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Half-million in loot stolen from A-Rod’s car in San Francisco, sources say

A thief smashed into baseball legend Alex “A-Rod” Rodriguez’s rental car Sunday night in San Francisco, making off with an estimated half-million dollars worth of jewelry and electronics, sources familiar with the investigation told The Chronicle.

Rodriguez was in town broadcasting the Giants and Philadelphia Phillies game for ESPN and he left his car on the 400 block of Brannan Street, about three blocks from Oracle Park, sources said.

Sometime between 9 p.m. and 11 p.m., someone broke into a car in that location and stole a camera, a laptop, miscellaneous jewelry and a bag, said Officer Adam Lobsinger, a San Francisco police spokesman. Lobsinger said the burglary involved a private citizen and it’s against department policy to release victim information.

But numerous sources told The Chronicle the victim was Rodriguez and the thieves pilfered roughly $500,000 worth of goods.

 

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   101. Howie Menckel Posted: August 13, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5871137)
break-in to 2nd page
   102. Brian C Posted: August 13, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5871143)
I spent a weekend in downtown Milwaukee for the first time this past March and was surprised by how it seemed fairly nice. That had not been my impression prior, but that's mostly because downtown Milwaukee looks so ugly from the interstate.

Still, I am not surprised to see that their violent crime rate is pretty high. It has a pretty rough reputation, not least of all among people that live in Wisconsin.
   103. Master of the Horse Posted: August 13, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5871147)
102--downtown Milwaukee is really fun. Underrated place. Iron Horse is a sweet hotel.
   104. Brian C Posted: August 13, 2019 at 09:50 PM (#5871157)
Didn't seem as nice as downtown Pittsburgh, but it was way nicer than downtown Cincinnati.
   105. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 13, 2019 at 09:54 PM (#5871159)
Milwaukee, to borrow from the first page re: Chicago, has a few sectors (precincts) of very high violent crime. There has been delightful development in and around downtown, its downtown is really spread out, east to west, which works against it in some ways for travelers/tourists, say compared to Indy's very dense concentrated downtown. A lot of bustling neighborhoods south of downtown (3rd/5th ward, Walkers Point), and on the east side. It is a surprisingly dense city. I lived downtown and adjacent to downtown for a number of years earlier in the 00s, it has a lot going on for it, despite the usual serious gang, crime, urban school problems.

It has always been segregated, well before blacks moved to Milwaukee in large numbers in the late 50s-70s, and white flight emerged. (I think MKE/CHI/NYC/DET are amongst the top 5 most segregated large cities) It was once very segregated amongst various ethnic groups, Italians, Irish, Serbs, Croats, Poles, Germans. Some very interesting organized crime history and violent feuds within the city and with rival gangs in Chicago in the late 19th, early 20th century, nearly all of that was shut down 30+ years ago. Now (since the 70s) the blacks dominate the north and NW side, hispanics dominate the south (excepting BayView) and near south west sides. It is a minority majority city at this point.

Yes, Iron Horse is one of my favorite hotels anywhere.
   106. tshipman Posted: August 13, 2019 at 10:39 PM (#5871169)
Just to echo Baldrick's #72,

Which is to say: the couple folks here posting about the hellscape of SF do not remotely align with my experience of living in the city. It's a very pleasant city, and while there are obviously neighborhoods you'd generally like to avoid at 2 AM, it's pretty darn safe.


It's much more common to run into the type of person who wants to tell you about how awful SF is, and how they're going to leave just as soon as they can than it is to run into any kind of property crime.

Further, the issue with broken car windows is a police effectiveness/caring issue. Police only make arrests in less than 4% of break-ins. It's not that the DA doesn't charge people, or that there's a problem with people being too liberal to care about property. It's literally that cops don't catch them, even when you hand them a video with the interaction.
   107. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 13, 2019 at 11:42 PM (#5871188)
Meh, even the cities that are near the top of all those “bad lists” have their charms..... New Orleans, Baltimore, and Memphis to name three that I really love.... granted, if I’m there on work or vacation - I’m sampling the restaurants, music, sports venues, culture, and history and the like rather doing walking tours of the problem areas but I’ve had multiple fond memory trips to all three.

   108. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:07 AM (#5871190)
Indeed, I almost have always found something to like about any place I've ever visited. Even in Waco, we found a really fun bar after a game, I'll admit that's a place where I struggle to find redeeming qualities. Memphis has a lot of things I've enjoyed, but no doubt its got a lot of warts. It and other cities that aren't 'cool' or mocked are a helluva lot more interesting to visit than Vegas.
   109. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:20 AM (#5871194)
New Orleans, Baltimore, and Memphis to name three that I really love

Memphis, dammit. have not been there. will make a note of it.
have enjoyed basically every other city listed.
except Atlanta and of course Phoenix. thankfully, no one mentioned Orlando? oof
Charlotte is.... probably better now.
have to go back to Vegas on business this fall, but yeah oof. they have simulations of real cities for a reason.
   110. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:55 AM (#5871208)
thankfully, no one mentioned Orlando? oof

My sister lives there - I visited her for the first time this year. Oof was right. I was only there for about a week, but aside from Disney everywhere, nothing really stood out. We just kind of went from chain restaurant to chain restaurant.

I lived in Memphis about 30 years ago - it was great. It's worth going just to go to Graceland. It's kitschy and ridiculous in all the best ways, and as you wander through you hear the Elvis music and realize how many really good songs he had. (Then go to Beale Street and enjoy the live music, and eat BBQ at the Rendezvous. I waited 4 hours for a table there one night with a group of friends - we sat and drank beer and ate plates of sausage and cheese. One of my favorite nights ever.)
   111. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2019 at 07:36 AM (#5871210)
Even in Waco, we found a really fun bar after a game

Don't forget Chip and Joanna Gaines!

