sure that's why you buy a Porsche.
   5. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4379723)
tf

i think you need to get out more often. the 3 series bmw is ubiquitous, especially popular with women.

now, you want to point to the 5 series and above, that's a possible argument to make
   6. TomH Posted: March 03, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4379734)
Arroyo ERAs, last 3 seasons: 3.88, 5.07, 3.74. Sooo consistent. Maybe one reason he didn't get to 200 IP in 2011 was his manager didn't want him on the mound any more after allowing 46 home runs.

But I don't mean to over-snark. Arroyo has been unusually healthy for a pitcher.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: March 03, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4379836)
Wow, that is a heck of a run. I could have sworn he got hurt a couple of years back, I must be thinking of somebody else. Anyway this type of pitcher is quite valuable, probably moreso than we give them credit for. But it also seems that, like Jon Garland and Jeff Suppan of recent memory, this type of pitcher is valuable right up until that one morning when suddenly they're not. (Arroyo does K a bit more than Garland and Suppan.)
   8. PeteF3 Posted: March 03, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4379845)
Arroyo was decimated by mono at the end of spring training/start of 2011 season which appears to have simply thrown him off for that entire year. His stubbornness with regard to not missing any time probably led to the high ERA as well. I'm tempted to give him a pass for that season, especially with his return to career norms in 2012.
   9. TDF, situational idiot Posted: March 03, 2013 at 05:53 PM (#4379882)
Arroyo ERAs, last 3 seasons: 3.88, 5.07, 3.74. Sooo consistent.
Over the last 8 seasons, Arroyo has had 5 worth 2.1 - 3.4 bWAR (6 seasons of 1.6 - 3.1 fWAR) and an ERA+ of 101 - 113 (6 with an ERA+ of 92 - 113). I'd call that consistant.
   10. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 03, 2013 at 06:16 PM (#4379886)
tf

i think you need to get out more often. the 3 series bmw is ubiquitous, especially popular with women.


Indeed. Work a little harder and get yourself a real car.
   11. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 03, 2013 at 06:31 PM (#4379889)
robert

my grandson picked up the 2012 audi a6. i confess that was a fun ride.
   12. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: March 03, 2013 at 09:08 PM (#4379913)
my grandson picked up the 2012 audi a6. i confess that was a fun ride.


I was seriously considering it, but couldn't justify the cost. Got a VW Jetta turbo diesel instead.
   13. tfbg9 Posted: March 03, 2013 at 09:24 PM (#4379915)
I had an certified "pre-owned" Acura 3.2 TL for a year. Then I realized I was driving the thing once or twice a week for $600 combined a month payments and insurance (Hudson County at the time). And this was 10 years ago. Gotta figure that's $750 today.

It was fun to drive. But it wasn't worth it at $70-$140 per spin, know what I mean?
   14. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 03, 2013 at 10:36 PM (#4379936)
robert

my grandson picked up the 2012 audi a6. i confess that was a fun ride.


Those are fun. Good for him.


It was fun to drive. But it wasn't worth it at $70-$140 per spin, know what I mean?


Sure, if you don't really drive then just get whatever. Still, most days my commute is only ten minutes and I'm pretty sure doing it in a X6 rather than a Camry or whatever improves my life. It's just money, enjoy it.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: March 03, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4379938)
"the 3 series bmw is ubiquitous, especially popular with women."

Mrs Howie leases one of these. nice ride, and her dad used to race stock cars in the midwest....


   16. jyjjy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:42 AM (#4379989)
It's just money, enjoy it.

Or do something useful with it that wouldn't be considered nearly criminally extravagant by the large majority of the planet's population, you know, whatever.
   17. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:27 AM (#4380009)

Or do something useful with it that wouldn't be considered nearly criminally extravagant by the large majority of the planet's population, you know, whatever.


Yeah, I'll get right on that chief.
   18. Greg K Posted: March 04, 2013 at 07:21 AM (#4380012)
My knowledge of cars is mostly limited to their colour. But I recently bought a racing video game that uses actual models so lately I've taken to telling friends, "you drive a Citroen C1". I imagine I come off as a child who's just learned how to use nouns.
   19. Lassus Posted: March 04, 2013 at 08:15 AM (#4380022)
Anyone here driven an Audi TT? Curious if it's as sprightly and sporty as my old Honda CRX.
   20. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 04, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4380069)
Honda CRX


Man, I drove one of those once, and I figure if I ever need to drive one again I should probably a couple of months of yoga first. I found it almost impossible to get in and out of.
   21. flournoy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 10:32 AM (#4380073)
Or do something useful with it that wouldn't be considered nearly criminally extravagant by the large majority of the planet's population, you know, whatever.


