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Hank Aaron: Modern bigots ‘wear starched shirts and neckties’

Guess he hasn’t seen John Rocker wearing his WND-breaker.

Baseball legend Hank Aaron, 80, acknowledged race relations have changed since his threat-filled days chasing Babe Ruth’s home run record — but said modern tormenters still exist wearing suits and ties instead of KKK hoods.

“We can talk about baseball. Talk about politics. Sure this country has a black president, but when you look at a black president, President Obama is left with his foot stuck in the mud from all of the Republicans with the way he’s treated,” Mr. Aaron told USA Today.

He went on, expressing both the good and bad of where race relations in the United States now stand: “We have moved in the right direction, and there have been improvements, but we still have a long ways to go in the country.

“The bigger difference is that back then they had hoods. Now they have neckties and starched shirts,” he said.

...Mr. Aaron told USA Today he saved such letters “to remind myself that we are not that far removed from when I was chasing the record. If you think that, you are fooling yourself. A lot of things have happened in this country but we have so far to go. There’s not a whole lot that has changed.”

Mr. Aaron said just look to the baseball fields nowadays for proof.

“When I first started playing, you had a lot of black players in the major leagues,” he said, USA Today reported. “Now you don’t have any. (7.7 percent of big-leaguers last season). So what progress have we made? You try to understand, but we’re going backward.”

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   1. Spectral Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:29 AM (#4681699)
“When I first started playing, you had a lot of black players in the major leagues,” he said, USA Today reported. “Now you don’t have any. (7.7 percent of big-leaguers last season). So what progress have we made? You try to understand, but we’re going backward.”

This is clearly a result of racism. The dearth of white NBA basketball players must also be racism. Right, or no?
   2. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4681705)
For the record, heavily starched shirts suck so maybe we should wonder about those who wear them.
   3. Jerry Lumpe Rutherford (Dan Lee) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:38 AM (#4681709)
That was my initial reaction. Who the heck wears starched shirts in 2014?
   4. bookbook Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:40 AM (#4681712)
Hank Aaron is probably not wrong. There's been a marked increase in coded--and sometimes not so coded--racism in our political discourse, and find the studies where identical experience doesn't get job interviews because of a "black" name on The resume disturbing, to say the least.

However, I'm not sure 8% blacks in MLB vs a 12% black population is convincing evidence of racism. What percentage of MLB players aren't US-born? If it's a third or more, the broad population statistics don't strongly support the claim.

I also live on a coast, and sense that my kids and their associates don't really grok what it was like thirty years ago. There is real progress, and more to come.
   5. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4681719)
What do you consider a "black" name on a resume, bookbook?
   6. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:02 AM (#4681733)
What do you consider a "black" name on a resume, bookbook?


From a simple Google search, it looks like Lakisha and Jamal
   7. Shredder Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:02 AM (#4681734)
This is clearly a result of racism. The dearth of white NBA basketball players must also be racism. Right, or no?
Meanwhile, black participation in the NHL has increased 1,590% in the last thirty years.
   8. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4681752)
There is a clear bias against names people assume are black when applying to jobs, unfortunately.

And I absolutely have no clue how bad it was before my time. Most of the racism I've faced has been coded. It's a hell of a lot better than fearing for my safety, but it's insidious and unpleasant nonetheless.

   9. Shredder Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4681758)
From a simple Google search, it looks like Lakisha and Jamal
I'm kind of assuming this was Jason's attempt to play the "you're the real racist!" game.
   10. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4681759)
What do you consider a "black" name on a resume, bookbook?


"Weezy" is gender-neutral.
   11. McCoy Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4681766)
That was my initial reaction. Who the heck wears starched shirts in 2014?


Me. If you're spending good money on a shirt it should sit where it is supposed to sit.
   12. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:34 AM (#4681767)
What do you consider a "black" name on a resume, bookbook?