(I mean, you could probably go ahead and forget them.)
   112. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 08:06 AM (#5871213)
Seems to me that just about every city has at least one hip neighborhood with great new restaurants and cafes and art galleries and little businesses. Even Orlando, I'm sure. To some extent this is probably a sign that our cities are becoming increasingly homogenized - every city in the country has essentially the same gastropub named "The Parched Swine" or "Hops & Hogs" or whatever with its craft cocktails and house charcuterie, the same adorable little paper store, the same "third wave" coffee roaster, the same microbreweries, etc. But 20 years ago these places didn't exist in a lot of the country, so it's obviously an improvement, as long as they're not killing off whatever authentic local culture survives, which I doubt they are. And when you're talking about Orlando, well, anything is an improvement.
   113. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:02 AM (#5871218)
Sure, but again, how many $100,000 watches/necklaces/rings do you travel with (especially if you know you're going to be leaving them in the rental car)?


I am not worth half a billion dollars, and am not on TV, but I can imagine that both of those play a factor.
   114. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5871219)
Yeah, Memphis is great, at least to visit as a tourist. And Rendesvous is excellent.

I’ve been to Baltimore a few times for work this year and the harbor area is pretty nice. Some other parts of the city seem to be on the rebound but it’s way behind Philly or DC in that respect. A lot of the city still looks like something out of the Wire.
   115. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5871220)
every city in the country has essentially the same gastropub named "The Parched Swine" or "Hops & Hogs" or whatever with its craft cocktails and house charcuterie, the same adorable little paper store, the same "third wave" coffee roaster, the same microbreweries, etc.

but enough about Newport, Rhode Island (which I still recommend. the Tennis Hall of Fame is really more of a historical/cultural museum; no interest in tennis necessary. they did play the US Open there a century ago, or something).
   116. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5871223)
except Atlanta


Atlanta is pretty bad for walking and transit. The Beltline is gradually changing this, and most of the "touristy" places (Georgia Aquarium, CFB Hall of Fame, Coke Museum) are in the same couple of blocks, if that's your thing.
   117. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:41 AM (#5871225)
Seems to me that just about every city has at least one hip neighborhood with great new restaurants and cafes and art galleries and little businesses. Even Orlando, I'm sure. To some extent this is probably a sign that our cities are becoming increasingly homogenized - every city in the country has essentially the same gastropub named "The Parched Swine" or "Hops & Hogs" or whatever with its craft cocktails and house charcuterie, the same adorable little paper store, the same "third wave" coffee roaster, the same microbreweries, etc. But 20 years ago these places didn't exist in a lot of the country, so it's obviously an improvement, as long as they're not killing off whatever authentic local culture survives, which I doubt they are. And when you're talking about Orlando, well, anything is an improvement.


I will - loudly - disagree on the universal quality of microbreweries! Oddly, it's an area where I feel the NE trails elsewhere (not that you can't find any good ones - just that I've always found it surprisingly hard to find memorable ones).

That said - I do think the key really is having some of authentic regional fare. Most cities of any size are likely to have enough of an immigrant population that you can certainly find anything from Ethiopian to Thai to German - but I'm talking BBQ across the belt from the Carolinas through Tennessee into KC and even Texas. Or getting a great steak almost anywhere in the midwest... or seafood on the coasts (split, of course, into the regional delights).

Not to pile on Orlando, but that was my experience there - or rather, what was lacking... Lots of places in Florida - Miami being a notable exception and I'd say the panhandle, too (I love me a good crawfish boil!) and certainly the Keys where you can get some great fish - seem to be mostly built upon family vacation destinations. Understandable, I guess - mom and dad take the kids for a trip, you're probably not looking for the unique but prefer the familiar. Perusing google - the top places in Orlando seem to be imports from elsewhere (ribs, Nashville chicken, etc)... I'm not even talking the fine dining - by all means, show me poutine, show me something deep fried, show me your difference between a grinder, a cheesesteak, a hoagie, a po boy, and an Italian beef.

Vegas is similar - there are plenty of truly outstanding meals to be had, but they're mostly fine dining at a casino.
   118. RoyalFlush Posted: August 14, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5871234)
As Werner Klemperer said any number of times... "Hogan!!!"


FTFY
   119. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 14, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5871241)
( wrong thread )
   120. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 14, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5871242)
Interesting article on homelessness in SF.

In addition to tents, people are living in vans, RVs, hanging out at the airport, etc.
   121. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5871248)

I am not worth half a billion dollars, and am not on TV, but I can imagine that both of those play a factor.

Not that it negates your point, but no way is A-rod worth half a billion dollars unless you're including J-Lo in that total (in which case they might actually be higher). Looking it up, he's supposedly worth $300-350 million, which sounds about right.
   122. villageidiom Posted: August 14, 2019 at 11:57 AM (#5871262)
Seems to me that just about every city has at least one hip neighborhood with great new restaurants and cafes and art galleries and little businesses... To some extent this is probably a sign that our cities are becoming increasingly homogenized - every city in the country has essentially the same gastropub named "The Parched Swine" or "Hops & Hogs" or whatever with its craft cocktails and house charcuterie, the same adorable little paper store, the same "third wave" coffee roaster, the same microbreweries, etc.
See, that's the thing. If the neighborhoods you visit are the "hip" ones, and the "hip" ones all have the same stuff, then how can you estimate that these are not killing off local culture? You are essentially saying local non-homogenized culture is not hip. Would you even notice if it were killed off?

