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Friday, November 20, 2009

Henry, Yankees Catch Break as Soccer, Baseball Ban Video Replay

The left hand of Thierry Henry and the left-field foul line at Yankee Stadium have something in common: No instant replay.

France reached soccer’s World Cup finals on an overtime goal against Ireland that was set up by what replays showed was a ball illegally directed by Henry’s left hand onto the path of teammate William Gallas.

A month earlier and 3,500 miles (5,600 kilometers) to the west, the New York Yankees won a first-round game in Major League Baseball’s playoffs with help from a final-inning call on a fly ball down the left-field line by Joe Mauer of the Minnesota Twins that was called foul.

Video replays led even the umpire who called it, Phil Cuzzi, to say that the ruling should have been fair. The Yankees won 4-3 in the bottom of the 11th on their way to claiming a record-extending 27th World Series title.

Each case brought cries for the use of video replay to help determine the correct call. Both sports’ leaders said, ‘No.’

“Until I am no longer president, there will be no chance” for replays, said Sepp Blatter, the head of soccer’s governing body FIFA, which said yesterday that the France-Ireland result stood.

#### the Yankees. #### France.

Gamingboy Posted: November 20, 2009 at 04:25 PM | 11018 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   10901. Swedish Chef Posted: August 26, 2010 at 07:30 PM (#3626674)
As to why Ibra could be on the way out. The Barcelona hierarchy are thoroughly pissed off with his agent, particularly his suggestion the other week that Guardiola should be sacked and ######## about him sitting for Bojan when Ibra was coming back from injury and woefully short of fitness in the middle of an incredibly tight title race.

They are not just pissed off at the agent, he makes a convenient scapegoat before they are willing to burn the bridges. Though that is probably moot after the latest mudslinging.

I see media reports that Ibrahimovic has expressed displeasure at the favorable treatment Messi gets. Being surprised by that has to count as rather naive.
   10902. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 26, 2010 at 07:34 PM (#3626677)
He's also not been forgiven for being completely anonymous against Inter over two legs, which was the kind of game he was bought for.
   10903. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 26, 2010 at 07:34 PM (#3626678)
I see media reports that Ibrahimovic has expressed displeasure at the favorable treatment Messi gets.

I can't even imagine what perks Messi gets that the rest of the team doesn't get. Ibra seems like kinda dooshy.

edit: Birmingham 1 Rochdale 1 at the half. I know you all are on the edge of your seat along with the 1000 or so BC fans who showed up for this one.
   10904. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 26, 2010 at 07:40 PM (#3626683)
Probably along the same lines as Derek Jeter compared with Alex Rodriguez.
   10905. Baldrick Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:39 AM (#3627084)
Keeper of the year: Julio Cesar
Defender of the year: Maicon
Mid of the year: Sneijder
Forward of the year: Diego Milito

Stuff like this drives me absolutely crazy. What is the point in having individual awards if all you're going to do is give them to the best player in the position for the team that happened to win?

That's one of the reasons I was so happy to see Forlan get the Golden Ball at the World Cup. It is in fact possible for the best individual player to not be on the team that won.
   10906. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:16 AM (#3627099)
Mascherano --> Barca is done for €22 (£18) mio
   10907. Juan V Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:48 AM (#3627105)
Also, Diego going back to Germany. Wolfsburg, to be exact (as a knock-on effect, Misimovic could be had by someone. Schalke?)

In other news, the Arteta for England bandwagon seems to be getting big.
   10908. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM (#3627117)
There are some interesting Europa League groups. Man City and Juventus...there's a match I just hope will feature many injuries. (I kid, I kid! Maybe.) Villa is having a tough first couple of weeks to the season. Damn.
   10909. Juan V Posted: August 27, 2010 at 12:26 PM (#3627127)
Public service announcement: The Europa League groups