Blake
Denise
Aaron
   13. Jerry Lumpe Rutherford (Dan Lee) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4681777)
Got it, McCoy. I've solved that whole problem by only spending Turkish lira on shirts.

edit to add: Oh crap, Epstein is here. Err, I mean, I spend Zimbabwean dollars. Not Turkish lira. Whew.
   14. McCoy Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4681784)
Alas, I spend the English pound on shirts.
   15. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4681785)
There really has been an upswing in anti-minority politics through the West as of late. This goes beyond the US. That party to the right of UKIP (BNP?) is expected to do well, France and Hungary are in the throes of anti-immigation/semitic/Islam parties. This after the TEA party and the drives against Hispanic immigrants and voting rights (mostly effecting minorities) here.

Bad economies = far right parties.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4681787)
White guys have names like "Lenny", black guys have names like "Carl."
   17. Canker Soriano Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4681790)
Denise? I've known and worked with about a dozen Denises (Denisii?). All white, except for 2 Asians.
   18. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4681793)
I'm kind of assuming this was Jason's attempt to play the "you're the real racist!" game.

Actually, I was hoping someone would lighten the mood by quoting from Eddie Murphy's old show:
Thurgood: Ahem. Yeah, I'm here to pick up some winter supplies.

HUD Woman: Winter supplies come in July. Next!

Thurgood: Hey, hold on now. Oh, hi, Mrs. Stubbs. I didn't see you standing there. Girl, you're lookin' good.

Muriel: Well, thank you. And how are your kids?

HUD Woman: You know, Lasagna had dectuplets. But you don't see her on Time magazine with her teeth all fixed.

Muriel: Congratulations. What are their names?

HUD Woman: There's Rwanda, Dorito, Rolex, Neutragena, Teflon, DKNY, Lexus, Dyslexus, Dentyne, and Absorbine Jr. So what brings you here, Mrs. Stubbs?
   19. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:52 AM (#4681794)
Who the heck wears starched shirts in 2014?

Bigots.
   20. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4681798)
Bad economies = far right and left parties.

FTFY

EDIT: EU Observer: Far-left set for big gains in European Parliament elections

Europe's far-left is set to almost double its deputies in the upcoming European Parliament elections in May.

Poll predictions indicate that the European United Left/Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) group is set to become the parliament's third or fourth largest group, with the number of deputies rising from the current 35 to around 60.

At third place, it would replace the liberals (ALDE), behind the centre-left S&D and centre-right EPP.

Among the far-left hopefuls are candidates from Italy, Greece and France.
   21. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4681801)
Denise? I've known and worked with about a dozen Denises (Denisii?). All white, except for 2 Asians.


all of those names were from a Key and Peele sketch (inner city substitute teacher coming out to the suburbs and taking roll)

Blake pronounced Buh-la-key
Aaron pronounced A-A-ron
Denise pronounced De-Nice
   22. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4681805)
France and Hungary are in the throes of anti-immigation/semitic/Islam parties.


Strange Bedfellows: Hungarian Far-Right Jobbik Party Embraces Muslim Nations, Seeks 'Eurasian' Ideal Of Statehood

You were saying, Krusty?
   23. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4681807)
You ain't in the chess club. Maybe the mosquito bite club.
   24. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4681825)
There is a clear bias against names people assume are black when applying to jobs, unfortunately.

Since the typical BTF response to that usually amounts to little more than ignorant snarking, you might want to know that this sort of bias has been tested by a pair of profs at the University of Chicago and MIT.

Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?

Research by Marianne Bertrand

Though racial inequality in the U.S. labor market is understood as a persistent problem even today, it has been difficult to measure how such discrimination works. Do employers actively discriminate against African-American job applicants? Can such discrimination be proven? What is the effect of improved credentials for African-Americans? A new study offers the answers.

For most job applicants, getting called for an interview is the first major step towards getting a job. But what if that call never comes? Can the name listed on a resume and the perceptions of race implied by this name hinder an applicant's chances before even getting his or her foot in the door?

In the study "Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?" Marianne Bertrand, an associate professor at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business, and Sendhil Mullainathan of Massachusetts Institute of Technology use a field experiment to measure the extent of race-based job discrimination in the current labor market.