I know the above makes it sound like I'm gunning for you specifically. That's not my intent. Rather, I think many people aren't going to seek something great among the unfamiliar. They'd rather buy the clean package of chemically-enhanced nigh-flavorless strawberries in the nice display at the supermarket chain than to get delicious strawberries from a farm stand. I mean, so would I, given I'm already going to the supermarket for other stuff and I'm pretty sure they won't have run out of strawberries by the time I get there. (And I can pay with my phone! That's hip!) Whether it's merited or not, the supermarket chain is deemed "safer". It's not because it is safer, but rather that it's a known entity. Maybe we should ask the same questions about the products there that we might ask at the farm stand, but the whole place has been set up with a sanitized appearance so as to discourage those questions from coming to mind. It appears to be a safer choice.

The same happens with neighborhoods. There's a suburban "outdoor mall" around here that people love to go to. There are places to shop and eat in the city, too, but people hear nightly reports of crime in the city. It's happening nowhere near the places to shop and eat, and not at a time of day when one would be out shopping or dining. But it's in the city. Somewhere. "Where?" is a valid question. But the sanitized outdoor mall in the suburbs doesn't prompt that question, because it's built to look like an idealized world. Asking and answering those questions about the places in the city takes effort.
   123. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:01 PM (#5871264)
I will - loudly - disagree on the universal quality of microbreweries! Oddly, it's an area where I feel the NE trails elsewhere (not that you can't find any good ones - just that I've always found it surprisingly hard to find memorable ones).


Most all of the great ones are either in Portland or in Vermont. NH sucks, MA is not great, and I don't know if RI or Conn actually have any. That being said, per capita VT has got to be either one or two in the country for good beer.
   124. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:09 PM (#5871267)
It's much more common to run into the type of person who wants to tell you about how awful SF is, and how they're going to leave just as soon as they can than it is to run into any kind of property crime.

Further, the issue with broken car windows is a police effectiveness/caring issue. Police only make arrests in less than 4% of break-ins. It's not that the DA doesn't charge people, or that there's a problem with people being too liberal to care about property. It's literally that cops don't catch them, even when you hand them a video with the interaction.


See, here's the thing. I *love* SF. For some stupid reason most of my friends are *from* SF. The food, the weather, the hills, the neighborhoods ... well, not the tech bros, but most of the time I spent there was before they showed up.

But I'll just say this. I've lived in some shitty places where the BPW was not any fun. Pasadena just off of Lake, back when Redlining wasn't a distant memory. Highland Park (neck stabbing during the Tyson/Holyfield fight). Echo Park (last week I was there there was a random drive by shooting). But I've never felt afraid to leave change in my car ... except in SF.

And that's not even talking about the ####### parking.
   125. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5871274)
   126. Omineca Greg Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:44 PM (#5871283)
I was just in Prince Rupert on my way to Haida Gwaii, and I was thinking about the sort of issues Mr. Fish brought up in #112.

Prince Rupert has about 18 000 people living there, some of the people make good money working for the Port, or CN, or whatever, as trans-Pacific business picks up and the big ports on the West Coast become simply too full of traffic, Rupert has been the beneficiary. There's a good tourism business, fishing and sight seeing, and it's also a busy cruise ship/Alaska Ferry/BC Ferry hub.

Right near the cruise ship port, it's a hip area. Hipper than anywhere in the Omineca, for a 5 block area known as Cow Bay, Prince Rupert looks like a super cool place. And it is super cool, but the part that's really the most interesting isn't Cow Bay; what's most interesting is the arrested development of a hundred year old city that never really took off...until the last ten years. Old canneries, the loggers' bars, the First Nations associations trying to help people keep hold of their culture in an urban surrounding, all these things, while not unique on their own, are really what Rupert's all about. Don't get me wrong, turning a profit from visitors is important too, and as a component of the local culture, just as legitimate as anything, but if you come to Prince Rupert and only visit Cow Bay, you're getting a slanted idea of what the city is. Which I guess barely matters, and as much as it does, it's just kind of sad that people who are interested in getting to the heart of the community are sort of denied that, through the homogenisation of popular culture. "Look a Cappuccino bar! And it's called 'Cowppucino' because we're in Cow Bay!". It's more boring, and more misleading than it could be.

Then again, you have to factor in that as recently as 30 years ago Prince Rupert wasn't making it, the very definition of a dead end backwater, and now it's doing quite nicely, thank you. So who can say anything untoward is going on?
   127. Manny Coon Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5871290)
"And that's not even talking about the ####### parking."

I took a recent vacation to SF and while I drove there, once I was there, I kept the car locked up in the hotel garage and just opted to use Uber for anything that wasn't walkable. Car services are pretty much made for that city, it avoids the hassle of finding and paying for parking and avoids theft issues, and with the distances and hills involved short car trips are often the easiest way to get around and fairly inexpensive; it's a city that is very drivable, but not very parkable.
   128. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5871301)
it's a city that is very drivable, but not very parkable.

When I lived there, people frequently parked overnight on the sidewalk in the Panhandle. (Is it still called the Panhandle?)
   129. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5871315)
I took a recent vacation to SF and while I drove there, once I was there, I kept the car locked up in the hotel garage and just opted to use Uber for anything that wasn't walkable. Car services are pretty much made for that city, it avoids the hassle of finding and paying for parking and avoids theft issues, and with the distances and hills involved short car trips are often the easiest way to get around and fairly inexpensive; it's a city that is very drivable, but not very parkable.

Uber is a godsend around here.

