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Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Haudricourt: No new inductees for Brewers Walk of Fame

Whatever Happened to the Walk of Fame?  Here’s Gabrielle James’s five-step plan for revamping the process…

The Milwaukee Brewers announced yet another shutout in their annual Walk of Fame balloting on Tuesday…

Since 2007, only two candidates have been voted onto the Brewers Walk of Fame—Lew Burdette in 2010 and Johnny Logan in 2013…

Here are the voting totals:

Teddy Higuera: 24 votes (60%)
Joe Adcock: 21 votes (52.5%)
George Bamberger: 20 votes (50%)
Pete Vuckovich: 20 votes (50%)
Mike Caldwell: 18 votes (45%)
Geoff Jenkins: 15 votes (37.5%)
Jeff Cirillo: 14 votes (35%)
Ben Oglivie: 14 votes (35%)
Ted Simmons: 14 votes (35%)
Del Crandall: 11 votes (27.5%)
George Scott: 10 votes (25%)
Dan Plesac: 8 votes (20%)
Jerry Augustine: 7 votes (17.5%)
Jim Slaton: 6 votes (15%)
Dale Sveum: 6 votes (15%)
Greg Vaughn: 6 votes (15%
Phil Garner: 5 votes (12.5%)
Larry Hisle: 5 votes (12.5%)
Sixto Lezcano: 5 votes (12.5%)
Charlie Moore: 5 votes (12.5%)
Bob Buehl: 5 votes (12.5%)
Bill Castro: 4 votes (10%)
Bill Schroeder: 4 votes (10%)
Billy Bruton: 4 votes (10%)
Sal Bando: 3 votes (7.5%)
Felix Mantilla: 3 votes (7.5%)
Mark Loretta: 2 votes (5%)
Fred Haney: 2 votes (5%)
Andy Pafko: 2 votes (5%)
Ronnie Belliard: 0 votes (0%)
Gabe Gross: 0 votes (0%)
Seth McClung: 0 votes (0%)
David Riske: 0 votes (0%)
The District Attorney Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:31 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. GregD Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4638914)
Surprised Ogilvie and Simmons don't get more love for their big roles on a legendary team
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4638916)
The stain of the PED era has now damaged the chances of Geoff Jenkins and Jeff Cirillo to enter the Brewers Walk of Fame.
   3. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:56 PM (#4638921)
Based on how it's structured, there really isn't a good way to resolve this.

Higuera should be an easy call though. Never played anywhere else and was legitimately excellent (I hadn't realized he outWARed Roger in 1986 until just a moment ago) at his best.

   4. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4638930)
They haven't inducted a Brewer since Harvey Kuenn and Don Money in 2005.
   5. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4638935)
Surprised Ogilvie and Simmons don't get more love for their big roles on a legendary team


Oglivie led the league in home runs one season while playing for the Brewers, and as GregD noted, was a key member of their only pennant-winning team. Seems like he'd be a shoo-in...
   6. TJ Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4638936)
Is Bernie Brewer in? If not, then the whole thing is a sham...
   7. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4638944)
Brewer legend David Riske is another victim of guilt-by-association in the steroid era.
   8. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4638948)
Surprised Ogilvie and Simmons don't get more love for their big roles on a legendary team


It's not as if the 1982 pennant winner isn't properly represented. Every single member of the Walk of Fame that played/managed for the Brewers, save Hank (who's there because of his previous connections to the city), was a part of the 1982 club (Fingers, Yount, Molitor, Cooper, Thomas, Gantner, Money, Kuenn). Everyone else in the walk was either a FO type, a broadcaster or dates back to the Braves days.

I know it's not a storied history, but surely they can find some room for somebody from some other era for a 44-year-old ballclub.
   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4638950)
ben Ogilvie easily had the best looking wife in brewers history

she was a knockout. when she walked to her seat at the stadium the crowd would hush in the area.

I am not embellishing. she was what at the time would be termed 'an exotic beauty'

ugliest? dale sveum's wife. in a walk. holy bejeezus. a younger version of gene keady's wife sans suntan but worse features
   10. GregD Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4638953)
ben Ogilvie easily had the best looking wife in brewers history
maybe the reporters would vote for her?
   11. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4638956)
I can't find any pictures of Mrs. Oglivie online. I don't understand why we even have an internet. Her name was Tammy Hunsinger, but that doesn't help.

Edit: OK, found one.
   12. John Northey Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4638962)
An odd thing the way they are doing it. Given who is there I'd think Higuera would be a lock. Oglivie is an odd one to skip from that 82 team.