From July 2001 to May 2002, Bertrand and Mullainathan sent fictitious resumes in response to 1,300 help-wanted ads listed in the Boston Globe and the Chicago Tribune. They used the callback rate for interviews to measure the success of each resume. Approximately 5,000 resumes were sent for positions in sales, administrative support, clerical services, and customer service. Jobs ranged from a cashier at a store to the manager of sales at a large firm.

The catch was that the authors manipulated the perception of race via the name of each applicant, with comparable credentials for each racial group. Each resume was randomly assigned either a very white-sounding name (Emily Walsh, Brendan Baker) or a very African-American-sounding name (Lakisha Washington, Jamal Jones).

The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names. Applicants with white names need to send about 10 resumes to get one callback, whereas applicants with African-American names need to send about 15 resumes to achieve the same result.

In addition, race greatly affects how much applicants benefit from having more experience and credentials. White job applicants with higher-quality resumes received 30 percent more callbacks than whites with lower-quality resumes. Having a higher-quality resume has a much smaller impact on African-American applicants, who experienced only 9 percent more callbacks for the same improvement in their credentials. This disparity suggests that in the current state of the labor market, African-Americans may not have strong individual incentives to build better resumes.

"For us, the most surprising and disheartening result is seeing that applicants with African-American names were not rewarded for having better resumes," says Bertrand.

Statistically, the authors found that discrimination levels were consistent across all the occupations and industries covered in the experiment. Even federal contractors (for whom affirmative action is better enforced) and companies that explicitly state that they are an "Equal Opportunity Employer" did not discriminate less....
   25. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4681828)
Oh I knew that, but thank you for the link.

I'm a black guy with good credentials and a super-white-sounding name. So I do okay.
   26. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4681831)
Giving your kid a stupid name is a form of child abuse. Remember the guy who named his son Adolph Hitler? He had his kids taken away.
   27. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4681833)
I'm a black guy with good credentials and a super-white-sounding name. So I do okay.

I've never heard anyone named J. Poindexter Whitney wind up in the street, that's for sure. (smile)
   28. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4681834)
Never mind.
   29. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4681843)
The funny thing is my name actually makes a lot of black people look askance at me. Betwixt and between.
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4681846)
Giving your kid a stupid name is a form of child abuse.


Apparently there is a football player that will be taken in the first round of the draft this year named Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix.
   31. Scott Lange Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4681855)
No #17, you're thinking of Denise pronounced "Duh-neese." #12 means Denise as in "Dee-nice." See here for more.
   32. The District Attorney Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4681857)
Apparently there is a football player that will be taken in the first round of the draft this year named Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix.
His mother was a huge Jay Leno fan.
   33. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4681858)
Giving your kid a stupid name is a form of child abuse.

"My name is Sue. How do you do!"
   34. Spectral Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4681860)
Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix

His real name is Ha'Sean. I can't fathom why someone would put "Ha'" in front of "Sean" and think that the name has been improved. People really do their kids no favors with this sort of naming.
   35. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4681861)
All white, except for 2 Asians.


They were actually named Deniseisan.
   36. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4681862)
One of the lesser Jackson 5 named his kid "Jermajesty" IIRC. Pronounced, "Your majesty," good to start demeaning the people they interact with from the start.
   37. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4681864)
Giving your kid a stupid name is a form of child abuse.

"My name is Sue. How do you do!"


Was life easy for a Boy Named Sue? Yes or no?
   38. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:31 AM (#4681866)
The funny thing is my name actually makes a lot of black people look askance at me. Betwixt and between.


Your parents named you "Betwixt and Between"?
   39. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4681871)
Friends of my wife who live in Connecticut named their two sons the whitest whitiest white people names I can possibly imagine. I won't type them here in case they ever google their children's name and this comes up, but my god, it's like they're trolling people. Seriously, just trust me on this. Thomas Pynchon couldn't have come up with these names.
   40. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4681872)
I saw that joke coming.
   41. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4681877)
I assume they're called Brendan and Ashleigh.
   42. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4681881)
I assume they're called Brendan and Ashleigh.


Jackson and Braelynn.
   43. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4681886)
Logan. Definitely Logan.
   44. bunyon Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4681889)
Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4681828)
Oh I knew that, but thank you for the link.

