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Monday, July 16, 2012

Hardballtalk: Ozzie Guillen says Bryce Harper ‘might not make it’

Ozzie Guillen isn’t over being disrepected by Bryce Harper during Sunday’s game. Not even close.

CSN Washington’s Mark Zuckerman has the quotes from Guillen’s rant prior to Monday’s game.

“I like this kid,” Guillen said. “I think this kid is good for baseball. He’s going to be better. But if this kid continues to do that ****, he might not make it. Because they’re going to fool around with the wrong guy, and that wrong guy will kick his ass. He might not make it.”

As for that wrong guy, well, it won’t be Guillen. Referring to how Nationals manager Davey Johnson said Guillen was trying to intimidate Harper during Sunday’s game, Guillen said:

I wish this happened two years ago. Then I would’ve told Davey what I feel. And I would’ve told this kid what I feel. Intimidate? Pfft. I never intimidate people. For what? Do I look like I intimidate anybody? I swear, if we fight, that kid will kick my ass. You think I’m going to intimidate him?

Tripon Posted: July 16, 2012 at 09:02 PM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dale H. Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4184438)
Is there any way we can get Cole Hamels to drill Ozzie Guillen, just on principle?
   2. Tripon Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4184446)
Ozzie Guillen probably should be suspended at this point.
   3. Gonfalon B. Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:46 PM (#4184447)
Guillen is old school... but a very special school, with three teachers in every classroom.
   4. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4184456)
I don't understand why this kid has become such a lightning rod for criticism. Apparently he can't even smile or look at someone funny; it's as though people are looking for the slightest little thing they can use to jump all over him. Is all of this because of the amount of hype that accompanied him into the league? Because this crap is starting to get out of hand.
   5. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4184459)
Man, Ozzie really enjoys playing the villain doesn't he? Seriously, shut the #### up and worry about your own team.
   6. Rob_Wood Posted: July 16, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4184460)
Yes, suspension-worthy.
   7. Into the Void Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4184464)
At this point Ozzie is like one of those reality show "celebrities" that has no idea how stupid they sound every time they open their mouth because they are so used to the media paying attention to every word they say. Just STFU. You're embarrassing yourself.
   8. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:01 PM (#4184466)
"Ozzie" =/= "people"
   9. zonk Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4184471)
Has anyone followed up to ask Ozzie if he's expanded his drinking regimen to include pre-game, in-game, and immediate post-game?
   10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4184487)
someone should take that <objectionable racial slur removed> off the calendar

seriously

EDIT: The comment is seriously over the line. I usually make warnings for TOS violations private, but in this case a public reprimand is in order. Refrain from similar comments or your account will be suspended. Jim F.
   11. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4184488)
Intimidate? Pfft. I never intimidate people.

Of course the most important question here is, did Ozzie really say pfft?
   12. Fear is Moses Taylor's Bacon Bits Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4184489)
#10 - really?
   13. Esoteric Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4184491)
someone should take that drunken spic off the calendar
Um...what?
   14. Tripon Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4184492)
oh great, racism.
   15. LooseCannon Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM (#4184497)
Does old school require throwing at one of Ozzie's players?
   16. Esoteric Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4184498)
Does old school require throwing at one of Ozzie's players?
True 'old school' requires throwing at Ozzie himself, the way that one pitcher whose name I can't remember threw at a guy in the on-deck circle.
   17. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4184500)
Boy, howdy. This could be fun.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:08 AM (#4184504)
True 'old school' requires throwing at Ozzie himself, the way that one pitcher whose name I can't remember threw at a guy in the on-deck circle.


Ben Christensen threw at Anthony Molinda.

There's gotta be some kind of other obscure reference or badly executed joke we're just not getting with 10, I hope.
   19. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:09 AM (#4184506)
Maybe, if people keep jabbing at Bryce Harper, he'll snap and give an interview that sounds like a pro wrestling promo where he dares everyone to fight him. I'm thinking sometime in September.
   20. Esoteric Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4184508)
Maybe, if people keep jabbing at Bryce Harper, he'll snap and give an interview that sounds like a pro wrestling promo where he dares everyone to fight him. I'm thinking sometime in September.
I'm actually hoping he'll pull a 'heel turn' and demand a trade to the New York Yankees.
   21. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4184514)
I'm actually hoping he'll pull a 'heel turn' and demand a trade to the New York Yankees.


Done, of course, in true mid-90s pro wrestling fashion where Harper rips opening his Nationals jersey to reveal a New World Order New York Yankees shirt underneath.
   22. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4184520)
I don't understand why this kid has become such a lightning rod for criticism. Apparently he can't even smile or look at someone funny; it's as though people are looking for the slightest little thing they can use to jump all over him. Is all of this because of the amount of hype that accompanied him into the league? Because this crap is starting to get out of hand.

This has occurred to me, as well. I can't figure out what's so objectionable about Harper. He's been extremely measured and deferential in his public comments so far, and he's been max-effort on the field. What's the problem, exactly? I suppose there's the perception that the hype superficially outstrips his performance to date, but to believe that you must ignore that he's freaking 19 years old.

