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Thursday, January 10, 2013

Hardballtalk: The Hall of Famer who proudly extolled the virtues of PEDs

The player: 365 game winner Pud Galvin.

His PED: extract of monkey testicles, commercially known as “Brown-Sequard elixir.”

The media reaction:

“if there still be doubting Thomases who concede no virtue of the elixir, they are respectfully referred to Galvin’s record in yesterday’s Boston-Pittsburgh game. It is the best proof yet furnished of the value of the discovery.”

Tripon Posted: January 10, 2013 at 02:18 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:25 PM (#4344566)
Silly man. We all know monkey testicles only help you hit home runs.
   2. jingoist Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:27 PM (#4344568)
Only a fool would choose to be the first poster on a report sbout monkey testicle extract consumption.
Oh, wait....
The "elixir vitae" no doubt.
Now that I have turned 67 I only wish it was available over the counter.
   3. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:33 PM (#4344571)
Given that he publically reported his usage, it wasn't surrepetitious, and therefore not cheating.
   4. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4344574)
Awaiting snark from Andy in 5...4...3...
   5. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:50 PM (#4344581)
Select quotes. Guess the Hall of Famer!

"If they let these guys in ever - at any point - it's a big black eye for the Hall and for baseball. It's like telling our kids you can cheat, you can do whatever you want, and it's not going to matter... I think the steroids guys that are under suspicion got too many votes. I don't know why they're making this such a question and why there's so much debate. To me, they cheated. Are we going to reward these guys? If you don't think Roger Clemens cheated, you're burying your head in the sand. I don't know if baseball knows how to deal with this at all. Why don't they strip these guys of all these numbers? You've got to suffer the consequences. You get caught cheating on a test, you get expelled from school." -- Rich Gossage

But it's not about the records!

"I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year. I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were... What really gets me is seeing how some of these players associated with drugs have jumped over many of the greats in our game. Numbers mean a lot in baseball, maybe more so than in any other sport. And going back to Babe Ruth, and players like Harmon Killebrew and Frank Robinson and Willie Mays, seeing people jump over them with 600, 700 home runs, I don't like to see that... I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating... Numbers are important, but so is integrity and character. Some of these guys might get in someday. But for a year or two, I'm glad they didn't." -- Al Kaline

"Wow! Baseball writers make a statement. Feels right." -- Dennis Eckersley

“Curt Schilling made a good point. Everyone was guilty. Either you used PEDs, or you did nothing to stop their use. This generation got rich. Seems there was a price to pay.” -- Self-confessed amphetamines user Mike Schmidt
   6. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:59 PM (#4344591)
Contrast the quotes in Post 5 with the dignity to which the steroids players handled their exclusion:

"It has been a great honor for me to be nominated for the distinction for the first time, along with other grand figures in this sport. Just being considered for the first time is a great prize in and of itself. In addition, there is always a next time." -- Sammy Sosa.

“After what has been written and said over the last few years I’m not overly surprised. Thanks to all the teams I’ve worked with and to the fans and friends for all the fantastic letters, voice mails, and texts of support over the last few years. To those who did take the time to look at the facts... we very much appreciate it. Muchie Peachie, Rocket." -- Roger Clemens

“I am absolutely amazed that Craig did not get in on the first ballot. I hurt for him because I know it means a ton to him. I hurt for Craig because you’re talking about 3000 hits and you don’t get in on the first ballot, that sucks. He deserves to be in right now. For me, it’s okay by me about me.” -- Jeff Bagwell

   7. Morty Causa Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:59 PM (#4344655)
His name is Pud.
   8. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:36 PM (#4344705)
"Are we going to reward these guys?" -- Rich Gossage

Gossage wasn't 1/3 of the pitcher Clemens was. Gossage wouldn't have been 1/3 of the pitcher Clemens was with steroids.

Neutralized stats per b-r:

Gossage 1757 innings, 678 ER, 3.47 ERA
Clemens 4888 innings, 1683 ER, 3.10 ERA

The difference between them is 3131 innings, 1005 ER, 2.89 ERA.

Clemens had Gossage's career. Then he pitched 3,131 innings at a 2.89 ERA - a level much better than Gossage was able to pitch at in relief.

There is one pitcher who doesn't belong in the same Hall of Fame as the other, if we're going there. But the one pitcher isn't who Gossage thinks it is.
   9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4344714)

Really Ray, Goose Gossage wasn't as good as Roger Clemens?
   10. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4344718)
Really Ray, Goose Gossage wasn't as good as Roger Clemens?

Yes, but only because Clemens took steroids while Gossage didn't.
   11. bookbook Posted: January 10, 2013 at 11:11 PM (#4344724)
In fairness, Mike Schmidt has expressed a nuanced position through a long article he wrote, where he said he would have probably tried steroids had they been available to him.

This quote seems more critical out of context than may be intended.
   12. Bote Man Posted: January 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4344727)
Jeebus H. Fricking Christmas. It's over.

Come on Spring Training. PLEASE!
   13. Walt Davis Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4344750)
Only a fool would choose to be the first poster on a report sbout monkey testicle extract consumption.

Thank you.
   14. RMc is organizationalwide! Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:35 AM (#4344851)
There's probably no better way to clear out a room than to mention monkey testicles.
   15. Rants Mulliniks Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:49 AM (#4344861)
You get caught cheating on a test, you get expelled from school.

That is so 1980s. Get with the times Goose.
   16. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:50 AM (#4344863)
This obviously would have been Galvin's favorite video game.

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