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Monday, December 17, 2007

Halos Heaven: The Dan Haren Trade: Glass Half Empty for the Angels

Breaking down the Haren deal with the good Rev.

The analysis adds four of the players acquired in the Haren trade as firmly entrenched in the Joakland Top Ten prospects. Many pundits have given Outfielder Carlos Gonzalez a Carlos Beltran ceiling, and author Kevin Goldstein (the John Sickels of subscriber shakedown baseball websites) slots him as the #2 prospect for the She-Wolffs, implying that there is more than just an outside chance that Gonzalez will be the opening day centerfielder under Mount Davis. He calls lefty Brett Anderson the best teenage pitching prospect in baseball. Position players Chris Carter and Aaron Cunningham are #5 and #7 prospects respectively in Goldstein’s very educated guesstimation.

This is NOT rebuilding. Billy Beane reloaded.

...The Dan Haren trade should give Angel fans the queasy tension that early season games against the Athletics are of double import - Billy Beane’s team cannot be allowed to sniff first place in midsummer. Complicating matters even more is the pathetic state of the Mariners and Rangers. Talk about the Green and Gold cakewalk - we all know that had the Mariners simply played .500 ball against Choakland in 2006 that the division crown would have comfortably rested in L.A. of Anaheim. With these two gelded inbred franchises being allowed on the field, there is no end to what the Connie Mack Attack can achieve in the A.L. West standings in 2008.

In other words, pop that bottle on New Year’s Eve for the new year, not October.

Repoz Posted: December 17, 2007 at 12:06 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angels, arizona, athletics

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   1. lincarnate Posted: December 17, 2007 at 12:50 AM (#2647488)
I had no idea there were that many pejorative nicknames for the Athletics.
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: December 17, 2007 at 01:04 AM (#2647492)
seriously.
in that excerpt alone we have: Choakland, the She-Wolffs, Joakland, and Connie Mack Attack

without any malice, i'll try to come up with a few more:
the Halfletics, Smokeland, the Smellephants, the Oakland A'ss, the Green and Mold, the Baked Beanes, the Gaffe-letics,

and for the 15-yr olds out there, the Oakland Gays
   3. Greg (U)K Posted: December 17, 2007 at 01:05 AM (#2647493)
Am I the only one who's confused as to what he means by "re-loading" and "re-building"?

Oakland looks like they got quite a good haul for Haren, but for it to be "re-loading" doesn't the trade have to make Oakland competitive in 2008? I actually really like Aaron Cunningham and Chris Carter, but they're not doing anything for Oakland in 2008. And teenage pitching prospects are good, but don't do much for 2008.

I think he means to say that Oakland didn't just rebuild, but did a VERY GOOD job of rebuilding with this trade.

Unless I'm totally out to lunch on what "re-loading" means
   4. Justin 'The Cespedobear' T Posted: December 17, 2007 at 01:16 AM (#2647505)
He seems to think that by having the best teenage lefty in the low minors, the A's are set to contend next season. And he also seems to think one's prospect ranking in an organization is determined by how close a player is to playing well in the major leagues. It's a very silly blogpost by a very big jackoff.
   5. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 17, 2007 at 01:33 AM (#2647515)
Ahh...

Mat is playing devil's advocate here, methinks.

The Halos will handily win the division in 2008, but 2009 will be tougher - all things being equal.

2010 forward, those young A's will be making a big difference while the Halos are paying Hunter and Matthews a good haul to completely suck. Good trade for the A's in my opinion.

Also, I thought the nicknames were a little silly as well - the Connie Mack Attack? Seriously?
   6. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: December 17, 2007 at 02:22 AM (#2647532)
As an A's fan, I'm don't really know what to make of this.

On the one hand, I'd expect the Rev to be going into a full blown HEY HEY, HEY HEY, THE CHOAKLAND GAYS DO SUCK TO-DAY mode, but he's not really doing that here.

Then again, all those stupid nicknames are present so he's still Revvin like he's always Revved.


Really, if I were an Angels fan, I'd be basking in the glow of the foregone 2008 AL West race right about now. I mean, maybe Seattle gives em a run. Or something. Possibly.

But really probably not.
   7. Rich Rifkin I Posted: December 17, 2007 at 03:15 AM (#2647560)
"Choakland, the She-Wolffs, Joakland, and Connie Mack Attack ... the Halfletics, Smokeland, the Smellephants, the Oakland A'ss, the Green and Mold, the Baked Beanes, the Gaffe-letics ... the Oakland Gays"

Fortunately, we who are A's fans have a far more stinging perjorative for that other team: The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

Sorry, I know that hurts. I feel your pain.
   8. Fred C. Dobbs Posted: December 17, 2007 at 03:49 AM (#2647581)
I picture him writing this in front of his computer while wearing cool 80's shades and smirking about how clever he is.
   9. Kyle S Posted: December 17, 2007 at 03:52 AM (#2647587)
Isn't Clayton Kershaw still a teenager? I'd put him a ways above Brett Anderson. Also, if CarGo (*beep beep*) indeed is the CF of the A's next year, they might even miss Mark Kotsay.
   10. Jeff K. Posted: December 17, 2007 at 04:50 AM (#2647650)
I stopped reading at "Joakland", though I see from the comments that there's more. I'll take "Ways I can make people immediately dismiss anything I have to say" for $200, Alex.
   11. Champions Table Posted: December 17, 2007 at 05:03 AM (#2647670)
The answer is: Still using that tired Jeopardy! joke format in 2007.
   12. Danny Posted: December 17, 2007 at 05:14 AM (#2647677)
Isn't Clayton Kershaw still a teenager? I'd put him a ways above Brett Anderson.

Goldstein didn't actually say Anderson was the the best teenage pitching prospect. He said Anderson was the most polished teenager with the best chance of actually having a career.
   13. still hunting for a halo-red october (in Delphi) Posted: December 17, 2007 at 07:38 AM (#2647721)
Number 7, you'll definitely feel our pain when your team becomes the "Silicon Valley Athletics at Fremont."
   14. Halofan Posted: December 17, 2007 at 08:11 AM (#2647723)
I thought Repoz, of all people, would at least get the Bad Religion reference sandwiching the "Connie Mack" line, but it is from the 1st album, so maybe not...
   15. sardonic Posted: December 17, 2007 at 08:12 AM (#2647725)
That post is the most pre-emptive reverse jinx I've ever seen.
   16. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: December 17, 2007 at 08:41 AM (#2647730)
I don't think even I would have done it!
   17. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: December 17, 2007 at 02:03 PM (#2647755)
Well, we know where Backlasher gets his jokes now!
   18. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 17, 2007 at 02:20 PM (#2647762)
BL has much better material then this asshat. This guy could have never come up with classics like "Jack Crust" and "Drederick Barton"

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