And I really hope #10 is a movie quote or something.
   23. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4184523)
I think a lot of it is just people not wanting to admit that the Bryce Harper we've seen at the Major League level isn't the cocky ######## kid some segments of the media were prepping us for.
   24. Shoebo Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:17 AM (#4184536)
OK, jmac, too many of us don't get the joke. You are gonna have to explain it.
   25. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:54 AM (#4184542)
Seriously - #10, what?
   26. BWV 1129 Posted: July 17, 2012 at 03:20 AM (#4184554)
I Googled the phrase in post 10 and got nothing.
   27. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 17, 2012 at 06:17 AM (#4184565)
someone should take that drunken spic off the calendar


That is completely uncalled for.
   28. bjhanke Posted: July 17, 2012 at 06:18 AM (#4184566)
For BWV - "Spik", normally spelled with a "k", was a slur for a Latino - someone who is from Latin American and is fluent in Spanish. I say "was" because I haven't heard the term since the 1970s. All things concerned, I think I would have preferred to keep that streak intact. - Brock Hanke
   29. Lassus Posted: July 17, 2012 at 06:58 AM (#4184569)
Certainly heard the slur since the 70s. Never once saw it spelled with a "k", though, but I guess it's heard more than said, so how would I know anyhow? Interesting.

I'm going to guess that pasta was drunk posting; the combination of the slur and the use of "calendar", which if it hadn't beeen part of the racism would have been almost poetic.
   30. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 17, 2012 at 07:33 AM (#4184575)
If Kevin can be banned for Nelly Furtado...
   31. bob gee Posted: July 17, 2012 at 07:39 AM (#4184577)
harper's showing class well beyond his years, and having a good time without hurting anyone.

do any of his teammates have anything bad to say about him? he plays the game the way i like it to be played - i even showed the 1 handed glove missed / caught in hand ball to some high school players i know, like "see guys - here's WHY you use two hands".

i wonder if any of the resentment is because of all the hype harper got and trying to knock him down a peg. you haven't heard any of the same stuff towards mike trout...
   32. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: July 17, 2012 at 07:41 AM (#4184581)
That wasn't kevin.
   33. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 17, 2012 at 07:42 AM (#4184582)
Is there a lot of resentment or is it just a couple of people? Other than Hamels and Guillen virtually everything I've read or heard about Harper has been positive. The MLB Tonight crew last night was generally positive toward him last night.
   34. Lassus Posted: July 17, 2012 at 07:52 AM (#4184583)
As far as Harper goes, I think between Hutcheson and Guillen, that's really it. But it's enough to set off the persecution complex in #4, I guess.
   35. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:10 AM (#4184587)
Yep, that's it, I have a persecution complex. Thanks for your help Lucy Van Pelt; here's your five cents.
   36. Lassus Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:13 AM (#4184592)
Yep, that's it, I have a persecution complex. Thanks for your help Lucy Van Pelt; here's your five cents.

If anyone has ragged on him past his first four days, I've obviously missed it. Feel free to point it out. "Lightning rod"? "Jump all over him"?
   37. bunyon Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:15 AM (#4184595)
I was completely ready to hate him, but he seems great. I think, perhaps, his playing has been overrated while his personality underrated.

If he can make Guillen's head explode I'm ready to put him in the Hall.
   38. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:17 AM (#4184598)
I worry we're in danger of overreacting to the anti-Harper ########. Harper's got nothing to apologize to anyone for, but he's also not a boring, say-and-do-only-the-righteous-thing smiling babyface either.

He smiled at the Marlins dugout and mimed that his bat was legal. The "know your place, rook" thing to do in that situation is nothing. Take the disrespect, take the annoyance, and play ball like nothing happened. Harper said the right thing after the game, but on the field he was, let's say, a bit uppity.

I like that. I like Bryce Harper because he's a bit cocky, a bit arrogant, and he's clever enough to be funny when he does it, and he seems like a good enough guy that he rarely goes over the line into full-on heelishness.
   39. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:27 AM (#4184608)
True 'old school' requires throwing at Ozzie himself


The proper response would be to *throw Ozzie at him.*

I think a lot of it is just people not wanting to admit that the Bryce Harper we've seen at the Major League level isn't the cocky ######## kid some segments of the media were prepping us for.