How can you justify spending the time to read and post on this site? You should be out building homeless shelters and donating food. Get to it!
   22. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4380074)
Man, I drove one of those once, and I figure if I ever need to drive one again I should probably a couple of months of yoga first. I found it almost impossible to get in and out of.


Are you saying you're not diminutive?
   23. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4380076)

Anyone here driven an Audi TT? Curious if it's as sprightly and sporty as my old Honda CRX.


Many model years ago, and it was as fun as all get out. Assuming the spirit of the car is still the same (I'm certain it doesn't share a single part at this point), then it's a great little vehicle.

So, that's not very useful information, but just know that the 2003(ish) Audi TT was a great car.
   24. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2013 at 10:44 AM (#4380081)
as a rule all audis save for their stupid suv version are solid to great automobiles.

the suv is a disaster and heartily discourage anyone from purchase. even audi execs will confess when pressed that it is not a good design and is unreliable.
   25. tfbg9 Posted: March 04, 2013 at 10:55 AM (#4380089)
Bah. Gimee a Honda. Gets the job done, solid as a rock, holds its value. Drives nice.
   26. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2013 at 11:31 AM (#4380114)
tfb

honda is getting passed by the likes of hyundai in its class

the 2012 honda accord is not one of honda's best efforts

   27. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:11 PM (#4380143)
tfbg9 - that's my stance as well (that said, i just bought a mazda, slightly prefer the cx-5 to the crv).
i'd drive a shoebox if the mileage/interior space/price was right.
   28. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:31 PM (#4380153)
Are you saying you're not diminutive?


I'm not a big guy, at the time I was 5'10" and about 190, but I do have long legs. The car sat so low, and there was such a small space between the seat and the steering wheel, that I really had to stand back and think out how I was going to enter the car. It wasn't as simple as sitting on the seat and swinging your legs around.

As for Hyundais I have a 2011 Elantra that I bought new in May 2011, and I ####### despise it. Its the last Hyundai I'll ever own.
   29. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4380154)
i'd drive a shoebox if the mileage/interior space/price was right.


Me too, which is the main reason I bought the Elantra. It was rated well above the Civic and Corolla for mileage, and it gets much worse mileage than the 2008 Corolla I had.
   30. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4380161)
I drove a '97 Hyundai Accent from 9/00-2/11 & would still be doing so if not for a collision that totaled it (stupid 89-year-old driver who apparently didn't realize that a red light means "stop," though at least she had the decency to hit me right in front of the police station). That said, it's the only car I've ever had on which a door handle broke off (on the passenger's side) & the door lock broke (on the driver's side), both at well under 100,000 miles.

The car was a lot better fit when I weighed 100 lbs. or so less (i.e. when I bought it). The '96 Maxima that replaced it accommodates my bulk much better, I must say. If only it were a standard (which the Accent was) ... *sigh*
   31. SoSH U at work Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4380162)
I'm a mileage-above-all-else guy (I kind of need to be, as far as I drive to get to work). I got the 2012 Hyundai Accent, which is meeting my needs quite nicely. (and I even get money back from them since the advertised MPG was mistaken. Fortunately, that seems to be mostly an issue with the city mileage rather than higway mileage, where most of my driving is done). A car has never been anything other than a general nuisance that takes me from one place to another.

   32. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4380164)
Yep. For me, car=transporation (or, on a bad day, the lack thereof), period.
   33. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4380166)
It wasn't as simple as sitting on the seat and swinging your legs around.

Wait, people get into cars like that? I always go right leg first (past the steering wheel), sit down, left leg in. In every car I've ever driven, regardless of size.
   34. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4380169)
Doesn't everyone get into his/her car by jumping over the driver's-side door?
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:49 PM (#4380172)
Doesn't everyone get into his/her car by jumping over the driver's-side door?


Only in Arkansas, Alabama and similar envrions. Dukes of Hazzard-style auto entry never gained a strong foothold in the aggressive northern states.
   36. zonk Posted: March 04, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4380174)
I think I am an enlightened, conscientious, and progressive person in most areas... except cars.

Until Ford ruins it again ala their 80s flops - I will continue to purchase Mustangs, continue to hope to some day have enough money to pop for a Shelby, but in the meantime - be quite satisfied mid-shelfing to the GT.... #### the mileage, #### all the rest... it's just fun to drive.
   37. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 04, 2013 at 01:53 PM (#4380229)
I will continue to purchase Mustangs, continue to hope to some day have enough money to pop for a Shelby, but in the meantime - be quite satisfied mid-shelfing to the GT.... #### the mileage, #### all the rest... it's just fun to drive.