One of the biggest issues in SF for parking is abuse of handicapped placards - they did a story a couple of years ago that showed that the city has issued something like 60,000 placards, when the city only has 30,000 metered spaces. With a placard, you can basically leave your car in a metered space for as long as you want for free, and that's what people are doing. They looked into it and found that there were like 25,000 people who had gotten them by claiming to be over 100 years old, when the documented number of people that age was something like 6000.
   130. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5871316)
When I lived there, people frequently parked overnight on the sidewalk in the Panhandle. (Is it still called the Panhandle?)

It is, and the name has never been more appropriate. It's one of the neighborhoods that has gone downhill in recent years.
   131. Baldrick Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:57 PM (#5871321)
When I lived there, people frequently parked overnight on the sidewalk in the Panhandle. (Is it still called the Panhandle?)

It is, yes. My sister-in-law lives a block away from it. Very nice neighborhood
   132. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:59 PM (#5871322)
What's the opposite of a jinx?
   133. . Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5871325)
I was in SF for like six days a couple summers ago and never saw any of this stuff. Since I very rarely drive in NYC, I took advantage of the chance to drive, so I saw a bunch of the city. (*) The "dodgiest" part was driving from SFO to Nob Hill and then back through the same area from points south like Half Moon Bay, but even that wasn't as bad as advertised. Not seeing it at all. Probably part of the general paranoia that cities are always teetering thisclose to reverting to the "bad old days."

The parking stuff I believe because it was that way in NYC and DC in the early 90s. My car was broken into, conservatively, ten times in three years. Not great, but not a big deal either. Certainly nothing to lose one's #### over.

(*) Wore out a path from Nob Hill to Harding Park by day, then Nob Hill to China Basin and back by Uber three straight nights. With the general drive around to see stuff intermingled.
   134. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5871327)
I don't live near the Panhandle, I know only what I see in the news. The Panhandle is always on the list when they're reporting neighborhoods with the biggest upticks in crime.
   135. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5871328)
I lived in Noe Valley from about 2006-2011, which wasn't so long ago in the life of an average city, although it does seem like a very long time ago in San Francisco. I worked in the city as recently as 2015, and would sometimes drive to work, and didn't have particular concerns about parking my car on the street, nor do I recall my friends or coworkers discussing the matter. I agree that SF"s problems with ugliness and petty crime seem mostly limited to certain areas, and it's generally a lovely city. I did get priced out of it, and I don't really have any friends that remain there, all of them having moved to the East Bay (as I initially did) or elsewhere (as I eventually did). I absolutely loved Oakland, where I moved, although now I'm hearing the same complaints about Oakland as have become common in San Francisco - that it's too expensive and the tech bros have ruined everything. Few neighborhoods have gone as quickly from blight to hipster renaissance to overpriced yuppie enclave as quickly as North Oakland, although I suspect the complaints are overblown and there are still elements of all three coexisting.
   136. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5871333)
I don't live near the Panhandle, I know only what I see in the news. The Panhandle is always on the list when they're reporting neighborhoods with the biggest upticks in crime.

If it's just a matter of INCREASE in crime, that may be more of a sign of gentrification as people who would not bother reporting crime to the police are replaced by people who are eager to report crime to the police.

This is a clear pattern with rat sightings.
   137. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5871338)
the city has issued something like 60,000 placards, when the city only has 30,000 metered spaces


I always wonder how the fraudulent ones get issued....do all these people have a cousin at the DMV? Or do they come from a doctor? And these are blocking actual handicapped people from using the closer spaces. This makes me angrier than it should.

"This American Life" just ran a story about a guy in New Orleans who was going around harassing a landlord by faking quit-claim deeds on all his properties. The landlord called him a "Paper-Stalker", and he was constantly having to go to the courthouse to nullify documents that were faked in the first place. The guy only got caught because he tried to claim FEMA funds for a house that wasn't his. WTF? Forging official court documents isn't a crime?
   138. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5871342)
This is a clear pattern with rat sightings.
I have neighbors who get freaked out every time they see a rat run across our parking lot in the back. I don't get that at all - we live in Chicago. You think you're never going to encounter a rat?
   139. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5871351)
I kinda buried my own lede there. Are people still parking on the sidewalk overnight in places like the Panhandle and Haight? Or elsewhere?
   140. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:05 PM (#5871360)
I can't recall seeing someone park on the sidewalk anywhere in the city, but I'm generally not out in the overnight hours. Maybe it happens between midnight and 6 AM.

I always wonder how the fraudulent ones get issued....do all these people have a cousin at the DMV? Or do they come from a doctor?

I think it's doctors, in the same way that doctors were giving out prescription marijuana cards like candy before they legalized it.
   141. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5871362)
It looks like the area I lived in before spending two years in the Castro is now called "NOPA". (North of the Panhandle) I was on Baker and Grove. Or maybe that's at least what real estate agents want to call it?

That's sort of hilarious.
   142. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5871364)
So, my wife and I will be visiting San Francisco starting on august 25(I am attending the vmworld 2019 conference) and then spending a few extra days in the area after the conference ends. Is the Cliff House a decent restaurant to go to? Kind of want to see Land's End for the ruins of the Sutro Baths and the memorial to the USS San Francisco and the Cliff House is right there. Also plan to go to Alcatraz and on a whale watching tour.
   143. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5871368)
Nopa is also the name of the flagship restaurant in the area, which has been pumping out ace Cal-Med cuisine at high volume for a couple decades. It's the Zuni Cafe or Chez Panisse Upstairs of its neighborhood. They also opened a Mexican cafe, Nopalito, which is totally excellent.
   144. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5871369)
ah, the northern California thread.

attending a family wedding in Napa area next month. if I'm understanding this correctly, SF and Oakland airports are about 90 minutes away? isn't that a lot for a tourist destination? is there a closer airport that I missed? do people do $250 Ubers or something?
   145. Baldrick Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5871372)
I kinda buried my own lede there. Are people still parking on the sidewalk overnight in places like the Panhandle and Haight? Or elsewhere?

