Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Monday, January 07, 2008

Hall is lacking without O’Neil

I was reminded of all this with the release of The Mitchell Report on performance-enhancing drugs in baseball, and with the discussion of whether Roger Clemens and/or Barry Bonds should or would eventually go into the Hall of Fame.

Because, for now at least, I have difficulty getting worked up about Hall of Fame discussions or ignoring the fact that the Hall has jumped the shark. Buck O’Neil is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame; Barney Dreyfuss soon will be. And we’re supposed to take this institution seriously?

You probably aren’t familiar with Dreyfuss, which is entirely the point. He was the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates from 1900-32, which has utterly no relevance to modern baseball fans, but didn’t prevent the Veterans Committee from electing him a couple weeks ago.

Dreyfuss’ fellow members in the Class of 2008: Bowie Kuhn, Walter O’Malley, Billy Southworth and Dick Williams. Each of these men played a role in the history of the game, but it’s likely that nobody ever paid a single cent to watch a baseball game because of them.

O’Neil, on the other hand, rekindled a love for baseball in countless people. Yet when a special committee elected 17 Negro Leagues figures to the Hall in 2006 - the final election of people from the Negro Leagues - they didn’t see fit to honor Buck O’Neil.

Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 07, 2008 at 02:42 PM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: hall of fame, negro leagues, royals, steroids

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. AROM Posted: January 07, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2662299)
Saw the headline and thought somebody was making a case for Paul O'Neill.
   2. Zach Posted: January 07, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2662309)
Earlier this year, the Hall announced the creation of the Buck O'Neil Lifetime Achievement Award, also known as the "Boy, Did We Screw Up By Not Electing Him" Award.

You have to feel the Hall's pain on this one. They obviously wanted to honor O'Neil. They set up the blue-ribbon committee to elect Negro Leaguers, they created the award when O'Neil didn't get elected. They put some thought into the award -- it rewards people who otherwise might fall through the very crack O'Neil fell through.

The problem is, you'd need something like the blue-ribbon committee to elect O'Neil. He played and managed too long ago, and there's no special category for creating a baseball museum and nurturing a forgotten piece of history. But then the committee went nuts. It elected lots of marginal candidates and passed over O'Neil.

Blame the committee, not the Hall.
   3. Guts Posted: January 07, 2008 at 04:06 PM (#2662312)
Saw the headline and thought somebody was making a case for Paul O'Neill.

Me too. That would have been right in line with a lot of the ballots discussed here....
   4. BFFB Posted: January 07, 2008 at 04:06 PM (#2662313)
Saw the headline and thought somebody was making a case for Paul O'Neill


This was my immediate reaction o_O
   5. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 07, 2008 at 04:56 PM (#2662350)
Something does not have to have "relevance" to "modern" anything to be important. That goes for the HOF--which is a flipping museum--as much as anything else.
   6. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 07, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#2662372)
I thought this article was a nice, balanced mix between good points and stupid ones. The bit about the proper role of the Hall being undefined (and the consequences thereof) is a good one. The bit about Dreyfuss lacking relevance for the modern fan is pretty lame, considering Dreyfuss's role in the creation of the World Series. The gut-level pro-O'Neill reaction as a response to the steroid issue is... unexpected, and kind of interesting. Certainly more so than many columnists' reactions.
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 07, 2008 at 08:54 PM (#2662670)
Dreyfuss’ fellow members in the Class of 2008: Bowie Kuhn, Walter O’Malley, Billy Southworth and Dick Williams. Each of these men played a role in the history of the game, but it’s likely that nobody ever paid a single cent to watch a baseball game because of them.


I don't know - Billy Southworth hit .297 over a 13-year playing career. There must have been some kid whose favorite player was Southworth, and got his family to go to the park to see him play...

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
greenback wants the dh
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 8-30-15
(32 - 4:10pm, Aug 30)
Last: Harveys Wallbangers

NewsblogVin Scully: 2016 Will Be Final Season in Booth for Dodgers - The New York Times
(16 - 4:10pm, Aug 30)
Last: Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com

NewsblogTom Werner: Don Orsillo ousted to 're-energize' Boston Red Sox broadca - Boston Red Sox Blog - ESPN
(6 - 4:06pm, Aug 30)
Last: Darren

NewsblogMadden: It's panic in the owner's box season in baseball - NY Daily News
(13 - 3:59pm, Aug 30)
Last: Harveys Wallbangers

NewsblogOT: NFL/NHL thread
(12830 - 3:56pm, Aug 30)
Last: DA Baracus

NewsblogFan dies in fall from upper deck at Turner Field | www.ajc.com
(31 - 3:39pm, Aug 30)
Last: Hysterical & Useless

NewsblogOT: Soccer August 2015
(570 - 3:24pm, Aug 30)
Last: Mefisto

NewsblogHow Nathan Eovaldi evolved into Yankees’ possible playoff ace | New York Post
(14 - 2:32pm, Aug 30)
Last: ReggieThomasLives

NewsblogOTP - August 2015: Meet the … Baseball Owner Funding the 2016 Campaign ...
(4650 - 1:51pm, Aug 30)
Last: Rickey! something like a pipe-bomb ready to blow

NewsblogThe Pyramid Rating System: JAWS on a Career Scale – The Hardball Times
(101 - 1:37pm, Aug 30)
Last: Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB)

NewsblogLuis Severino the starter the Yankees can trust the most | New York Post
(7 - 12:11pm, Aug 30)
Last: Chris Fluit

NewsblogMariners fire general manager Jack Zduriencik
(58 - 11:33am, Aug 30)
Last: greenback wants the dh

NewsblogRangers Minor League Insider: Profar could be option in September | The Star-Telegram
(2 - 11:15am, Aug 30)
Last: Cargo Cultist

NewsblogIts OK to have the hots for baseball players: A Manifesto
(43 - 8:51am, Aug 30)
Last: boteman asks Where's My Ring?

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 8-29-15
(43 - 12:36am, Aug 30)
Last: Dan

Page rendered in 0.1896 seconds
44 querie(s) executed