Nice. My brother was a Mustang guy. Bright yellow, special tires, mods, the whole nine yards. He had fun with that for a lot of years. Of course then he got a girl and got old and now he drives a stinking Kia. Willie Mays in a Mets uniform territory.
   38. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:00 PM (#4380240)
Mrs Howie leases one of these. (BMW 3)


Can someone explain to me the logic of car leasing?
   39. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4380241)
I have a 2011 Mazda 3 sedan. Kinda wish I'd gone for the bigger engine, even though I can't justify it at all.
   40. Blastin Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:08 PM (#4380250)
I like subways. I have a license, but I'm glad I rarely have any need for it.

These days my commute is a short select bus ride, though. I miss the flashing blue lights.
   41. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:16 PM (#4380257)
smileyy

there is none other than for folks who like to switch out cars regularly.

there is a great piece (cannot find the link, sorry) about this guy who interviewed dozens and dozens of people from all over the world who had made a lot of money and kept it. all kinds of interesting stories and financial habits. the only constant? nobody leased a car

nobody. and he noticed about a third of the way through his interviews and began asking the remaining people why when they got a car why didn't they lease and the immediate response was, 'that would be really stupid'
   42. PreservedFish Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4380258)
Love my Honda Fit. I was never a fast car guy. I know they're fun, but it seems like you can't legally use a sportscar the way that they're meant to be used. I cruise at 5-6 mph over the speed limit and I pass Corvettes and Mustangs all the time.
   43. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4380265)
zonk

i will tell a shorter version of a longer mustang story. short version is that a buddy of mine inherits a 1966 mustang that he fixes up. the last few bits he has done at a garage and he brings it home all delighted. he then immediately goes on vacation. well he lives in palo alto and the car was parked on the street so first the car gets ticketed and then towed for having expired plates (he hadn't bothered for all the obvious reasons) he's on vacation so the california dmv, in the first and last display of dmv initiative, track down his 100 year old mother in the nursing home demanding she come pick up the car at the impound lot (since the registration was still in his dad's name) so he gets this hysterical call from his mother (while in mexico), calms her down and returns early to get the car. huge dent in the side courtesy of the city. he grits his teeth, pays all the fines, and takes the car back to the garage to repair the damage. the day he picks up the car and drives it home he gets hit by a city dumptruck while at stopped at a stop sign and the car is totalled. (he somehow walked away with just a bump)

so he went from having a vintage 1966 mustang as a remembrance of his dad to nothing. thanks to the city of palo alto

   44. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4380273)

there is none other than for folks who like to switch out cars regularly.


That's what I thought. Every time I see a lease I think "Sure, I'd love to own this property for the period of its greatest depreciation, and no longer!"

That said, buying new is a pretty inefficient use of money if your car is simply utilitarian. But new cars are...shiny! Fun! Not sure I'll be able to break that habit, but who knows as a I grow older.
   45. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4380277)
[43] Welllll....the city didn't park the car on the street for him. But yeah, still a lousy situation.
   46. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4380281)
smileyy

there isn't any law prohibiting street parking (or wasn't). it was the fact the plates were expired so they noticed. i guess if the car had been in his driveway that would have stopped them from towing the vehicle but being on the street was the difference. at least that is what i remember him telling me based on what he was told by the city.

   47. SoSH U at work Posted: March 04, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4380296)
That said, buying new is a pretty inefficient use of money if your car is simply utilitarian. But new cars are...shiny! Fun! Not sure I'll be able to break that habit, but who knows as a I grow older.


I was all ready to buy used when I went car shopping last year. I found the gap between the used car price and the new car price simply wasn't large enough (it was barely noticable) to justify buying a used car.

I don't think that's a permanent sitaution, but fluctuates depending on the state of the auto market.



   48. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: March 04, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4380309)
I don't think that's a permanent sitaution, but fluctuates depending on the state of the auto market.

Crappy economy means not many people have been buying new cars over the last 4 years or so, and lots of people have been looking to buy used. Low supply, high demand...
   49. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: March 04, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4380317)
I have a problem with the Prius. Not that it isn't a perfectly fine car (though the new ones are not as high quality construction as back circa 2009), but that whenever I drive one I just can't help myself from trying to get at least 50 MPG. On the plus side, it means I'll never get a speeding ticket.

I live in a city with a subway, and I have a zipcar membership that I use when I actually need a car. It works out pretty well.
   50. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 04, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4380331)
I was all ready to buy used when I went car shopping last year. I found the gap between the used car price and the new car price simply wasn't large enough (it was barely noticable) to justify buying a used car.

Same here. Plus, I had mileage/size requirements that pushed me toward new + buying a car that's used but not too old, increases your chances of getting a lemon relative to non-sold cars that age.