Higuera is their lifetime WAR leader and it isn't close (30.6 then Ben Sheets 25.6 then under 20). Jim Slaton lead in wins, Pete Vuckovich in w/l% (and has a Cy Young), ERA & Saves are held by Dan Plesac, while Ben Sheets leads in K's. Surprised that is it for their leaders. The Jays are a newer club and have much higher pitching totals (Stieb & Halladay both over 45 for WAR, Key at 30, top 3 for wins have more than Milwaukee's top plus Jimmy Key was just 1 shy as a Jay).
   13. Bourbon Samurai Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:15 PM (#4638993)
I can't find any pictures of Mrs. Oglivie online. I don't understand why we even have an internet. Her name was Tammy Hunsinger, but that doesn't help.

Edit: OK, found one.


Wow, that's not an Albright.
   14. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4639002)
#13 - my thoughts exactly.

In a thread the other day I finally had the temerity to post an Albright and within ten minutes of my posting the Arod news broke and no one has commented since. I got trampled to death by a half-horse.
   15. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM (#4639186)
You freaks want Albright, I'll give you Albright...!
   16. Walt Davis Posted: January 15, 2014 at 03:18 AM (#4639246)
Ballotgeddon!!
   17. God Posted: January 15, 2014 at 03:41 AM (#4639248)
ugliest? dale sveum's wife. in a walk. holy bejeezus. a younger version of gene keady's wife sans suntan but worse features

At least she got to change her name to "Mrs. Sveum."
   18. God Posted: January 15, 2014 at 03:43 AM (#4639249)
Okay, when you do a Google Image Search for "Darlene Sveum," the first two results are just hilarious.
   19. Cooper Nielson Posted: January 15, 2014 at 03:51 AM (#4639252)
So, is Higuera (30.6 WAR) the second best Mexican-born player of all time? Looks like Fernando (37.4 WAR) has the #1 spot nailed down, due more to longevity than excellence, though you could make a peak argument for Higuera.

The only competition among pitchers seems to come from Esteban Loaiza (23.1 WAR) and Ismael Valdez (24.6 WAR). Yovanni Gallardo may enter the conversation someday, though his 2013 wasn't so good.

The best Mexican position player, from a very uninspiring bunch, appears to be Bobby Avila by WAR (27.6 WAR), Vinny Castilla (19.3 WAR) by counting stats.
   20. God Posted: January 15, 2014 at 04:11 AM (#4639255)
If we're doing this Hall-of-Merit-style, I imagine Bobby Avila would get a certain amount of war credit/Mexican League credit and would probably come out on top. He didn't become a regular until age 27 and he really did have an outstanding peak. I haven't looked up what dWAR thinks of his defense, but his defensive rep was outstanding. He would have been a Gold Glove winner if they'd existed in the early fifties.
   21. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: January 15, 2014 at 05:18 AM (#4639256)
This is a shame. The Brewers Veterans Committee needs to get on this.
   22. Cooper Nielson Posted: January 15, 2014 at 05:58 AM (#4639258)
If we're doing this Hall-of-Merit-style, I imagine Bobby Avila would get a certain amount of war credit/Mexican League credit and would probably come out on top. He didn't become a regular until age 27 and he really did have an outstanding peak. I haven't looked up what dWAR thinks of his defense, but his defensive rep was outstanding. He would have been a Gold Glove winner if they'd existed in the early fifties.

You're right that he had a very nice 5-year peak. I should learn more about Bobby Avila.

dWAR likes but doesn't love his defense. He has a net 4.6 for his career, peak of 2.0, and four years of 1.0 or better. That's well behind contemporaries and semi-contemporaries like Gil McDougald, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox and (of course) Bill Mazeroski.
   23. Jay Z Posted: January 15, 2014 at 09:20 AM (#4639294)
It's not as if the 1982 pennant winner isn't properly represented. Every single member of the Walk of Fame that played/managed for the Brewers, save Hank (who's there because of his previous connections to the city), was a part of the 1982 club (Fingers, Yount, Molitor, Cooper, Thomas, Gantner, Money, Kuenn). Everyone else in the walk was either a FO type, a broadcaster or dates back to the Braves days.

I know it's not a storied history, but surely they can find some room for somebody from some other era for a 44-year-old ballclub.


Seven of the top ten Brewers in plate appearances played for the 1982 Brewers. An eighth is still active (Rickie Weeks.) That leaves Geoff Jenkins and BJ Surhoff. Jenkins would be the most likely bet, unless you like a shorter term slugger like George Scott or Greg Vaughn. But then you can argue Oglivie over those two.
   24. zonk Posted: January 15, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4639310)
Did Jeromy Burnitz fall off the ballot or get elected? He's only about one season shy of Jenkins in the fluffy counting stats department for his time as a brewer, made at least one (maybe a couple?) all-star teams, and generally seemed to have the sort of stubble, beer gut, and softball power that seems appreciated by our neighbors to the north.