A
Juventus
Man City
Red Bull Salzburg
Lech Poznan

B
Atletico
Bayer Leverkusen
Rosenborg
Aris Salonica

C
Sporting CP
Lille
Levski Sofia
Gent

D
Villarreal
Club Brugge
Dinamo Zagreb
PAOK

E
AZ
Dynamo Kiev
BATE Borisov
Sherriff Tiraspol

F
CSKA Moscow
Palermo
Sparta Prague
Laussane Sport

G
Zenit St. Petersburg
Anderlecht
AEK Athens
Hajduk Split

H
Stuttgart
Getafe
Odense
Young Boys

I
PSV
Sampdoria
Metallist Kharkiv
Debrecen

J
Sevilla
PSG
Borussia Dortmund
Karpaty Lviv

K
Liverpool
Steaua Bucharest
Napoli
Utrecht

L
Porto
Besiktas
CSKA Sofia
Rapid Vienna

IMO, Group A wouldn't look out of place in the Champions League. Besides having the highest concentration of evil in any competition.
   10910. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 27, 2010 at 12:31 PM (#3627131)
I think I'd choose group B to watch if I could make such a choice.
   10911. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:46 PM (#3627642)
   10912. Spivey Posted: August 27, 2010 at 06:36 PM (#3627752)
I saw Fulham was trying out a 19 year old as starter at left back in the Carling cup, who played well. And it was basically their first team lineup, so maybe we'll see some new blood. The new striker they signed, Dembele, had a couple of goals as well. Those are basically the two positions they need to shore up to compete to the best of their abilities in the EPL. Well, that and Stockdale needs to play well if Schwarzer isn't going to play - he's done that so far though.
   10913. Elston Gunn Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:25 PM (#3627849)
I saw Fulham was trying out a 19 year old as starter at left back in the Carling cup, who played well. And it was basically their first team lineup, so maybe we'll see some new blood.

I'm pretty sure that's because Konchesky to Liverpool is almost imminent. With Konchesky onboard, we are sure to become an unstoppable force the likes of which the EPL has never seen.
   10914. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:30 PM (#3627856)
Fulham signed Carlos Salcido today, too. I have no idea if that's grounds for celebration or not.
   10915. sardonic Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:53 PM (#3627889)
Fulham signed Carlos Salcido today, too. I have no idea if that's grounds for celebration or not.


I think of our CONCACAF rivals like I think of the other members of the Pac 10. During conference play, I hope you all die in a fire, but outside of that, it's about repping the conference. Especially since CONCACAF is more like a mid-major, so it'd be like Utah cheering on TCU or whatever.
   10916. Spivey Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:56 PM (#3627899)
Fulham signed Carlos Salcido today, too. I have no idea if that's grounds for celebration or not.

I don't know how good he is, but I do hope he's cheeky. I like Konchesky alright, I had forgotten about him, I think mainly because he wasn't playing in the opening game and I missed the game last week. Now all Fulham need is a world class attacking midfielder.
   10917. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:10 PM (#3627926)
Better player than Konchesky IMO, Fulham get a bargain trading one for the other.
   10918. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:21 PM (#3627944)
Salcido looked very good getting forward during the World Cup. IIRC, he had a couple of memorable long-range shots that forced saves.

Anyone watching this Bayern Munich/Kaiserslautern game? Apparently Kaiserslautern will be fighting against relegation this year, yet they're beating Bayern 2-0. All of their fans in one side of the stadium have pulled out Kleenex and are waving it mockingly at Bayern. It's very funny. The coach is also wearing a hoody like Bill Belichick -- I don't think I've ever seen that before.
   10919. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:28 PM (#3627957)
   10920. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:50 PM (#3627999)
Shock. He will be President until he keels over; he has the smaller confederations bought and paid for so they will always vote for him.
   10921. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:50 PM (#3628182)
Big news breaking from #LFC: Raul Meireles has signed for £10.7m - full story on Guardian website in a few mins . .
   10922. Mattbert Posted: August 28, 2010 at 09:32 AM (#3628486)
That was quick. Good signing for Liverpool, I think. Hodgson's had a terrific window.
   10923. Phil Coorey. Posted: August 28, 2010 at 09:55 AM (#3628492)
West Ham might lose by 8 tonight - I'll be in bed for this one
   10924. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 28, 2010 at 10:12 AM (#3628494)
Now Konchesky has signed for £4 mio + Lauri Delle Valle
   10925. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM (#3628518)
Anyone watching this Bayern Munich/Kaiserslautern game? Apparently Kaiserslautern will be fighting against relegation this year, yet they're beating Bayern 2-0. All of their fans in one side of the stadium have pulled out Kleenex and are waving it mockingly at Bayern. It's very funny. The coach is also wearing a hoody like Bill Belichick -- I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Where do you get Bundesliga games? I'd love to catch a game now and then but don't know of any channels that show it. Same for Spain.

USSF is sniffing around Jurgy. I think it's inevitable.
   10926. Swedish Chef Posted: August 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM (#3628523)
Shock. He will be President until he keels over; he has the smaller confederations bought and paid for so they will always vote for him.

There is a chance they will keep voting in his corpse after he has keeled over.
   10927. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 28, 2010 at 01:13 PM (#3628534)
Spurs drew Arsenal in the Carling Cup. Now we'll find out with club as the best B team! Garreth Bale had better not even dress for that match.

There is a chance they will keep voting in his corpse after he has keeled over.

I'm all for testing your hypothesis immediately.
   10928. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: August 28, 2010 at 02:38 PM (#3628579)
Where do you get Bundesliga games? I'd love to catch a game now and then but don't know of any channels that show it. Same for Spain.

ESPN3 has Bundesliga games.
   10929. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 28, 2010 at 03:32 PM (#3628598)
Where do you get Bundesliga games?