Every single parking spot is full in the entire city, at least until you get out into the Richmond and beyond. So yes, people definitely street park.

We lived in Hayes Valley as it was going through pretty quick gentrification. It's right next to Civic Center, which is one of the 'bad' neighborhoods. I parked on the street for three years. My car window got smashed once (not even broken into, just smashed for pure vandalism's sake). You would definitely see broken glass on the streets. So it's not like it never happens.
   146. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5871376)
attending a family wedding in Napa area next month. if I'm understanding this correctly, SF and Oakland airports are about 90 minutes away? isn't that a lot for a tourist destination? is there a closer airport that I missed? do people do $250 Ubers or something?

There's a Sacramento airport and a Sonoma County airport (named for Charles Schulz!).
   147. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5871377)
So yes, people definitely street park... I parked on the street for three years.

No, I meant LITERALLY on the sidewalk. In between the buildings and the cars parked on the street.


I did end up more than once while visiting friends, at straight-in public parking spots, leaving and entering out my windows because I couldn't open the door.
   148. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5871378)
Last I checked, Cliff House was known as a critic-proof restaurant that had little incentive to serve good food, due to the fine location. It's not where I'd want to have dinner, but a great place to have a drink I'm sure.
   149. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5871383)
No, I meant LITERALLY on the sidewalk. Between buildings and the cars parked on the street.


Frankly, from what I experienced, you were much less likely to get towed parking on the sidewalk than parking on the street ...
   150. Traderdave Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:41 PM (#5871393)
Cliff House food is wedding buffet quality. Avoid.

   151. Traderdave Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5871396)
attending a family wedding in Napa area next month. if I'm understanding this correctly, SF and Oakland airports are about 90 minutes away? isn't that a lot for a tourist destination? is there a closer airport that I missed? do people do $250 Ubers or something?



Rent a car. Oakland is the much easier airport to deal with, if that makes a difference.

   152. Baldrick Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5871400)
No, I meant LITERALLY on the sidewalk. In between the buildings and the cars parked on the street.

Ohhhh. No. Never seen that.
attending a family wedding in Napa area next month. if I'm understanding this correctly, SF and Oakland airports are about 90 minutes away? isn't that a lot for a tourist destination? is there a closer airport that I missed? do people do $250 Ubers or something?

Rent a car, or make plans to head up with someone who is renting a car. There are some limited shuttles and things, but they're very expensive and not convenient. It is one of the annoying features of wine country that you basically have to drive everywhere in a location where the main activity is drinking.
   153. Traderdave Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5871401)
Last I checked, Cliff House was known as a critic-proof restaurant that had little incentive to serve good food, due to the fine location. It's not where I'd want to have dinner, but a great place to have a drink I'm sure.


The wine list is quite forgettable, by SF standards.

   154. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5871403)
yeah, I have rented a car. flying into SF, partly because the "post-game" show Sunday after a Saturday wedding is in Burlingame.

Sacramento isn't close, either. I imagine Sonoma airport must be so small? didn't find it in my searches, and the local family didn't mention it.
   155. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5871407)
The wine list is quite forgettable, by SF standards.


Sometimes I'd rather have plonk with an amazing view than a good wine without one, and anyway I'm sure that their hard liquor tastes just about as good as everyone else's.
   156. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 14, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5871420)
Let's see, the Charles M. Schulz Sonoma County Airport has nonstop flights to:

Seattle
Portland
LAX
Orange County
San Diego
San Francisco (what is that, a 5 minute flight?)
DFW
Phoenix
Las Vegas
Denver
Minneapolis (?!)

Pretty small indeed.
   157. Tin Angel Posted: August 14, 2019 at 04:40 PM (#5871422)
I was in SF for like six days a couple summers ago and never saw any of this stuff. Since I very rarely drive in NYC, I took advantage of the chance to drive, so I saw a bunch of the city.


This is classic. "The people who have lived there daily for 10-15 years don't know what they are talking about! I drove around in my car for six days in the wealthy areas and didn't see any of this stuff!" The equivalent of "I spent a week in a hotel in Lincoln Park, Chicago doesn't have a crime problem, totally exaggerated!"
   158. Baldrick Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:30 PM (#5871436)
This is classic. "The people who have lived there daily for 10-15 years don't know what they are talking about! I drove around in my car for six days in the wealthy areas and didn't see any of this stuff!" The equivalent of "I spent a week in a hotel in Lincoln Park, Chicago doesn't have a crime problem, totally exaggerated!"

Alternatively, 'the people who have lived there seem to disagree wildly; here are my two cents.'
   159. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:42 PM (#5871441)
Or possibly, "The people who have spent time in the city disagree with the people who have spent time in the suburbs"
   160. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5871444)
Well, as a guy that moved out of SF 8 years ago, and hasn't set foot in the place in 3.5 years, I can't just dismiss the complaints that break-ins and street feces have increased meaningfully in recent years. This thread is not the first time I've heard it.
   161. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 14, 2019 at 05:53 PM (#5871448)
I believe it. San Francisco seems to be nearly unique in this development happening in a place that is getting richer and richer.
   162. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5871453)
So, my wife and I will be visiting San Francisco starting on august 25(I am attending the vmworld 2019 conference) and then spending a few extra days in the area after the conference ends. Is the Cliff House a decent restaurant to go to? Kind of want to see Land's End for the ruins of the Sutro Baths and the memorial to the USS San Francisco and the Cliff House is right there. Also plan to go to Alcatraz and on a whale watching tour.