I'm a black guy with good credentials and a super-white-sounding name. So I do okay.


Are you kidding? Blastin is clearly a black name.
   45. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:46 AM (#4681892)
We need more old Puritan names, dammit.

Increase, for instance. Or Deuteronomy.

Kill-sin, has a certain lilt to it, too.
   46. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:46 AM (#4681893)
Are you kidding? Blastin is clearly a black name.


I always assume he's got a boom box permanently attached to his left shoulder.
   47. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:46 AM (#4681894)
Logan. Definitely Logan.

Not even close. Infinitely whiter than those.
   48. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4681895)
Krusty should know. He gave me this name.
   49. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4681896)
We need more old Puritan names, dammit.

Cotton Nash agrees
   50. TDF, situational idiot Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4681900)
Racism: Yes it still exists. My neighbors call MLK Day "James Earl Jones Day".

Names: My favorite of all time was the gay salesman in the men's clothing store on Modern Family (not a "black name", but still).

Manager - "This is Joe"
Mitchell - "Just Joe?"
Salesman - "Yes. J-E-O-U-X."
   51. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4681905)
Cotton Nash agrees


The fact that neither Cotton Nash nor Cotton Speyrer had that as their given name saddens me.
   52. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4681906)
His real name is Ha'Sean. I can't fathom why someone would put "Ha'" in front of "Sean" and think that the name has been improved. People really do their kids no favors with this sort of naming.


Could be worse. It could be Ha'Chone.
   53. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4681908)
Who the heck wears starched shirts in 2014?

Bigots.


Starched white shirts, no less!
   54. JRVJ Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4681913)
It's possible that this has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads that I haven't seen, but there's a very stimulating debate going on right now between Jonathan Chait and Ta-Nehisi Coates about African-Americans and their position in U.S. society.

Frankly, I side more with Chait (in the sense that I think TNC has locked himself into an inflexible position that hardly allows for other points of view). But it has been interesting.
   55. Swoboda is freedom Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4681919)
One of my favorite onion articles from a few years back. Favorite names for blacks, white and Asians in the US.

onion
   56. BDC Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4681920)
Infinitely whiter

Blanche and Weiss?
   57. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4681924)
I can't remember who said it, but white privilege is the ability to pretend that racism doesn't exist.
   58. BDC Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4681930)
Well, Ted Nugent used to say viciously racist things about the President, but that was all the way back in February. America has come a long way since then.
   59. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4681936)
   60. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4681939)
Well, Ted Nugent used to say viciously racist things about the President, but that was all the way back in February. America has come a long way since then.


When I was younger, black teens were gunned down for playing music loudly or wearing hoodies. It seems crazy to think about now.
   61. DA Baracus Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4681951)
Who the heck wears starched shirts in 2014?


I just assume hipsters do.
   62. dejarouehg Posted: April 08, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4681958)
One of the lesser Jackson 5 named his kid "Jermajesty" IIRC. Pronounced, "Your majesty,"


I am part of a mentoring program where one of the kids is named Y'Majesty, who has a brother, Infinity. Are you kidding me? I confess, unfair as it might be, their resume had best say that they went to an ivy league school at the top or it goes directly into the recycle bin as I shake my head wondering what the hell the parent(s) was thinking.

My mother deliberately gave my siblings and me WASP-y names (this is in the 60's) because she never wanted our names to give someone a reason to filter us out of a job opportunity.

   63. Shredder Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4681969)
One of my favorite onion articles from a few years back. Favorite names for blacks, white and Asians in the US.
I grew up in SoCal among quite a few second generation Asian-Americans, almost all with Americanized names. One thing I've noticed is that in my life while I've only known a handful of women named Grace, nearly all of them have been Asian. I wonder if that's cultural thing.
   64. bunyon Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4681971)
One thing I've noticed is that in my life while I've only known a handful of women named Grace, nearly all of them have been Asian. I wonder if that's cultural thing.