In fact - I see Greg Vaughn manages to stay on the ballot despite the fact that Burnitz was clearly superior
   25. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:02 AM (#4639317)
Ronnie Belliard: 0 votes (0%)
*throws chair into short right field, Belliard picks it up and flips it to first*
   26. flournoy Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4639324)
Someone explain to me why David Riske would even be on this ballot. He had a 5.40 ERA (78 ERA+) in 66 2/3 innings for the Brewers.
   27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:24 AM (#4639331)
Did Jeromy Burnitz fall off the ballot or get elected?


He must have fallen off the ballot in 2013. He was barely above the 5 percent cutoff in 2012.

   28. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:42 AM (#4639344)
ugliest? dale sveum's wife. in a walk.


Hmm, Jaha's wife was no beauty.
   29. WahooSam Posted: January 15, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4639482)
Without using much brain power or research (i.e., emulating most BBWAA members) I'd put in

Teddy Higuera
Joe Adcock
Pete Vuckovich
Mike Caldwell
Ted Simmons
Del Crandall
Dan Plesac
Larry Hisle
   30. GregD Posted: January 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4639486)
No Oglivie love!

Nine years of 124 OPS+ play and 3 All-Star games. And led the league in IBBs--respect The Fear!

I blame anti-logophilism
   31. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4639513)
The Brewer Walk of Fame is now a lot more interesting to me than the Cooperstown museum.
   32. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4639521)
Someone explain to me why David Riske would even be on this ballot. He had a 5.40 ERA (78 ERA+) in 66 2/3 innings for the Brewers.
Yeah, how is it that Bill Schroeder is on the ballot (and receiving votes!), but not Chuck Crim?

I'm not saying Crim should actually be elected, but there was nearly a half-decade during which Crim was one of the best middle relievers in baseball. Schroeder was a bad backup catcher who had a freakish half-season in 1987, when everyone was hitting home runs. He was Kelly Shoppach.
   33. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4639545)

Yeah, how is it that Bill Schroeder is on the ballot (and receiving votes!), but not Chuck Crim?


Candidates have to get 5 percent support to stay on the ballot. I wonder if, as guys are removed, such as Burnitz, they just keep adding lesser and lesser players to fill out the ballot.
   34. morineko Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4639551)
Someone explain to me why David Riske would even be on this ballot. He had a 5.40 ERA (78 ERA+) in 66 2/3 innings for the Brewers.


It must be like a mini-HOF, players who have been inactive for 4 years--Riske's last season was 2010. That also explains Gross, but doesn't explain McClung, whose last MLB season was 2009 and who's been kicking around the high minors since then--including in the Brewers org in 2012. Wha?
   35. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4639553)
On-field personnel who wore a Brewers or Braves uniform for a minimum of three seasons but have been retired from playing/managing roles for at least three seasons are eligible for consideration. To be elected, nominees must receive 75% of the vote from all ballots received. Individuals must receive at least 5% of the vote to remain eligible in future years.

It's strange that Wikipedia's entry hasn't been updated to include Johnny Logan's selection from last year, and the mlb.com page hasn't been updated for Logan or Burdette in 2010.
   36. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4639559)
Most WAR, Milwaukee Brewers, not in Brewers Walk of Fame:

Teddy Higuera 30.7
Jeff Cirillo 26.1
Ben Sheets 25.6
George Scott 22.5
Geoff Jenkins 21.9
Ben Ogilvie 21.5
Sixto Lezcano 18.9
Chris Bosio 18.6
Bill Wegman 17.7
Mike Caldwell 17.2

Most WAR, Milwaukee Braves, not in Brewers Walk of Fame"

Del Crandall 27.4
Joe Adcock 26.3
Bob Buhl 19.7
Joe Torre 19.3
   37. morineko Posted: January 15, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4639574)
Thanks, #35. Which still doesn't clear up why they're voting on a very much active player, but whatever. This entire mess is why the Brewers now have their Wall of Honor, I imagine.
   38. WahooSam Posted: January 15, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4639847)
Hmm, had not realized Ogilvie was that good for that long. I guess we should add him
   39. zonk Posted: January 15, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4639857)
Candidates have to get 5 percent support to stay on the ballot. I wonder if, as guys are removed, such as Burnitz, they just keep adding lesser and lesser players to fill out the ballot.


Yuniesky Betancourt now has something to look forward to.

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