Go see the baths and all that. If you want a restaurant that's on the water, I'd recommend Slanted Door, in the Ferry Building down on the Embarcadero. It's a pan-Asian kind of place, the food's great.

Really up and down the Embarcadero there are nice restaurants with great water views. Waterbar, Epic Steak, I love both of those.

If you really want to stay near Ocean Beach and eat, I'd go to the Beach Chalet before I went to the Cliff House. It's not amazing, but it shouldn't be nearly as pricey.
   163. GregD Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5871454)
I live across the bay so no expert on SF. The homelessness is stark as is open injections of drugs in public

That said last year the city was one homicide away from the lowest number since 1963 and is on pace to have even fewer this year.
   164. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:16 PM (#5871457)
When I was visiting SF we rented a van and paid a guy to drive us around Napa for the day. There were six of us so it ended up not being very expensive on a per person basis.
   165. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:53 PM (#5871468)
If this is the San Francisco thread, I just booked tickets for MTT's Mahler 8 final concert. Any good boutique non-batshit hotel or AIRBNB suggestion for late June 2020 will be appreciated. :-)
   166. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2019 at 07:25 PM (#5871476)
Let's see, the Charles M. Schulz Sonoma County Airport has nonstop flights to:

Seattle
Portland
LAX
Orange County
San Diego
San Francisco (what is that, a 5 minute flight?)
DFW
Phoenix
Las Vegas
Denver
Minneapolis (?!)

Pretty small indeed.


thanks for the snark, always appreciated.

it appears that Peanuts Airport doesn't have any non-stop flights from Newark (which is kind of a big airport. if you don't take direct flights from them, well.....).

also, visitNapaValley.com tells me that it's about an hour from Napa - while SF, SJ, and OAK are about 2 hours, and SAC is about 1.5 hours.

looks like I can spend an extra 3-4 hours with a layover to save 1 hour of driving (and the plane ticket costs more). I think I figured out why the local hosts didn't bother mentioning it.

my sister got an airbnb for her large brood in a Bumfock Junction somewhere way out, so I'll stay there Thurs nite, then rack up an insane amount of Marriott points the next 2 nights. there's some sort of wine festival that weekend, so there are no appropriately-priced accommodations within a half-marathon of civilization, it seems.
   167. tshipman Posted: August 14, 2019 at 10:28 PM (#5871540)
When I lived there, people frequently parked overnight on the sidewalk in the Panhandle. (Is it still called the Panhandle?)

It is, and the name has never been more appropriate. It's one of the neighborhoods that has gone downhill in recent years.


1. It's uncommon to park on the sidewalk. SFPD cracked down on this 10 years ago. There's like one guy who does it on my block, but he only does it on game nights and not overnight.
2. Man o'Schwar is full of ####. The neighborhood is great. I live here. If anything, it's filled up with small children recently. It's kind of Noe West these days. Here's a link to where you can check this for yourself. Violent crime in Western Addition is down year over year.
   168. jmurph Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5871605)
Let's see, the Charles M. Schulz Sonoma County Airport has nonstop flights to:

Seattle
Portland
LAX
Orange County
San Diego
San Francisco (what is that, a 5 minute flight?)
DFW
Phoenix
Las Vegas
Denver
Minneapolis (?!)

Born in Minneapolis, totally makes sense.
   169. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: August 15, 2019 at 10:49 AM (#5871628)
Born in Minneapolis, totally makes sense.


Minneapolis is a Delta hub, so that may factor in as well.
   170. Howie Menckel Posted: August 15, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5871631)
looks like Peanuts Airport is mainly for Alaska Air (which is a great airline; I am flying there non-stop from NWK to SF for this upcoming weekend)
   171. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 15, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5871656)
thanks for the snark, always appreciated.


That wasn't snark. Only flying nonstop to 11 places, mostly in the same state, is a small airport.
   172. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5871669)
That little interchange about crime in the Panhandle (#130, 131, 134 and finally 167) has certainly undermined of Man 'o Schwar's claims of local expertise.
   173. Howie Menckel Posted: August 15, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5871695)
That wasn't snark.

ok, I failed to grasp that.
   174. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 15, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5871774)
That little interchange about crime in the Panhandle (#130, 131, 134 and finally 167) has certainly undermined of Man 'o Schwar's claims of local expertise.

I've blocked shipman, so I have no idea what he said. As for the Panhandle, like I said, I know what I hear on the news and read in the papers - reports that, in the city, it's one of the neighborhoods that's had the highest increase in the rate of violent crime in the last few years. I don't spend a lot of time in the Panhandle.

I have lived here for 12 years, which gives me some perspective on life in SF, whether you all choose to believe it or not. I'm fairly certain those piles of human poop I step around on the sidewalks every day aren't imaginary, nor are the piles of glass from broken car windows that line both sides of the streets in many parts of town. Or in my work parking lot, outside of town, where they've had to hire security guards to patrol the lot during the day. And all the news stories, and people in this thread who have corroborated similar experiences, they must be making it up too. In reality San Francisco is paradise, and we just say this stuff to try to keep people from moving here and ruining it.