Gol TV. For me it's offered through the Spanish package, which also includes ESPN Deportes and Fox Soccer Espanol.
   10930. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 28, 2010 at 03:43 PM (#3628604)
USSF is sniffing around Jurgy. I think it's inevitable.
That's an interesting move. Probably for the best to get some new blood involved, so I'm in favor.
   10931. The DA Baracus Hypothesis Posted: August 28, 2010 at 03:51 PM (#3628610)
I've got no problem with moving on from Bradley. And maybe Jurgen Klinsmann is the best available guy out there. But I don't get what makes him such an attractive candidate, granted I haven't been into soccer for that long. He was criticized pretty heavily it seems in his run up to the World Cup and he didn't last a full season at Bayern Munich. In between he had a good WC run with Germany of course, but it's not like everything he touches turns to roses. Is the main appeal that he is European, had some WC success and now lives in America? Pretty thin stuff if that's the case.
   10932. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: August 28, 2010 at 03:58 PM (#3628614)
Disgusting. Spurs lose to Wigan at home.
   10933. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: August 28, 2010 at 04:15 PM (#3628622)
A point for Blackpool, just 8 points to go.
   10934. Baldrick Posted: August 28, 2010 at 04:22 PM (#3628625)
Spurs are going to have a LOT of trouble in the league this year. Combine the hangover effect from the Champions League with the fact that they probably don't have one of the four best squads to begin with--and the chances of them qualifying again seem relatively low.

They didn't look terrible today, just a little bit off. But sometimes that's all it takes. It wasn't like Wigan got super lucky. 1-0 was a reasonably fair result.

Also, Walcott scores again. I got a lot of things wrong in the run up to the World Cup, but my argument that Walcott was worth taking is looking more and more right.

Speaking of England, poor Bobby Zamora is going to miss out again. That guy can't catch a break.
   10935. Mattbert Posted: August 28, 2010 at 04:44 PM (#3628645)
Harry's going to have to get acquainted with this squad rotation concept if Spurs want to finish above about 7th. Losing at home to Wigan is a ####### embarrassment. I don't care what game you played mid-week. Awful.
   10936. Spivey Posted: August 28, 2010 at 05:10 PM (#3628654)
Mattbert and Shooty:

Wiggy wiggy wiggy!!!
   10937. Baldrick Posted: August 28, 2010 at 05:15 PM (#3628656)
West Ham = not very good.
   10938. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 28, 2010 at 05:38 PM (#3628668)
That's an interesting move. Probably for the best to get some new blood involved, so I'm in favor.


Then you have to get an assistant who knows how to set a team out tactically / coach them. Klinsmann's only strength is managing people.

Also, Walcott scores again. I got a lot of things wrong in the run up to the World Cup, but my argument that Walcott was worth taking is looking more and more right.


The Walcott of the first few games is not the Walcott of last season. The Walcott in the run up to the world cup was seriously out of sorts and deservedly missed out.

West Ham = not very good.


Jonathan Spector = League 1 standard fullback
   10939. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 28, 2010 at 05:39 PM (#3628670)
Well, that sucked, but all credit to Wigan. They locked up that goal.
   10940. Baldrick Posted: August 28, 2010 at 05:43 PM (#3628671)
The Walcott of the first few games is not the Walcott of last season. The Walcott in the run up to the world cup was seriously out of sorts and deservedly missed out.

It's the same dude. Only a couple months removed. Unless you are an absolute believer in form, to the extent that true talent for soccer is basically non-existent, it's hard to make a case that Walcott right now is awesome but was terrible two months ago.

Besides, the case for Walcott was never that he should start, or that he was going to be dominant. It was that he offered a lot of potential, something that could be useful if nothing else was working. Given the terribleness of the England-Algeria game, it might not have been terrible to throw Walcott on and see if he could make something happen.

Jonathan Spector = League 1 standard fullback

I'd say low to mid Championship. Which is still not nearly good enough, of course. And to be fair to him, no one else in the West Ham back is looking very impressive either.
   10941. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: August 28, 2010 at 06:01 PM (#3628680)
West Ham = not very good.

There are enough bad teams this year that it might be a real toss-up as to who gets relegated.
   10942. Baldrick Posted: August 28, 2010 at 06:15 PM (#3628686)
There are enough bad teams this year that it might be a real toss-up as to who gets relegated.

As much as Blackpool has impressed so far, I still think they're pretty certain to go down. I'd also give West Brom pretty good odds. But I think that third spot could be pretty wide open. Going into the season I thought West Ham would be fine. They've got some good players and I think Grant is a good enough manager. But they've just looked *terrible* so far, so who knows.

The thing is that all the teams have some positives that make me think they can stay up. Of course, a good manager or a couple good players can only get you so far, especially if you pick up some key injuries.