Frakkin' A, Shredder. Frakkin' A.
   65. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4681973)
My daughter played soccer against Messiah last weekend. Surprisingly, he didn't score.
   66. BDC Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4681983)
The name Grace shows an interesting pattern: very common in the 1880s, declining steadily till the 1940s, rare again till about 1990, and then steeply rising in popularity (which now seems to have crested). There were several Graces in school with BDC Jr. in the '90s and '00s.

Names go up and down like that a lot. But odd to me is that the near-absence of Grace as a name coincides precisely with the years when Grace Kelly was most famous, as movie star and fairytale princess. Maybe she was just too unapproachable for anyone to name their daughter after.
   67. The Good Face Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4681986)
My daughter played soccer against Messiah last weekend. Surprisingly, he didn't score.


Not surprising. He was sent to save.
   68. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4681987)
My daughter played soccer against Messiah last weekend. Surprisingly, he didn't score.


I hope he played goalie.

EDIT: dammit Good Face! :)
   69. TDF, situational idiot Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4681988)
Blacks aren't the only ones who give their kids unfortunate names. About 10 years ago, we all had a good chuckle at work reading the obits - an old white guy named Harry Dangler passed away.
   70. RJ in TO Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4681995)
When my brothers were in middle school, the janitor was Dick Head. He eventually changed the name on his office door to Richard Head, but the 7th and 8th graders weren't going to be fooled that easily.
   71. Dale Sams Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4681997)
Racism: Yes it still exists. My neighbors call MLK Day "James Earl Jones Day".


So your neighbors are big Star Wars fans. I'm not seeing the racism.
   72. Blubaldo Jimenez (OMJ) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4681998)
I once had a waitress named Girlisha. I assume it was her real name, as the nametag was engraved, it wasn't some sticker or something.
   73. Matthew E Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4681999)
I just finished Mavis Staples' biography, and found out that Pops Staples' first name was Roebuck. There's a mention at one point in the book that he had a brother named Sears.

I don't want to make fun of that. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time. But I would still classify this naming scheme of the Stapleses as ill-advised.
   74. Dale Sams Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:33 PM (#4682000)
Friends of my wife who live in Connecticut named their two sons the whitest whitiest white people names I can possibly imagine


Dale...annnnnd....Malachi?
   75. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4682002)
I hope he played goalie.

Unfortunately for him, its 4x4 with no goalies. He'll have to wait a year or two to fulfill his destiny.
   76. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4682003)
Supposedly, Elgin Baylor's first name came from the fact that his dad was wearing an Elgin watch when he was born. Makes me wonder if he had siblings named Timex or Westclox.
   77. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4682008)
Unfortunately for him, its 4x4 with no goalies. He'll have to wait a year or two to fulfill his destiny.

He'd better wear gloves!
   78. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4682010)
Supposedly, Elgin Baylor's first name came from the fact that his dad was wearing an Elgin watch when he was born.

"so, why do you ask, Two Dogs Fucking?"
   79. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4682017)
In which vein, I suppose, I'm reading a mystery right now by the Alaskan author Stan Jones in which we're introduced (or will be ... he actually hasn't appeared yet) to a native character with the first name Whyborn.
   80. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4682019)
I grew up in SoCal among quite a few second generation Asian-Americans, almost all with Americanized names. One thing I've noticed is that in my life while I've only known a handful of women named Grace, nearly all of them have been Asian. I wonder if that's cultural thing.


Funny - my best friend from high school's mom's American name is Grace (she immigrated from Taiwan). I know of no one of my generation (I'm 37) with that name. And now I know two couples (both native-born white) of my generation who have named their daughters Grace.
   81. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4682020)
I just finished writing a letter of recommendation for one of my grad students named Grace. (She white)
   82. Booey Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4682023)
Some of the dumbest names happen when parents think they're being clever by giving their kids a first name that matches up with their last name to form something else. My ex used to work in a childrens clinic and met kids named Summer Flowers, Weldon Steele, and Cole Miner. Kayne West and his daughter North would be proud.