San Francisco has great art, great outdoor activity stuff, great food, great music, and lots of history. It's also got rampant petty crime, a major homelessness problem, and, on hot days, you can catch the scent of human waste perfuming the air all around you. I think paying exorbitant cost-of-living to be somewhere should buy you a city government that does a better job dealing with that stuff, but maybe that's unreasonable. I guess it's just poop - sure it's on the sidewalk instead of in a toilet, but it's just poop.
   175. I Helped Patrick McGoohan Escape Posted: August 15, 2019 at 06:48 PM (#5871786)
Nopa is also the name of the flagship restaurant in the area, which has been pumping out ace Cal-Med cuisine at high volume for a couple decades. It's the Zuni Cafe or Chez Panisse Upstairs of its neighborhood. They also opened a Mexican cafe, Nopalito, which is totally excellent.


I live kitty corner from Nopalito. That place is indeed totally excellent.

2. Man o'Schwar is full of ####. The neighborhood is great. I live here. If anything, it's filled up with small children recently. It's kind of Noe West these days. Here's a link to where you can check this for yourself. Violent crime in Western Addition is down year over year.


This. I have lived within 4 blocks of the panhandle (3 spots, different ends) since 2009. The area is packed young couples with dogs and (sometimes) kids. The street kids have gotten a bit worse in the past year or so, but I have no concerns walking my dog in the park late at night. I'm more concerned about running into a coyote than I am getting mugged. I'd call it more Hayes Valley East than Noe West, though...

And, Man o' Schwar also likes Waterbar, which is an indictment of his POV.
   176. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2019 at 06:55 PM (#5871787)
I have lived here for 12 years, which gives me some perspective on life in SF, whether you all choose to believe it or not. I'm fairly certain those piles of human poop I step around on the sidewalks every day aren't imaginary, nor are the piles of glass from broken car windows that line both sides of the streets in many parts of town. Or in my work parking lot, outside of town, where they've had to hire security guards to patrol the lot during the day. And all the news stories, and people in this thread who have corroborated similar experiences, they must be making it up too.


Oh calm down. Nobody said you're making everything up, but you're obviously overplaying your hand here, such as making blithe statements about a neighborhood with which you apparently have almost no familiarity.
   177. Bote Man Posted: August 15, 2019 at 06:56 PM (#5871788)
I am flying there non-stop from NWK to SF for this upcoming weekend)

You mean that you are *planning* to fly into SFO. More likely it will be fogged in and you'll be forced to land at Oakland and make your way across the bay.
   178. Bote Man Posted: August 15, 2019 at 07:04 PM (#5871793)
I saw this Twitter thread from last night. Just an anecdotal data point, but there is apparently security video footage in one of the tweets.

Paneez Kosarianfard @paneezkosarian
@GavinNewsom Please watch this video of me getting attacked at my front door less than 72-hrs ago. The man who attacked me was released this morning because the judge, Christine Van Aken, believes that this man is not a danger to our community. PLEASE SAVE OUR CITY!!
   179. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: August 15, 2019 at 07:49 PM (#5871807)
Here is the story with a clip of the attack.

1)Lady gets assaulted by homeless person who is some combination of mentally ill and on drugs
2)Police arrest the guy and take hilarious mugshot
3)He is released without any monitoring two days later because he isn't a threat when isn't high (!) and he will definitely show up at his court date in 30 days
4)NIMBYs flip out and say this is why a homeless shelter can't be built in the neighborhood
   180. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2019 at 07:57 PM (#5871809)
What happens to a violent homeless maniac in other cities? You can't just lock someone up forever. I mean, I guess you can, but I presume it doesn't happen much.
   181. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: August 15, 2019 at 08:10 PM (#5871811)
What happens to a violent homeless maniac in other cities? You can't just lock someone up forever. I mean, I guess you can, but I presume it doesn't happen much.

The article/video says that the DA recommended holding him and if you are going to release someone who doesn't have an address then they should wear a monitoring device.
   182. Baldrick Posted: August 15, 2019 at 08:16 PM (#5871813)
Oh calm down. Nobody said you're making everything up, but you're obviously overplaying your hand here, such as making blithe statements about a neighborhood with which you apparently have almost no familiarity.

I'll go ahead and say that he is 100% making up the experience of encountering "piles of human poop on the sidewalks every day."

I have spent many years of my life walking around SF and literally have encountered this maybe two or three times total over that whole period of time. Maybe I'm just going to the wrong neighborhoods, I guess.
   183. Howie Menckel Posted: August 15, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5871815)
You mean that you are *planning* to fly into SFO.

geesh. my last trip was last month, to Minneapolis, and it got canceled due to weather - as did the whole trip.

I learned from this thread that had I made it, I could have continued on to Peanuts Airport if I was so inclined.
   184. Brian C Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:24 PM (#5871830)
I have spent many years of my life walking around SF and literally have encountered this maybe two or three times total over that whole period of time.

This seems like an underplay, though. I've encountered it that often here in a dozen years in Chicago, which has a much lower homelessness rate over a much bigger area.
   185. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5871831)
I have spent many years of my life walking around SF and literally have encountered this maybe two or three times total over that whole period of time. Maybe I'm just going to the wrong neighborhoods, I guess.