I love subways, though I think the plan to build light rail by me is stupid.
   51. tfbg9 Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4380393)
I have a 2012 Civic. Its a good car. Pretty good snow car even. Highly recommended.
I used to have a White 1970 Nova, black interior, with a 350 V8 and dual exhausts, fat tires, mags.
It was cool as hell and in good shape, but still a money pit. So I sold it on Ebay. I almost never drive now. Once a week tops,
and now that my dad died, just short little jaunts.

I like cars. Always have.
   52. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4380394)
I found a decent number of good deals on craigslist last year, and ended up buying a used CX-9 that I'm very happy with. Although I live in DC and the economy has been pretty stable.
   53. tfbg9 Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4380403)
Mustangs are girl cars. Except the green fastback one in Bullit. Thats badas$. ;-)
   54. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4380407)
there isn't any law prohibiting street parking (or wasn't). it was the fact the plates were expired so they noticed.


Its an often-overlooked fact that your car has to be registered/licensed to be parked on the street. But I'm able to put that into an "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" buckets. Presumably the car registration is paying for maintenance of that street that its parked on.
   55. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:21 PM (#4380410)
I was all ready to buy used when I went car shopping last year. I found the gap between the used car price and the new car price simply wasn't large enough (it was barely noticable) to justify buying a used car.


From a dealer, or from a private sale? I'm not surprised there's no deals to be had on a used car from a dealer.
   56. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4380415)
but that whenever I drive one I just can't help myself from trying to get at least 50 MPG. On the plus side, it means I'll never get a speeding ticket.


Yeah, that's a fun incentive factor of the car -- MPG shaming/achievement. I recently read an article somewhere that does the same thing with home energy usage -- comparing you to your neighbors and giving you a smiley-face on your bill when you do well. Little things have dramatic effects on conservation.
   57. Nasty Nate Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:28 PM (#4380424)
Its an often-overlooked fact that your car has to be registered/licensed to be parked on the street.


It also needs to have a current inspection sticker - I found out the hard way once.
   58. SoSH U at work Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4380425)
From a dealer, or from a private sale? I'm not surprised there's no deals to be had on a used car from a dealer.


In my case, I wasn't looking at private. I drive 25,000 miles a year, so I was looking specifically for a very low-mileage used car. The price gap betwen new and used in that category was virtually non-existent. I doubt that would have changed much in a private sale, though I could be wrong.

I recently read an article somewhere that does the same thing with home energy usage -- comparing you to your neighbors and giving you a smiley-face on your bill when you do well.


Yeah, they try to shame us almost every month in a usage comparison to our neighbors. Since none of our immediate neighbors have more people in their homes as us, I don't give it a hell of a lot of thought.

   59. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:43 PM (#4380434)
i guess i am a bit thickheaded as i think a taxpayer deserves a bit better treatment from a govt agency than to have his car towed when it's not blocking access nor an eyesore. ticket it? fine. ticket it up the wazoo. but tow it, etc right away? that just seems excessive.

   60. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:55 PM (#4380455)
[59] That's fair. At some point it has to get towed, right? But I don't know how long that was.
   61. smileyy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4380458)
[58] That was my experience with relatively-new-cars from a dealer too. I think to play the cheap-used-car game, you're buying 6-10 years old from someone replacing their car without trading it in.
   62. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2013 at 05:34 PM (#4380492)
smileyy

well, my friend is not prone to hyperbole, he brought the car home on a tuesday, left for mexico on wednesday and by monday had gotten the panicked call from his aged mother and discovered the car was in the impound lot. and people complain about the inefficiency of govt.

best he could tell is the car got ticketed on wednesday and towed on friday. but that's from my memory which on non-baseball, non-financial, non harvey stories is subject to some variance.

it was the last phone call when he told me the car was destroyed that really sticks with me. he was so disappointed. he wanted to recreate this photo he had with his dad from when his dad first got the car where he and his father were sitting in the car all set to hit the highway. he wanted to have his oldest son sitting next to him in the same setup.

yeah, i don't get sentimentality either but it works for some people...................
   63. Traderdave Posted: March 04, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4380499)
Leasing is all about the math.

My wife likes to change vehicles frequently, but of course leaves the $$ part up to me. Over the years I've both purchased & leased cars for her, but good deals on leases have largely gone away. For a while in the late 90's/early 00's the captive finance cos had stupidly high residual value assumptions on their leases and one could score a great deal if you knew how to shop. They've over-corrected that error, at least that's what it appears to me the few times I've sharpened my pencil in recent years, so the last 2 she's wanted I've paid cash for.

   64. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: March 04, 2013 at 06:38 PM (#4380528)
I should have guessed this wasn't 63 posts about Arroyo. Him and Bellhorn were my favorite players on the 2004 Red Sox and I was really disappointed when they traded him for WMP.

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