It's shaping up to be a fascinating year at virtually every level, though. As long as Chelsea lose at some point and thus generate the impression of a title race.
   10943. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: August 28, 2010 at 06:28 PM (#3628693)
It's the same dude. Only a couple months removed. Unless you are an absolute believer in form, to the extent that true talent for soccer is basically non-existent, it's hard to make a case that Walcott right now is awesome but was terrible two months ago.


It absolutely is true for some players, usually strikers. Just as hitters can be very streaky so can strikers and because there are proportionally fewer games and chances to score it is really magnified.

I also don't think he was completely fit last summer, really needed the world cup off to get to 100%. He's also a young enough player where he the chance of making a sudden leap forward is very high. Particularly because of his speed; his brain has had to catch up with his athletic abilities.
   10944. sardonic Posted: August 28, 2010 at 07:46 PM (#3628733)
Just catching up with Blackburn-Arsenal on Tivo (thank you, Season Pass). Some early thoughts:

- Clichy was totally ball watching on the Blackburn equalizer. What a chump.

- Song has really impressed me with his energy, steel and poise on the ball in the middle of the ball.

- Fabregas has been pretty invisible, and a bit shaky in his few touches on the ball.

- Definitely interesting to watch Blackburn. It's ugly, like the A's 2 walks and a HR was ugly, but it's different at least.
   10945. Elston Gunn Posted: August 28, 2010 at 08:37 PM (#3628757)
That was quick. Good signing for Liverpool, I think. Hodgson's had a terrific window.

It's clear he's been seriously handcuffed by the ownership, and it's not his fault that Mascherano turned out to be a complete and utter ####, but unless he picks up another good striker, then we've still gone backwards again--though, I agree, it's a lot better than it could have been.

Also, my condolences to Spurs fans. There's nothing worse than losing 1-0 to Wigan, let me tell you.
   10946. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 28, 2010 at 08:54 PM (#3628765)
Then you have to get an assistant who knows how to set a team out tactically / coach them. Klinsmann's only strength is managing people.
My pet theory is that it is easier to find someone to manage tactics than personalities, so that's fine with me.

Going into the season I thought West Ham would be fine. They've got some good players and I think Grant is a good enough manager. But they've just looked *terrible* so far, so who knows.
The only good thing I have to say about the Hammers so far is that even if they were playing well--they aren't--the opening four games would probably have only produced four points at most anyway, so they haven't lost much ground yet.

But it could get real ugly real quick if things don't turn around.
   10947. frannyzoo Posted: August 28, 2010 at 09:01 PM (#3628769)
Spurs in a load of trouble. I see they have West Brom on the road 9/11 and Werder kicking off CL group stage play in Bremen. Those two games will be huge and anything worse than a win/tie in the combo will be as close to disaster as you can get in mid-September.
   10948. ian Posted: August 28, 2010 at 09:06 PM (#3628773)
Good deal for Milan to get Ibra for 24m euros. Pato/Ibra/Ronaldinho will be fun to watch
   10949. sardonic Posted: August 28, 2010 at 09:08 PM (#3628774)
Also, now having finished the game, Chamakh impressed me. Great movement and distribution, and still managed to find his way into the box when appropriate.
   10950. Mattbert Posted: August 28, 2010 at 09:27 PM (#3628779)
Also, my condolences to Spurs fans. There's nothing worse than losing 1-0 to Wigan, let me tell you.

For a team that's supposedly a very good attacking outfit, we sure do seem to get stumped when these shite sides put out their two banks of four and just sit there. The result today just reeks of the good ol' Tottenham entitlement of going into the game believing that simply turning up will be enough to collect the three points, thanks.
   10951. Elston Gunn Posted: August 29, 2010 at 12:08 AM (#3628879)
Meireles is official, except for the physical. Very happy with the signing. If Roy isn't insistent on Cole playing in the hole, then

------------------Reina-----------------
Johnson--Carra/Skrtel--Agger--Konchesky/Aurelio
-------------Poulsen--Meireles-----------
Kuyt/Maxi---------Gerrard------------Cole
------------------Torres---------------

actually looks a good starting XI, with (unbelievably) a little bit of creativity on the wings, especially if Maxi plays.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I think taking a big downgrade on the destroyer position (Masch to Poulsen) in order to get a significant upgrade on the more creative CM position (oft-injured Aquilani to Meireles) makes a lot of sense for a team not playing in the Champions League.
   10952. Spivey Posted: August 29, 2010 at 05:43 AM (#3629005)
I just love the way Nani plays. I think he may actually be the best player on Man U.

Edit: It's interesting, I don't really remember him from the WC. Though I do remember Portugal played Spain equally before losing late.
   10953. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 29, 2010 at 04:39 PM (#3629142)
Well, that wasn't a particularly impressive performance from Liverpool, but a win is a win. Excellent interplay between Torres and Kuyt for the lone Liverpool goal, and a definite golazo on Torres' finish.

actually looks a good starting XI, with (unbelievably) a little bit of creativity on the wings, especially if Maxi plays.