Morons.
   83. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4682024)
I just finished writing a letter of recommendation for one of my grad students named Grace. (She white)


Clearly, based on my sample, she must be either very old or very young to be a grad student. Hey, it makes as much sense as putting a guy in the lineup because he's 3-6 against the starting pitcher.
   84. just plain joe Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4682026)
"so, why do you ask, Two Dogs #######?"


I remember my brother getting in trouble for telling that joke at a family gathering years ago. My six year old nephew overheard it and repeated it to his mother. I don't really remember if he understood the joke or why it was funny, but I do know my sister was not amused.
   85. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4682028)
My old roommate used to work for Harry Balzer, who is actually pretty prominent in his industry and has somewhat of a public profile. Why, oh why, would you not just go by "Harold"??
   86. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4682029)
Clearly, based on my sample, she must be either very old or very young to be a grad student.

nope--I never axed how old she is but she's on a normal grad student track (i.e. one year of working after undergrad, then entered grad school)
   87. base ball chick Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4682034)
29. Blastin Posted: April 08, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4681843)

The funny thing is my name actually makes a lot of black people look askance at me. Betwixt and between


- our youngest son's name sounds like it should belong to a GOB. which really bothers him a lot and he now just wants to be called by his full first name. which i guess is what happens when you put him in a school full of White kidz and he is not

- we named our twins Old Testament names. so when they were about a year and i took them house hunting with me, i got asked if my Husband was jewish - this is how i found that immigration changed jewish peoples' last names to most of the major colors except for yellow, orange, purple and blue

and Black people do NOT got the patent on naming their kids really stupid names. White people naming their kids after Indian tribes? dakots? cheyenne? sioux? or even the name madison or addison or mackenzie - for a FEMALE? you gonna call your daughter mac? REALLY? Ayden? Jayden? Brayden? tiffany (after a jewelry store??!!), crystal (after GLASS???), brittany (after a SPANIEL? or a county in france?) and that's just a couple of the really stupid ones. cmon

it's just considered "inventive" if White people do this.

sigh

racism/jim crow just looks different these days. like the people who don't want public schools (why educate Those People let their mothers working 2 jobs do home schooling on computers they can't afford) or who make laws making stop n frisk for dark skinned males legal. you think they ever stop n frisk White males in a business suit? or females shopping on 5th avenue? how about laws making you guilty of a felony if you are in someone else's car getting a ride and he/she has illegal drugs or guns on THEM, not you.

and like i tell people, who of course do not believe me - when i went to look at houses, i got shown better houses in better neighborhoods - same exact finances, if i went with a White man, or brought a White baby i was babysitting instead of my own. (of course i didn't go to one of the super redneck areas like tomball...)
   88. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4682046)
The dearth of white NBA basketball players must also be racism. Right, or no?


Right before I read this comment, I read this fascinating article about how the early NBA was dominated by Jewish players. Here's the paragraph that made the article really good:

"[Basketball] appeals to the Hebrew with his Oriental background," he wrote, according to Arieh Sclar, the author of A Sport At Which Jews Excel. Gallico added that it sat well with the "temperament of the Jews" because it "places a premium on an alert, scheming mind, flashy trickiness, artful dodging, and general smart alecness."
   89. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4682053)
and Black people do NOT got the patent on naming their kids really stupid names. White people naming their kids after Indian tribes? dakots? cheyenne? sioux? or even the name madison or addison or mackenzie - for a FEMALE? you gonna call your daughter mac? REALLY? Ayden? Jayden? Brayden? tiffany (after a jewelry store??!!), crystal (after GLASS???), brittany (after a SPANIEL? or a county in france?) and that's just a couple of the really stupid ones. cmon


My suspicion is that these instinctive reactions to names are class-based not race-based (Freakonomics did a bit on this IIRC). I suspect that your average white Brayden or Dakota is just as badly off as your Letisha or Jamal. I know I would have the same instinctive bias against both of those. Obviously the two correlate but I think the reactions are based on class perceptions as much as anything.

I do think that Madison is a great name on the merits.
   90. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4682065)
No discussion of idiotic kid names is complete without mentioning Espn (or Espen).