I don't remember much poop from my years there, but brazen pooping seems like a thing that could have just caught on all of a sudden.
   186. Dromedary pretzels, only half a dinar (CoB). Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:53 PM (#5871835)
Way more piss than poop. Can't say I remember poop. But the smell of urine? No doubt.
   187. Tin Angel Posted: August 15, 2019 at 10:02 PM (#5871836)
In order of what I see the most, it's 1) piss/public urination 2) vomit 3) discarded drug needles 4) poop. That's just my neighborhood though, they all have subtle nuances!
   188. Brian C Posted: August 15, 2019 at 10:06 PM (#5871837)
I don't think I've encountered discarded drug needles here. But I'm pretty sure that piss and vomit are common features of just about any place the world over where there is a certain density of bars.
   189. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5871877)
brazen pooping seems like a thing that could have just caught on all of a sudden.
This is the millennials’ fault, right? We can blame the millennials for this?
   190. Baldrick Posted: August 16, 2019 at 12:15 AM (#5871885)
For what it's worth, I texted my sister-in-law (the one who lives in the Panhandle) and asked if she saw a lot of human poop and her response: "I do! It's horrifying!" But when I asked for more detail she said it's more "a couple times a month" than an everyday thing. She also says she's noticed it more in the past year or so.
   191. sardonic Posted: August 16, 2019 at 12:17 AM (#5871886)
I'll add my 0.02. Lived in SOMA in a gentrifying alley (Tehama) near 4th and Folsom from 2013 through 2016, and same neighborhood in 2008. Bay Area resident from 2006-2016. I still go back around 4-6 times per year for work, to see family, etc.

The poop is real, though generally pretty quickly cleaned up. Depends a lot on the neighborhood. Once my neighborhood started gentrifying in 2014 (when we reclaimed the south side of 5th), I could go months at a time without seeing poop on the ground. Living in a sketchy alley for 3 years I had poop on my stoop twice, though the city cleaned it up within hours (Yerba Buena clean team!). My understanding is under the London Breed administration cleanliness has improved. Last year I walked to Taqueria Cancun on Market and 6th and there were tourists there! They took their burritos and ate outside! That was shocking to me.

Needles and heroin are pretty much exclusively in the Tenderloin and Civic Center, and it's not hard for locals to totally avoid those areas indefinitely. Even then one of my best friends lived on Geary and Leavenworth and we'd go see DJs at Ruby Skye weekly in our 20s and stumble home drunk at 2am no problem (RIP you lovable #### hole).

I would not highly recommend Waterbar, but I will stick up for dollar oysters and a beautiful view at happy hour. It's perfectly fine food, and you're paying for the view.

The car break ins are a scourge, and I can sympathize with where Man o Schwear is coming from. I do think he's exaggerating it a bit, but it does seem kind of nuts to me that with all the resources we put into the city we can't do a better job. I had read some stuff around when I left about housing first programs thwr were promising. Also that the homeless population spiked in the 80s and 90s due to a variety of factors, and that nationally the population is decreasing once society is adjusted. The did give me a bit of hope that over time demographically the problem would lessen, though it is morbid tj basically acknowledge that the current homeless dying out as they age is what is going t in make things better
   192. tshipman Posted: August 16, 2019 at 12:39 AM (#5871893)
The car break ins are a scourge, and I can sympathize with where Man o Schwear is coming from. I do think he's exaggerating it a bit, but it does seem kind of nuts to me that with all the resources we put into the city we can't do a better job.


So like, this is totally true, but it's not a "SF so liberal" problem (which was his diagnosis).

The problem appears to be with the cops. Arrests are made only 4% of the time, despite car vandalism being under-reported. Comparable figures in other cities are at about 12%.

It can't be the DA's/lawmakers' fault if there are never arrests made.
   193. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: August 16, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5871960)
The problem appears to be with the cops. Arrests are made only 4% of the time, despite car vandalism being under-reported. Comparable figures in other cities are at about 12%.

San Francisco has fewer police officers now than it did 10 years ago and the population has increased about 10% in that time period. Breed has acknowledged that there aren’t enough officers and blames the Board of Supervisors for wanting more officers, but not wanting to pay for them.
   194. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 16, 2019 at 01:09 PM (#5871973)
brazen pooping seems like a thing that could have just caught on all of a sudden.

This is the millennials’ fault, right? We can blame the millennials for this?

Nah, definitely a Boomer thing. See, when you get old, you have neither as much control nor as much awareness of what your guts are doing. You think you're fine, and suddenly, out of nowhere, you just gotta go.

No, I've never been to San Francisco. That I recall.
   195. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: August 16, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5871989)
The car break ins are a scourge

I handle criminal appeals in the Bay Area, so here's a fun fact: in jury selection, jurors are typically asked if they or anyone they know have been the victim of a crime. But local judges have started saying some version of "OK, except auto burglary" because literally every person on the jury panel has had their car broken into, or knows someone who has.

I've lived in the Tenderloin for about 15 years, and yes this is where the sidewalks are paved with poop (also anyplace next to a large car or truck that blocks the view from oncoming traffic on a one-way street - watch your step!). It's totally normal to see someone shooting up or smoking crack as I walk down to the farmer's market or my BART station. But although there might be a guy gesticulating wildly and (apparently) arguing with a garbage can, or several tents set up on the sidewalk, it's never felt menacing or threatening. There's a lot of crazy out there (especially now, when it's hot for SF) but I've not experienced random threats or assaults. The street-crazies seem much more interested in getting and staying high than in hassling non-street-crazies. And the city is slowly, grudgingly, figuring out ways to have public toilets nearby with someone always present to make sure "occupants" aren't just shooting up / dying in there. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.
   196. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: August 16, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5871990)
This seems like an underplay, though. I've encountered it that often here in a dozen years in Chicago, which has a much lower homelessness rate over a much bigger area.


Actual pooping as it occurs? Or poops that you think look more like human poop than dog poop?

I've seen enough public urination to last a lifetime.... but them's the breaks if you're within walking distance of Wrigley.
   197. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 16, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5871999)
But although there might be a guy gesticulating wildly and (apparently) arguing with a garbage can
There's a guy in my neighborhood who really does not get along with the mailbox. In fairness, sometimes the mailbox can be a real #######.
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