The problem with Harper from day one was that he was a prepackaged, Hollywood-parents managed phenom who was apparently groomed for his adulatory public since his dad made the O face in mommy's belly. The fact that his PR people are continuing to manage his creepy ass in DC doesn't make it any less creepy. I'd like the kid a lot better of he'd go get drunk and #### a stripper.
   40. Jim Furtado Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:30 AM (#4184611)
If Kevin can be banned for Nelly Furtado...
That was a funny claim. However, you don't even have the original attribution correct.
   41. Lassus Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:30 AM (#4184613)
I probably overstated - he has been critisized by people with the temperament of Ozzie Guillen, but I think calling him a lightning rod whom people have been jumping all over is just not accurate.
   42. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:31 AM (#4184615)
Nelly Furtado played a private concert for Moammar Gaddafi, therefore is worse than Hitler, Roy Cohn and Bill James combined.
   43. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:34 AM (#4184617)
Do you guys get the feeling Ozzie just doesn't like players who seem, well, happy? Swisher and Brandon McCarthy are noted goofballs he seems to have taken a severe dislike to, as well. It's weird because he is a noted goofball, too.
   44. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:36 AM (#4184620)
Do you guys get the feeling Ozzie just doesn't like players who seem, well, happy?


I think Ozzie Guillen is awesome.
   45. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:39 AM (#4184621)
I think Ozzie Guillen is awesome.

I make no assertions about his awesomeness either way.
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:40 AM (#4184622)

"I worry we're in danger of overreacting.."

crazy talk!
   47. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 08:45 AM (#4184626)
Also, I think Ozzie is completely underselling his chances in a fight with Harper. That kid's never been punched, much less had a mad, frothing at the mouth Ozzie Guillen start chewing on his face in anger. He'd cave in seconds.
   48. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:13 AM (#4184634)
That kid's never been punched

You on the other hand got pummeled repeatedly during your formative years. And the boys probably didn't treat you much better.
   49. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4184643)
If he played for the Braves, literally everything you've said in this thread would be reversed.
   50. Lassus Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4184653)
A fight with the glass-skeletoned anti-Wolverine Jason Heyward wouldn't be much practice
   51. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4184655)
You on the other hand got pummeled repeatedly during your formative years. And the boys probably didn't treat you much better.


I've taken you off of ignore as a trial run, Joey. You're going to need to do better than this, son.
   52. Guapo Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4184656)
This whole thing reminds me of the Cantina scene in Star Wars:

[Carlos Zambrano gives Bryce Harper a rough shove and starts yelling at Bryce Harper in an alien language which Bryce Harper doesn't understand]
Ozzie Guillen: [explaining] He doesn't like you.
Bryce Harper: Sorry.
Ozzie Guillen: [grabbing Bryce Harper] *I* don't like you either. You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I've been suspended by twelve league presidents.
Bryce Harper: I'll be careful.
Ozzie Guillen: You'll be dead!
   53. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4184657)
A fight with the glass-skeletoned anti-Wolverine Jason Heyward wouldn't be much practice


We all know Heyward is in the pupa stage of his transformation into Cyborg. I mean, he's the *black* Teen Titan.
   54. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4184660)
Never once saw it spelled with a "k",


Me neither. I demand that Brock provide citations.
   55. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: July 17, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4184678)
Never once saw it spelled with a "k",

Me neither. I demand that Brock provide citations.


ditto

I've taken you off of ignore as a trial run, Joey. You're going to need to do better than this, son.


Oh come on, it was well done, fairly humorous without being overly crude.
   56. phredbird Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4184870)
hey guys, what up?

oh, another guillen-harper thread. those are fun!

*reads post 10*

i better get to work.
   57. Topher Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4184988)
Can't tell if you guys are just giving Brock a hard time with the never seen meme or if you are also a bit serious at the same time.

Either way, this tool is always fun to track word usage: http://books.google.com/ngrams/

The graphs for "c" vs. "k" show a definite change in spelling over time. I recommend this particular search in private/incognito mode.
   58. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4184995)
Can't tell if you guys are just giving Brock a hard time with the never seen meme or if you are also a bit serious at the same time.


If these folks are like me, they're being serious. I'm familiar with Kathy with a K, but not span's counterpart with one.
   59. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4185001)
What SoSH said. I've seen it, I dunno, dozens if not hundreds of times with a "c," but never with a "k."
   60. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4185003)
If he played for the Braves, literally everything you've said in this thread would be reversed.


1. That's simply not true.

2. If he played for the Braves, someone would have taught him how to be a man by now.
   61. Srul Itza Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4185100)
What SoSH said. I've seen it, I dunno, dozens if not hundreds of times with a "c," but never with a "k."


Ditto.
   62. BWV 1129 Posted: July 17, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4185196)
For BWV - "Spik", normally spelled with a "k", was a slur for a Latino - someone who is from Latin American and is fluent in Spanish. I say "was" because I haven't heard the term since the 1970s. All things concerned, I think I would have preferred to keep that streak intact. - Brock Hanke


I know all that (though I've never seen it with a "k"), I was wondering if he was quoting some movie or something.
   63. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: July 17, 2012 at 04:50 PM (#4185223)
Ozzie Guillen: the man who praises Fidel Castro and attacks Bryce Harper.
   64. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: July 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM (#4185744)
2. If he played for the Braves, someone would have taught him how to be a man by now.

You can't teach somebody how to be a man. Boys have to figure that one out by themselves. A real man would know that.

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