Is there any chance Hodgson forgoes both Poulsen and Lucas, and instead goes with Miereles and Gerrard sitting behind Cole? My fear there would be that both Gerrard and -- from what I've heard and read -- Miereles like to get forward, which could leave them vulnerable to counter attacks, but there's something to be said for getting your best XI on the field, regardless of roles or tactics. Or, to say it a little differently, fitting your tactics around your best XI.

Edit: It's interesting, I don't really remember him from the WC. Though I do remember Portugal played Spain equally before losing late.

He was hurt and didn't play in the WC, IIRC.

----------------------

I've read that MLS hasn't had particularly post-WC ratings, and weekends like this are part of the problem. I know these TV schedules are picked months in advance, but Colorado v Dallas (FSC) and DC United v Chivas (ESPN)? Yeesh. It would have been tough for them to have picked a more vanilla pairing.
   10954. Elston Gunn Posted: August 29, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3629155)

Is there any chance Hodgson forgoes both Poulsen and Lucas, and instead goes with Miereles and Gerrard sitting behind Cole? My fear there would be that both Gerrard and -- from what I've heard and read -- Miereles like to get forward, which could leave them vulnerable to counter attacks, but there's something to be said for getting your best XI on the field, regardless of roles or tactics. Or, to say it a little differently, fitting your tactics around your best XI.


I think there's a chance we'll see that in home games against lesser opponents, but I actually think the lineup I put up there is both the best XI and fits together better. I think Cole's better on the wing than in the hole (and we really need someone with a little flair on the wings), Gerrard offers different things in CM and SS, but I think it's basically a wash, and neither Poulsen or Jovanovic has really settled yet, but Poulsen has at least the slightly better history/reputation.
   10955. Spivey Posted: August 29, 2010 at 05:31 PM (#3629173)
Pantsil single handedly cost Fulham the win against Blackpool yesterday, I see now after watching the replay on FSC.

Everton pretty severely outplayed Aston Villa in a highly entertaining game. Just needed to finish better.
   10956. Mefisto Posted: August 29, 2010 at 06:51 PM (#3629217)
I'm not sure I've ever seen a player have a worse game than Pantsil did today. Absolute horror show.
   10957. puck Posted: August 29, 2010 at 06:52 PM (#3629219)
yeah, that had to be a frustrating game for Everton. Fellaini really flubbed it on that scoring play. In general, he looked a lot different from how he was last year; he's definitely not back on his "form." Arteta also did not seem to touch the ball for long stretches; not sure if that's because Villa keyed on him, making space for others, or what.
   10958. ASmitty Posted: August 29, 2010 at 06:56 PM (#3629222)
Everton have surrendered three goals in league play this year, and every single one was the result of a pretty egregious error. They haven't really been broken down for a goal yet, they've just suddenly given them away.
   10959. puck Posted: August 29, 2010 at 06:58 PM (#3629227)
I know these TV schedules are picked months in advance, but Colorado v Dallas (FSC) and DC United v Chivas (ESPN)? Yeesh. It would have been tough for them to have picked a more vanilla pairing.


It does look like they try to show every team at least once in a while. I believe Colorado is only on english-national tv twice, which is just as well since they are typically a boring team even when playing well.

While it's good, I think, that everyone gets on now and again, I have no idea how the networks and MLS chose matchups. They have stuff like Galaxy-Red Bulls, and the Galaxy are on a lot, but the most televised team (including Telefutura/Galavision airings) is the expansion team in Philly (16 of 30 games). Chivas and Chicago are up there (and it's not just because they have lots of games on the spanish-language stations). Neither team was expected to be that great.

OTOH Columbus and Salt Lake are on about half as often as those teams.
   10960. puck Posted: August 29, 2010 at 07:11 PM (#3629229)
ASmitty: yeah, they seem oddly non-composed considering they returned almost the entire roster.
   10961. puck Posted: August 29, 2010 at 07:18 PM (#3629233)
The announcers for this Milan game are pretty bad (with production problems making it even worse) but I'm glad Thiago Silva is getting a little love. He's overlooked, esp. on that team.
   10962. frannyzoo Posted: August 29, 2010 at 07:44 PM (#3629252)
I'm new to FSC, but the "color" guy on the Milan/Lecce match really should just speak Italian. I'd understand just as much of what he is saying (about 5%) and he wouldn't be nearly as cringe-inducing in doing so. Him and the scoreline have me going back to Fiorentina/Napoli on ESPN3.
   10963. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 29, 2010 at 11:59 PM (#3629372)
That was probably not a loss that City saw coming. Looks like fourth place will be up for grabs once more.
   10964. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: August 30, 2010 at 01:12 AM (#3629412)
Edit: It's interesting, I don't really remember him from the WC. Though I do remember Portugal played Spain equally before losing late.