   91. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:48 PM (#4682068)
Right before I read this comment, I read this fascinating article about how the early NBA was dominated by Jewish players. Here's the paragraph that made the article really good:

"[Basketball] appeals to the Hebrew with his Oriental background," he wrote, according to Arieh Sclar, the author of A Sport At Which Jews Excel. Gallico added that it sat well with the "temperament of the Jews" because it "places a premium on an alert, scheming mind, flashy trickiness, artful dodging, and general smart alecness."


The outsized success of Jewish prizefighters from 1900-1930 was similarly credited to their "clever punching" and "shifty ringwork."
   92. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4682073)
My old roommate used to work for Harry Balzer, who is actually pretty prominent in his industry and has somewhat of a public profile. Why, oh why, would you not just go by "Harold"??


What's the big deal with Harry Baals?
   93. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 02:57 PM (#4682078)
an alert, scheming mind, flashy trickiness, artful dodging, and general smart alecness."
And?
   94. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4682086)
My suspicion is that these instinctive reactions to names are class-based not race-based (Freakonomics did a bit on this IIRC). I suspect that your average white Brayden or Dakota is just as badly off as your Letisha or Jamal. I know I would have the same instinctive bias against both of those. Obviously the two correlate but I think the reactions are based on class perceptions as much as anything.


What Freakonomics posited (and you can debate the merits of it) was that the name themselves were an indicator of class, but not the reason for class. So a boy named DeShaun from the middle class would do just as well in life as a boy named Bill.

I think that still glosses over the study that showed there is racism going on in job applicant names, and I disagree that it is class-based. I don't think people treat names like Brayden (which is a pretty white middle-class name, where I'm from) the same as they treat Jamal.
   95. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4682090)
A friend of mine worked at a Dept. store and had to fill out a credit application for a woman named Ima Hoar. And no, its not pronounced ee-ma. I wish I was kidding.
   96. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4682103)
I'm always suspicious of these FOAF anecdotes. Especially since there really was an Ima Hogg.
   97. Booey Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4682106)
and Black people do NOT got the patent on naming their kids really stupid names.


Oh absolutely not. My wife and I argued long and hard when she was pregnant about what we'd name our kid. She loves all these new trendy names that I can't stand. I like traditional names, not fads. If a name was virtually unheard of 30 years ago, then it wasn't an option for our kid, as far as I was concerned.

Groups of name types I immediately ruled out, to her dismay:

Last names as first names - MacKensie, Tucker, Ryker, Cooper, Jackson, Braxton, etc (sub group; presidents - Madison, Kennedy, Reagan. It's only a matter of time before we see a bunch of little Eisenhowers and Roosevelts running around)

Cars - Porsche, Mercedes (I've actually met girls with both these names). No different than naming your kid Hyundai or Subaru.

Geographical locations - Paris, London, Dakota, Brooklyn. An even bigger "NO" if you try to be cute and spell the place differently. I knew a couple that named their daughter "Seattle" but spelled it "Cyadel." No, no, no, no, no.

Boys names for a girl (or vice versa) - When I was a kid, names like Jordan, Taylor, and Morgan were strictly boys names (except for Morgan Fairchild, which I thought was really weird back then). Now they're mostly used for girls. I've also met girls named Tyler, Ryan, and Spencer. Not okay.
   98. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4682110)
Cars - Porsche, Mercedes


There was an old Cuban woman in my childhood neighborhood named Mercedes, I'd always assumed it was an old name fallen out of favor.

Me and Missus YR (The Yankee Belle) both favor family names in honor of relatives. I just lost my grandfather last week and knowing he was proud that I named my daughter after his mother outweighed any considerations of trendy names that all sound like strippers anyways.
   99. BDC Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4682114)
reading a mystery right now by the Alaskan author Stan Jones

It is a new book by Jones, mongoose? He had done four or five excellent ones but then I hadn't heard of a new one for a while. Of course, it's not like I subscribe to the Stan Jones Alert or something.
   100. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 08, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4682119)
Unfortunately, no. The last one (of four) came out in 2009; this one is the second, I think. Or maybe the third. I've made the mistake of reading those two at sort of the same time (one's at the house, one's in the car).
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