He was hurt and didn't play in the WC, IIRC.
Nope, he started all 4 of Portugal's games. He only finished one game though, the loss to Spain, he was subbed in all three group games. He did nothing much to stand out in the World Cup. He's an OK player, but I think we overpaid.
   10965. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 30, 2010 at 01:27 AM (#3629430)
Sorry for the confusion -- that quote was supposed to be about Nani, AG.
   10966. JH (in DC) Posted: August 30, 2010 at 10:54 PM (#3630271)
Bob Bradley extended as US Coach through 2014.

Considering that the Guardian's reporting that he was no longer being considered for the Villa job, the timing makes sense. It does appear as though the US was waiting for Bradley, not the other way around.
   10967. Phil Plantier's Famous Toilet Seat Stance Posted: August 31, 2010 at 11:56 AM (#3630552)
http://www.matchfitusa.com/2010/08/concacaf-to-change-world-cup-qualifying.html

I know there had been talk of this before the WC, but it looks like CONCACAF is starting to go forward with a new mode of WC qualification.

So now (depending on how/if they use seeding) the USA and Mexico can conceivably qualify without ever having to face each other, but it also looks like the margin of error might be a bit thinner with one bad result having much more of an impact.
   10968. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 31, 2010 at 12:11 PM (#3630559)
Considering that the Guardian's reporting that he was no longer being considered for the Villa job, the timing makes sense. It does appear as though the US was waiting for Bradley, not the other way around.

I guess I'm ok with this. Bradley is perfectly cromulent. I can find plenty to ##### about, but I think we need to look at the things he does well, too. (Yes, I know I set up some easy snark there.)
   10969. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:21 PM (#3630594)
I'm not thrilled with re-appointing Bradley, not because I have any problems with him in particular (as Shooty said, he's perfectly cromulent) but mostly because as I said, I think a change does well for a team.
   10970. Juan V Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:38 PM (#3630609)
Some transfer deadline action:

Camoranesi to Stuttgart
Robinho drawing looks from Milan
Ryan Babel to Spurs
Besiktas making a bid for Robbie Keane
Hleb to Birmingham
Huntelaar to Schalke
   10971. Juan V Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:40 PM (#3630613)
Liverpool to use the Babel cash on Carlton Cole?
   10972. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:47 PM (#3630618)
Ryan Babel to Spurs

Huh.
   10973. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:49 PM (#3630621)
Liverpool to use the Babel cash on Carlton Cole?
Seems that Babel himself is going to West Ham as part of reducing Cole's (optimistic) fee.
   10974. Mefisto Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:49 PM (#3630622)
I'm another who's not wild about Bradley. He does some good things -- manages the team well, keeps them fit, gives lots of young players a chance. However, he's no tactician and he has inexplicable favorites among the players which leads him to give playing time to the likes of Bornstein and Findlay. And RB's point about fresh blood is also good.
   10975. Juan V Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:50 PM (#3630623)
Robinho to Milan is more than a look. He's undergoing a medical there as of now.

Also, I missed Ben Arfa to Newcastle.
   10976. Juan V Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:54 PM (#3630627)
Seems that Babel himself is going to West Ham as part of reducing Cole's (optimistic) fee.


From what I read, West Ham is looking to hijack the deal with Spurs (of course, both interpretations aren't mutually exclusive).
   10977. Jim Furtado Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:55 PM (#3630629)
As funny as it is to see a thread with 10975, 10976, 10977, comments, it's time to move to another thread. I'm open to a weekly off-topic flagged thread, assuming the conversation doesn't evolve into something NSFW. If someone would like to volunteer to post such a thread each week, email me. FYI, I plan on closing this thread tomorrow morning.
   10978. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: August 31, 2010 at 01:58 PM (#3630634)
I find Milan's strategy hilarious. Robinho, Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic all playing together - would that be the laziest forward line in history? Does Galliani think that lack of effort is the new market inefficiency? Why not sign someone who actually enjoys playing football?
   10979. The DA Baracus Hypothesis Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:26 PM (#3630669)
It does appear as though the US was waiting for Bradley, not the other way around.


No, it looks like Gulati once again tried to get Klinsmann on board and couldn't, so he went with plan B in Bradley. Again.

Put me in the camp of people who are a little disappointed with this because repeat managers historically do not do well and a fresh face was probably needed. You may be able to add some players to that list too.
   10980. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:31 PM (#3630677)
I'm going to miss this thread. I don't think we'll get another like it. Back to mosques and tea parties and other such sundry ########.
   10981. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:35 PM (#3630685)
The world of soccer supportingness is odd. For some reason Klaas-Jan Huntelaar is the one Dutch star I like. (probably because of the bicycle kicks) For some reason his transfer from AC Milan to Schalke fills me with joy. Why do I like Schalke? Why do I hate AC Milan? Well, the latter answer is easy - Silvio Berlusconi. But still, that news had an emotional effect on me, however small.
   10982. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:37 PM (#3630688)
I'm going to miss this thread. I don't think we'll get another like it. Back to mosques and tea parties and other such sundry ########.
I e-mailed Jim, so I will try to keep the thread's spirit alive. But I too will miss this one.

On the other hand, maybe like the US team, we need some new blood (in thread form).
   10983. Juan V Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:45 PM (#3630705)
:-(
   10984. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:51 PM (#3630715)
If there is a way to keep a place for us to chat about soccer that would be great. This is a fun thread and generally steers clear of some of the jackassery that exists elsewhere.
   10985. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3630719)
Why do I like Schalke? Why do I hate AC Milan?

I like Schalke, too. I also can't stand AC Milan or Juventus in the Italian league. I'm pretty sure Juventus is the most evil team in Europe.
   10986. Jim Furtado Posted: August 31, 2010 at 03:04 PM (#3630731)
I have no problem with some off-topic stuff (especially if it's sports related) as long as it's marked as such. Included in the off-season redesign will be a toggle to mark whether you want off-topic stuff in your Hot Topics.
   10987. Paul D(uda) Posted: August 31, 2010 at 03:18 PM (#3630748)
There's a soccer page in the forums if you guys wanted to keep this up.
   10988. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 31, 2010 at 03:24 PM (#3630755)
I talked to Jim, I'll be posting a bi-weekly soccer thread, so we can keep it up.
   10989. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 31, 2010 at 04:59 PM (#3630891)
Spurs rumors are flying. Van de Vaart and Claudio Lotito are the big names. What do I need to know about Claudio Lotito? I didn't catch any Lazio games last season.
   10990. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: August 31, 2010 at 06:29 PM (#3630980)
Cole and Parker apparently staying at West Ham.
   10991. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: August 31, 2010 at 06:40 PM (#3630993)
No new keeper for Arsenal. Not a lot of movement at the deadline and so, after all the rumors, the Spurs end up with Gallas, Sandro and a third keeper whose name I can't spell without looking it up.

edit: I spoke to soon. Reports out of Spain are that VDV is, in fact, on his way to Spurs.
   10992. Baldrick Posted: August 31, 2010 at 08:18 PM (#3631071)
Reading sell Gylfi Sigurdsson for $6 million. And now the question is not whether we can get promoted, but whether we're going to be relegated.

That is seriously a major kick in the junk. He was the best player we've had since Kevin Doyle and was a pretty essential part of any plans to make it out of the Championship. A really exciting young player. $6 million is nice and all, but when the only thing they've invested in is an old Ian Harte and a loan of Khizanishvili...it's going to be a long year.
   10993. sardonic Posted: August 31, 2010 at 08:24 PM (#3631075)
It's been a great thread, guys. I look forward to participating in RB's future soccer threads.

I've posted my thoughts on Bradley before, but to respond to an earlier post, if you thought Bradley had favorites, you don't clearly remember Bruce Arena II: Eddie Pope.

BB brought both Buddle and Gomez to South Africa despite not playing significant parts in qualifying, gave guys like JF Torres and Bedoya chances to break through into the first team, etc.

I guess the main cases for "favorites" would be Clark and Bornstein, but in the latter case, we didn't really have great alternatives (plus, BB was vindicated), and on resumes and form it's certainly not clear that Edu would have been better than Clark, even though I was advocating for Edu at the time.
   10994. Mefisto Posted: August 31, 2010 at 08:45 PM (#3631091)
I guess the main cases for "favorites" would be Clark and Bornstein, but in the latter case, we didn't really have great alternatives (plus, BB was vindicated), and on resumes and form it's certainly not clear that Edu would have been better than Clark, even though I was advocating for Edu at the time.


I wouldn't say Bradley was vindicated wrt Bornstein, but he did get lucky against Ghana. That's not really an excuse for starting any of Bornstein, Findlay or Clark.

Which is not to say that the US had good options; we aren't Spain or Brazil, obviously. Still, he could have started Edu for Clark; Buddle/Gomez for Findlay (or moved Dempsey up top and used Beasley on the left); and put Spector (fairly described above as a Championship caliber defender) on the left. The fact that he made 2 of those moves before the first half ended is pretty good evidence that he was wrong to begin with.
   10995. sardonic Posted: August 31, 2010 at 08:53 PM (#3631099)
Which is not to say that the US had good options; we aren't Spain or Brazil, obviously. Still, he could have started Edu for Clark; Buddle/Gomez for Findlay (or moved Dempsey up top and used Beasley on the left); and put Spector (fairly described above as a Championship caliber defender) on the left. The fact that he made 2 of those moves before the first half ended is pretty good evidence that he was wrong to begin with.


That's very post hoc though. At the time, I think the moves were defensible -- but we've covered that ground before.

Going forward, I do think he has demonstrated flexibility and ability to learn from mistakes. I don't think his decisions in the WC indicate that he somehow has some kind of structural inability to make good decisions or play favorites. I see it more as a couple defensible decisions that didn't go his way. It happens. I mean, how could Findley possibly be classified as evidence of favoritism when he basically wasn't even on the radar for the first 3/4 of the cycle?

On balance, he has made the right calls more often than not, made appropriate adjustments and avoided real boners of the Eddie Pope variety.

I mean, all that said, I would have preferred a change, just because the track record of 2 term coaches isn't that good, but overall I've gained an appreciation for BB as a coach over the past 4 years. I think he's underrated as a tactician -- at least his tactics are coherent, and his team is well trained and practiced in what their roles are. And his teams play hard and have avoided any major PR gaffes. Not sure what more we could have asked for over the past 4 years.
   10996. Spivey Posted: August 31, 2010 at 09:13 PM (#3631113)
Onyewu was hurt and our back line is poor, and the US got screwed out of a couple of goals by the refs. Nevertheless, we still won our group and went to extra time in the round of 16. I agree Clark should have been on the bench against Ghana, but it's not like the US underperformed.
   10997. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: August 31, 2010 at 09:21 PM (#3631117)
Asamoah Gyan to Sunderland. Him and Darren Bent is a pretty strong front line.
   10998. Mefisto Posted: August 31, 2010 at 10:21 PM (#3631150)
That's very post hoc though.


Not when some people, including me, were saying these things at the time.

Overall, though, I don't want to be too harsh on him. He's a solid coach. I just think that (a) the US should aspire to better; and (b) that a second go-round is difficult at best. That's especially true when the 2 best field players -- Dempsey and Donovan -- will be aging by 2014.
   10999. sardonic Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:09 AM (#3631330)
Not when some people, including me, were saying these things at the time.

Overall, though, I don't want to be too harsh on him. He's a solid coach. I just think that (a) the US should aspire to better; and (b) that a second go-round is difficult at best. That's especially true when the 2 best field players -- Dempsey and Donovan -- will be aging by 2014.


Oh, I was advocating that Edu start as well. But what I mean is that that decision not working out was something we only knew after the fact.

It's not hard to construct a good argument for Clark at the time:

1) Started through successful Confed Cup run
2) More caps/experience playing with the rest of the team
3) Getting as consistent club playing time at Bundesliga club by the end of the season. I mean, Edu had appeared in 15 games all season, mostly as a sub, with only a handful before the World Cup.

That's without even having to invoke things like BB being able to watch them practice, having a more intimate knowledge of what they are being asked to do on the field, spending much more time watching both players play, etc.

Sure, based on my subjective viewing of the small number of minutes each had played for the USMNT over the past two years or so, I wanted Edu to start too. But I still think that it's just as reasonable to start Clark. It just didn't work out, and turned out to be the wrong decision. But it's not one that I'm going to be too angry at him about. It's not like, say, moving A-Rod to eighth in the order or trading Kazmir for Zambrano, moves that are obviously wacky at the time. I'd say his decision is more analogous to the A's trading Hudson for Dan Meyer, Juan Cruz and Charles Thomas. Yeah, that move ended up sucking, but it could have just as easily turned out to be the Mark Mulder deal instead (Dan Haren, Kiko Calero, Daric Barton).

All of that is a very roundabout way of saying: I completely agree with your second point, and I think it's by far the strongest argument for changing coaches. Strong enough that in theory I would support a change, though I'm not convinced Klinsi is a significant upgrade.

As for 1), the question I guess is who you think would definitely get more out of the US. I mean, the bottom line is that we're not that talented. BB has:

- Led us to win CONCACAF qualifying
- Won the important 2007 Gold Cup
- Confed Cup runners up
- Won our World Cup group
- Eliminted in extra time at WC R16

Who could the US get who you would project to do a better job? Maybe Guus Hiddink, but his Russia side was knocked out by Slovenia in a home and home for the World Cup. Not that I don't think he'd be an upgrade, but no coach is going to be perfect.

The only coach I've also heard linked with the job is Klinsi, and I definitely don't think that is the missing piece to the US being, say, a favorite for the last 8.

So I guess in theory, I think it would probably have been a good idea to get a new, good coach, who could do a better job than BB in addition to just providing a fresh perspective, but in practice, I was always sort of at a loss as to who that person would be.
   11000. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: September 01, 2010 at 01:11 AM (#3631334)
Just to clarify -- are we (or, more accurately, soccer thread(s)) getting banished to the depths of the forums? Or is it just this thread that's going to get shut down in favor of shorter, weekly threads?
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